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Could we do worse than having the Right Honourable Gentleman for the 18th Century?
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In reply to The Lemming:
> Could we do worse than having the Right Honourable Gentleman for the 18th Century?
We could, but not by much.
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In reply to The Lemming:
that depends on if everbody would be happy living in the 18th Century
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In reply to The Lemming:
I think it is a bit unkind to suggest Jacob Tree-Frog is from the 18th century. I think he might believe it is about 1910 and certainly would like the UK to be in 1910.
Even though he is odd I think any MP looking to become the PM needs to keep a very close eye on him.
Dave
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In reply to The Lemming:
> Could we do worse than having the Right Honourable Gentleman for the 18th Century?
We could do worse. At least Mogg looks and sounds like a statesman and seems to mean what he says (however objectionable that may sometimes be).
Boris, I wouldn’t trust as far as I could throw him. A sociopath in the mould of Donald whose only real conviction is in his own genius and suitability for power.
Davis? With his party and country so divided a new PM would have to have a modicum of charisma and presence to unite and lead. That’s not him.
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In reply to Stichtplate:
> We could do worse. At least Mogg looks and sounds like a statesman and seems to mean what he says (however objectionable that may sometimes be).
Looking and sounding like a statesman, when ones opinions and apparent intentions are as damaging as JRM's, is a drawback rather than an advantage, as it unfortunately means rather more idiots will take him seriously
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In reply to john arran:
> Looking and sounding like a statesman, when ones opinions and apparent intentions are as damaging as JRM's, is a drawback rather than an advantage, as it unfortunately means rather more idiots will take him seriously
I’d agree but the OP asked if we could do worse. I’d think Boris would be far worse.
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In reply to The Lemming:
Why the blood letting? The last thing we need is more instability.
Theresa all the way!
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In reply to Stichtplate:
> We could do worse. At least Mogg looks and sounds like a statesman and seems to mean what he says (however objectionable that may sometimes be).
Mogg is good at looking after his hedge fund chums, letting them know they may be trouble caused by Brexit and maybe move to Ireland, while telling the rest of us there's no need to worry.
> Boris, I wouldn’t trust as far as I could throw him. A sociopath in the mould of Donald whose only real conviction is in his own genius and suitability for power.
Him and Gove.
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In reply to Stichtplate:
I can only assume that the dislikes are from people who think Mogg is the absolute worst the Tories could choose as their next leader. Am I wrong in thinking that the Conservatives contain far viler characters among their ranks?
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In reply to The Lemming:
> Could we do worse than having the Right Honourable Gentleman for the 18th Century?
We could do considerably worse. Do you actually follow politics?
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In reply to The Lemming:
He’s never been a minister, so a jump to PM isn’t a good idea. Indeed he is popular because he is able to stay ideologically pure - simply because he’s never had to try and run a department, never mind a government. We all had pure ideology when we were 17, but then work, marriage, kids, life in general gets in the way and lo and behold all those simple certainties have suddenly become much more complicated.
Put Mogg in charge of the Universal credit system and see how his ideological purity stands up.
I like the way he articulates the issues but I don’t think he could lead the country.
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In reply to Tringa:
> I think it is a bit unkind to suggest Jacob Tree-Frog is from the 18th century. I think he might believe it is about 1910 and certainly would like the UK to be in 1910.
Last month he was on about how Peel made a disastrous mistake with the repeal of the Corn Laws. So that would put his origin at some time before 1846.
Maybe the Brigadier will march into parliament and arrest him.
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In reply to cander:
> He’s never been a minister, so a jump to PM isn’t a good idea.
I'm not making a case for Mogg here but neither Tony Blair nor David Cameron had been mimisters before they were PM so it's certainly not without recent precedent.
> We all had pure ideology when we were 17, but then work, marriage, kids, life in general gets in the way and lo and behold all those simple certainties have suddenly become much more complicated.
Mogg has those things too, perhaps not like yours or mine but then I doubt many prime ministers life experiences were either. And on the point of ideological purity as a 17 year old, has Corbyn moved on from then? He also has no ministerial experience but could be the next PM.
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In reply to pec:
> We could do considerably worse. Do you actually follow politics?
I sure do and I'm hoping that the Tories don't elect a racist swivel eyed loon.
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In reply to The Lemming:
> I sure do and I'm hoping that the Tories don't elect a racist swivel eyed loon.
So why do you ask so many stupid questions without telling us what you think yourself and which racist swivel eyed loon did you have in mind?
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In reply to The Lemming:
> I sure do and I'm hoping that the Tories don't elect a racist swivel eyed loon.
Don't worry. They can't. Corbyn's not a Tory.
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In reply to The Lemming:
By far the worst is the one who is keeping a low profile. Michael Gove, the man with a face you could never tire of punching.
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In reply to The Lemming:
> I sure do and I'm hoping that the Tories don't elect a racist swivel eyed loon.
Blimey, that’s going to cut it down a bit.
jcm
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In reply to Presley Whippet:
> By far the worst is the one who is keeping a low profile. Michael Gove, the man with a face you could never tire of punching.
