In reply to KellyKettle: > (In reply to Chambers)
> It's not gutless per se; but it is disingenuous,
You might want to argue that I'm being disingenuous, but I'm afraid you'd need some evidence to support your assertion. I think that you mean that you disagree with my position, rather than that you think I'm being insincere about it...
> Professional soldiers are not just killing machines they serve a complex role which increasingly focuses on de-escalating violence rather than perpetuating it.
Agreed. Indeed, many soldiers never even see open warfare and are, rather, involved in the support and maintenance of those who actually do the killing. But that doesn't escape the fact that the armed forces exist, ultimately, as a means by which one state can forcibly coerce another. And what that boils down to is killing, or the threat of killing. If you remove the actual killing from the equation then there is nothing done by soldiers that couldn't be done equally as well - if not better - by civilians. Your assertion that there is an increasing emphasis on de-escalation is a flimsy one. It's fair, perhaps, to say that there haven't been any major conflicts on the level of WW2 since erm...lets see...WW2 but that's not saying much at all. 70 years is not that long. Certainly not long enough to be identifying anything that could be described as any kind of major change in the way in which war is conducted historically. The threat of global war has not gone away. In fact, as the almost continual spread of conflict between nation states hots up, it's actually more likely to happen now than anytime since the fall of state capitalism in Russia.
> We pay those men and women not a lot, to risk their very lives and to put their souls at hazard in order to protect us... You may not agree with the politics behind how they're deployed*, but that's an issue you have with our democratically elected leaders.
Well, first of all I'd want to question your use of language. 'We'? Who is this 'we' that you speak of? Certainly not me. Governments pay for armies, on behalf of the ruling class that they represent. And how is war hazardous to souls? I thought souls were indestructible? (Actually, I'm just being lighthearted there. There are no souls!) On the subject of democratically elected leaders I'll have much to say. But for now it's enough to point out that governments don't concern themselves with democracy overmuch, and that I don't blame governments for war. Wars are caused by the economic competition between nation states that is inherent in capitalism and one government is much the same as another. Changing leaders - and who needs those? - changes precisely nothing.
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> I don't believe that we should be glorifying and exalting soldiers or combat**, that leads down a dangerous road... But they at least deserve our respect for doing a job which is difficult, dangerous and unfortunately still necessary.
Several friends of mine are members or ex-members of the armed forces. One of my climbing partners has spent many hours telling me of the horrors that he experienced in Iraq. No question about his bravery and courage. But you'll never convince me that the invasion of other countries is necessary. Anymore than you'll convince that capitalism, which is the cause of modern war, is necessary.
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> *It is always worth remembering that warfare between great powers is largely a thing of the past, the primary danger to peace and stability in the world today is failed or failing states, hence the value of intervening in seemingly far away countries.
I think I've already covered this. Politicians and other snake-oil vendors liked to argue that WW1 was going to be the war to end wars...Those who seek to control us are fond of attempting to convince us that things have changed and capitalism is somehow different now. It isn't true. The current skirmishes may yet be seen, in years to come, as the harbinger of yet another spree of global destruction in the name of profit.
> **I have always felt uneasy with the name of "Help for Heroes" for this reason, Heroism is a rare thing and one worth celebrating using that word as a blanket term referring to all returning service personnel rather than the more neutral wording characteristic of say the Royal British Legion has always struck me as the thin end of the wedge, as pertains to glorifying warfare... I can't really fault the aims and objectives of the charity though.
Hard to fault the aims and objectives of any organisation that sets out to alleviate suffering. Problem is none of them address the roots causes of the problems they set out to alleviate.