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Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 - an explanation?

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 Bob Kemp 22 Jun 2019

A very interesting and plausible account of what may have happened to this flight, which disappeared in March 2014:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/mh370-malaysia-airline...

In reply to Bob Kemp:

Interesting read, thanks for posting.

T.

 Baron Weasel 22 Jun 2019
In reply to Bob Kemp:

I believe Leo Houlding had a ticket booked on that flight, but for some reason had to book a later flight last minute.

In reply to Baron Weasel:

I think it was actually the MH17 flight that Leo had been booked on, not this one. Interesting read. 

 John2 22 Jun 2019
In reply to Bob Kemp:

As for the difficulty of backtracking to the accident site from the washed-up wreckage, this article makes an interesting point in that left-footed and right-footed trainers from the same container load washed up in different places because of the differences in their shapes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48464664

 Robert Durran 22 Jun 2019
In reply to John2:

That's amazing!

 wintertree 22 Jun 2019
In reply to Bob Kemp:

The aviation version of “The butler did it”.

 Billhook 25 Jun 2019
In reply to Bob Kemp:

Just another theory to add to the pot I'm afraid.

 TobyA 25 Jun 2019
In reply to Billhook:

Are you tempted by the hangar in Kazakhstan theory then?

To anyone who knows about planes - why is there a depressurisation control for the pilots? Do they have to depressurize manually as they descend?!

 Pedro50 25 Jun 2019
In reply to Bob Kemp:

Interesting. There was a C4 or C5 documentary recently which also concluded that pilot suicide was the most likely explanation. If the suicide could be covered up successfully then no shame would be visited on the family. 

 jkarran 25 Jun 2019
In reply to TobyA:

> To anyone who knows about planes - why is there a depressurisation control for the pilots? Do they have to depressurize manually as they descend?!

It's not so much a 'depressurisation control' as an environmental control which can be used to depressurise. Seems pedantic I know but you're there to manage the aircraft's systems, you need control of them. The degree to which they're automated and the default states... debatable.

Off the top of my head you might choose to shut down the pressurisation system to manually clear smoke, to prevent fumes from an engine/system problem entering the cabin or even to control a cabin/hold fire.

Thankfully what I fly has an on-off switch and not much more.

jk

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 dannyboy83 Global Crag Moderator 25 Jun 2019
In reply to TobyA:

Pressurisation is normally automatically controlled, but there is a manual override to increase/decrease cabin pressure by closing/opening the outflow valve. It's useful in the event the automatic system fails, removing smoke/attempting to inhibit a fire etc

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 Rob Parsons 25 Jun 2019
In reply to TobyA:

> Are you tempted by the hangar in Kazakhstan theory then?

This is a well-written article, but we should be clear that the theory that this was a deliberate act by the pilot has been well-aired from the very start.

OP Bob Kemp 25 Jun 2019
In reply to Billhook:

Just another theory with a better argued case and more compelling evidence than most, surely?

OP Bob Kemp 25 Jun 2019
In reply to Rob Parsons:

Of course. But this puts together the trail in a way that early theories of pilot suicide could not. 

 Billhook 26 Jun 2019
In reply to TobyA:

Definitely not!!

 Billhook 26 Jun 2019
In reply to Bob Kemp:

Bob I'm not sure that a 'well argued' case is necessarily the most compelling.  Just as a brief example, if the pilot was intent on suicide using his plane (as at least one other pilot has done!) why spend that long flying the plane around the ocean?  

As for the military radar?  Maybe the military did not want to disclose they did track it, simply because it would have disclosed the effectiveness or otherwise of their defence radar.

The author also claims the passengers all passed away peacefully.  I'm not sure that actually happens as simple as that.  I certainly know that pilots who suffer from hypoxia can and do act in irrational ways  and not as the author suggests perhaps showing his lack of knowledge.

As Rob P has said there have been other 'theories' involving the pilot and a similar number of stories to contradict those theories.

