In reply to mark reeves:
I don't understand you, even though I posted at one in the morning it's perfectly obvious I was saying what some rumours were, and I didn't say they were my opinion (apart from what I think about F5s). I stated the fact "This rumour says such and such" and excluded nothing.
I didn't say you weren't doing any other work and didn't say you were only doing such routes and didn't say such routes you had done were only for your clients.
For something to be slanderous it has to cause offence (look at me, I looked it up!).
But then you say "so what" if the rumour I brought to your attention was true. So which is it, water off a duck's back, or outright defamtory slander?
Pond's Forge, Sheffield Arena, and Don Valley Stadium were built for the 1990(?) World Student games, but they weren't just built for the World Student games.
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Subject: FAO: the tool who calls himself PAZ
Date: 11 Jun 2007 18:38:28 +0100
Hi Paz
Firstly you strike me as a bit a of a tool, and an ill informed one at that!
Secondly if I had bolted the route for my clients then what exactly is the problem with it. Everybody has to start climbing somewhere and why not on an easy and neglect slab. For the record though I equipped the easy routes for moderate grade climbers to come and enjoy. I did not retro bolt an exsisting route, I choose a piece of rock previously unrecorded, so it was my decision on the style I wished to equip that as.
Most easy routes in the quarries were first ascended by E6 leaders as solo's, as such a VS climber would undoubtable have an epic or even worse on these lines. If you actually climbed any of the routes I bolted you would realise that
they are only just sports routes, most have two bolts, although seeing their popularity I have encourage others to add bolts to them.
As for your comment "..to climb them in the rain" you have obvious never climbed on slate, especially in the rain! As a professional mountaineering instructor I would actually not have my clients leading in the rain, it is just
way too risky, bolted or otherwise!
I personally took great exception to you post, it being aimed directly at me.
Would you have said that to my face in a pub or at a crag? If you had you might well have found out how angry you made me.
Seeing that you are not man enough to apologise for your gross mis-statement and slanderous accusations I can only wish you the best of luck in your climbing and social skills, they probably both need some work!
Everyone is entitled to an opinion with regards to the work going on in the quarries, you seemed to totally missed the point of the debate, in the fact that in climbing a new route it is up to the person who does the FA what style
it is. Simply turning it into a personal attack just shows me what kind of a person you are.
Mark
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I'm not posting the above to get sympathy, but there was an undercurrent of `sniping and backbiting' mentioned earlier in the thread which I'd just like to show goes both ways before anyone claims or presumes a `holier than thou' stance.
In any case I'm sure Mark felt better after writing it. I can't even be arsed to respond to it's point they're that lame, except to say that if you've been inspired to put down your drill Mark then I wish you well with your climbing too.
So can someone please help me out here and explain to me exactly what I should be apologising for? Were my other posts even worse?