Keep an eye on Jeremy *unt.
In reply to pec:
> I'm not making a case for Mogg here but neither Tony Blair nor David Cameron had been mimisters before they were PM so it's certainly not without recent precedent.
And those two both did well didn’t they ...
> Mogg has those things too, perhaps not like yours or mine but then I doubt many prime ministers life experiences were either. And on the point of ideological purity as a 17 year old, has Corbyn moved on from then? He also has no ministerial experience but could be the next PM.
I was perhaps not very elegantly trying to point out Moggs ideology hasn’t actually come up against the real world where to get things done you have to make compromises, he doesn’t have to compromise his ideology because he’s not responsible for delivering Brexit (or anything else in government for that matter).
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In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:
> Last month he was on about how Peel made a disastrous mistake with the repeal of the Corn Laws. So that would put his origin at some time before 1846.
Yes, he would possibly have been just about left-wing enough to be in Wellington's government.
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In reply to cander:
> And those two both did well didn’t they ...
They both had successes and failures, much like all prime ministers really. The issue is do you think they did a worse job for having no previous ministerial experience when compared with PMs that did like Thatcher, Major, Brown and May for example.
> I was perhaps not very elegantly trying to point out Moggs ideology hasn’t actually come up against the real world where to get things done you have to make compromises, he doesn’t have to compromise his ideology because he’s not responsible for delivering Brexit (or anything else in government for that matter).
But you could say that about many previous PMs and you could certainly say it about Corbyn, but anyway as I said originally, I'm not actually advocating JRM as the next PM. I think its quite unlikely May would lose a vote of confidence in the present circumstances so all this speculation is a bit moot.
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In reply to pec:
> So why do you ask so many stupid questions without telling us what you think yourself
The Lemming's usual defence of his OPs and his near-total lack of putting forward an early opinion, is that he is "trying to start a discussion"
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In reply to Blue Straggler:
Which being fair, is what happens.
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In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:
Aren't the corn laws the epitome of the Conservative party? Peel did something for the good of the nation and the economy, rather than rich land owning Tories, so they tore themselves apart in recrimination and vengance.
Johnson, anyone?
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In reply to The Lemming: Ah we see the usual Socialist nonsense, knocking that which they fail to understand whilst pretending support for the loony left whose swivel eyed leadership actually support failed states.
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In reply to toad:
It’s an interesting betting market, I must say. I don’t think Johnson is value for money; he’s been so terrible as FS that even the Tories have gone off him. On the other hand it’s hard to imagine who else it might be. There’s seldom been a bigger talent vacuum.Maybe Javid?
jcm
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In reply to Stone Idle:
> Ah we see the usual Socialist nonsense, knocking that which they fail to understand whilst pretending support for the loony left whose swivel eyed leadership actually support failed states.
Yeah, it's a shame that the current Labour leadership is doing nothing much right now to oppose the government's attempts to turn the UK into a failed state.
In reply to The Lemming:
I had a discussion the other day about who would I chose for PM out of Mogg, Gove and Johnson.
To my surprise, I picked Johnson. Perhaps when he finally gets what he's always wanted, he'll just sit in the corner and shut the f*** up.
The other two would both be horrific. Gove is a straight up sociopath, JRM's views on every issue are utterly despicable, and they're both scarily efficient and cunning. Either would successfully turn the UK into a nastier place than it is now. By constrast, Johnson is just a privileged, ruthless shitbag who thinks he's cleverer than he is.
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In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
Presumably in normal times Johnson wouldn't stand a chance of getting the MP's support but these aren't normal times. Having never set foot in a Conservative club I've no idea whether Johnson the unreformed Bullingdon toff outweighs Johnson the 'fu*k business!' opportunist hitched to the runaway brexit train whether he likes it or not. I can't imagine either Johnson holding much appeal but then I'll never be asked to vote for him.
Conservative leadership races often throw up some real shockers (May being curiously well qualified and relatively palatable), I wouldn't be at all surprised if they inexplicably elected some awful ghoul like Redwood ahead of someone like Javid.
jk
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In reply to jkarran:
> Conservative leadership races often throw up some real shockers (May being curiously well qualified and relatively palatable), I wouldn't be at all surprised if they inexplicably elected some awful ghoul like Redwood ahead of someone like Javid or Jarvis.
If Redwood becomes PM, I will learn the Welsh national anthem, and that's a promise.
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In reply to Trevers:
> I had a discussion the other day about who would I chose for PM out of Mogg, Gove and Johnson.
That's like voting in the mayoral election in Gotham and choosing between the Riddler, the Penguin and the Mad Hatter.
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In reply to The Lemming:
Guy is a complete twunt. Hilarious that the 'who exactly?' think he's capable, total impasse on political dynamism in this country, europe, the west, to think that such an intellectual bantam weight should be running the country. But then again look at the current P.M. And he sounds and behaves like an out of touch politician should. Brexit, coz the country would be better if fraudulent tosspots like me had more control on workers rights and health and safety.
Sir Henry of Rawlinson End, innit.
My money would be on Rory Stewart. From an identical mold but totally different outlook.
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