OP Bob Kemp 26 Jun 2019
In reply to Billhook:

I know there are other theories but I haven't seen a more convincing one that's more clearly laid out and evidenced yet. 

As for William Langewiesche's lack of knowledge, check out his bio... 

 Rob Exile Ward 26 Jun 2019
In reply to Billhook:

I suspect that the line about passengers passing away peacefully was possibly put there for the comfort of the relatives - the reality may have been horribly different.

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 Donotello 26 Jun 2019
In reply to Bob Kemp:

Reading this on a trans Atlantic flight to Oregon. 

Really interesting. Girlfriend isn’t enjoying me sharing the facts and theories with her though. 

OP Bob Kemp 26 Jun 2019
In reply to Rob Exile Ward:

How quickly people lose consciousness through hypoxia depends on what height the aircraft is at. Could be under thirty seconds. 

 Neil Williams 26 Jun 2019
In reply to Bob Kemp:

> How quickly people lose consciousness through hypoxia depends on what height the aircraft is at. Could be under thirty seconds. 

It can also return when they get low enough, though obviously his plan seems to have been to stay up long enough for death.

Pan Ron 26 Jun 2019
In reply to Rob Exile Ward:

Hypoxia is quite lovely actually. Euphoric way to go if its quick onset.

youtube.com/watch?v=UN3W4d-5RPo&

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 Rob Exile Ward 26 Jun 2019
In reply to Pan Ron:

I imagine the pleasure would be slightly offset by the sight of a panic-stricken co-pilot trying to batter down the cockpit door.

 TobyA 26 Jun 2019
In reply to Bob Kemp:

> As for William Langewiesche's lack of knowledge, check out his bio... 

Did you click on it on this article and read any of his other pieces for the Atlantic? I just read his piece on the sinking of the Estonia. I think I've read it before a long time ago, but it is both gripping and really quite traumatic. I've spent a fair amount of time on Baltic ferries, and I still feel a bit horrible an hour after finishing reading it.

 Donotello 26 Jun 2019
In reply to Bob Kemp:

One of many questions, but I’ll start with this. 

If they found on his on his flight simulator that he had made that journey before, then why is there any question or theory of any outside actor whatsoever, or his intent.

If I had a driving simulator for a hobby and I made 100’s of routes around the U.K., then subsequently they find bits of my car floating in the sea below the cliffs Of Dover, and upon checking my car simulator I’d driven my car off the cliffs of Dover, there would me absolutely no question that it was an intentional suicidal act, let alone any nefarious outside actor. 

Seems like an open and close case. 

In reply to Donotello:

> If they found on his on his flight simulator that he had made that journey before, then why is there any question or theory of any outside actor whatsoever, or his intent.

Not only was it found on his flight simulator, it was the only 'flight' they found that didn't end in a landing.

One of my colleagues was called in very soon after the disappearance, to assist Inmarsat in trying to extract a geolocation from the data they had. He suggested any doppler data they had might prove helpful... I don't think Inmarsat have ever publicly acknowledged the support provided. [edit: looks like they did: https://www.aerosociety.com/Assets/Docs/Events/Conferences/2016/813/Keynote... ]

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OP Bob Kemp 26 Jun 2019
In reply to TobyA:

I read the Libya B-2 raid piece. He's really good at combining fairly technical detail with a gripping narrative.

In reply to Donotello:

I read somewhere that the pilot had no engagements planned for after the flight/crash. His diary was blank from that day on.

Pan Ron 27 Jun 2019
In reply to Rob Exile Ward:

> I imagine the pleasure would be slightly offset by the sight of a panic-stricken co-pilot trying to batter down the cockpit door.

This wasn't Germanwings. If anything he'd be reclined against a wall in the galley with only a few giggling or oblivious passengers to see. Very few, and usually no, passengers in a 777 can even see the cockpit door - it's no A320

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