/ Rockfax Android App - Beta Testers Required
Friday 5th April Update
Feedback so far has been good, and I've got some work to be getting on with around fixing some crashes. I'm going to suspend allowing new beta testers for the moment although feel free to download the beta and try our the free crags that are available. I will however be releasing a new version to the open beta stream in the next week or so at which point I will allow people another chance to try all the content.
Thank you to everyone so far that has provided feedback and tried the app.
The Rockfax Android App is in the final stages of preparation and we are looking for beta testers to use the app on their Android devices.
Android version 4.4 or higher
The app is available as an open early access version via the Google Play store. To download the app simply open your Android device, go to the Google Play store and search "Rockfax".
From here you can download sample crags and use all the various features within the app. If you would like to access all Rockfax content for the beta period please comment in this thread and we give your UKC account full access. You will then need to login using your UKC details within the app either when prompted when first opened or through Home->MyAccount.
Please note that file sizes for crags are listed and can be quite large. A downloading without wifi connection dialog isn't currently present so please keep this is mind.
3rd party content such as SMC crags are not accessible in this public beta.
The beta version will lock after 60 days.
We welcome all general feedback. Simply using the app and all it's features will provide us will valuable information. Crash reports are collected automatically but any additional information on reproducing crashes would be especially useful. This information is best sent to martin[at]ukclimbing[dot]com.
Hi Martin - I'd like to access evrything for the beta period please!
I'd like to test the app during the beta period
Hi, exciting to see its here, please could you add me to the access list
Hi. I'd be keen to test drive the Android app.
I'd love to beta test the app!
Sign me up!
I've set you guys as beta users. I'm trying to keep replies to confirm this to a minimum. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread closely today so if you ask for access assume you'll get it swiftly after that. You'll need to close and reopen the app for those permissions to be picked up.
Could I be added to the access list as well please?
Please can you add me to the access list.
Me as well please
I'd like to join the list too if possible!
I'd be interested too.
Happy to help out with the beta testing. Thanks.
I'm keen too. Cheers!
I've been waiting for years!
No doubt I'm being dumb, but I can't find it in the Google play store (including in the current list of early access apps).
Ah, actually I've just looked at it looks like by default beta is only available in the UK, I'll need to tweak that. Are you searching from another country? I'll add some European countries just now.
Yes - Cyprus. Cheers.
That's updated, although it will maybe take a while to show for you.
Please may I be added to the list. I installed the app but it said my UKC wasn't active, I assume this is because I haven't granted access yet?
I would be interested in trying out the beta version.
Yeah, you've not been granted access. You'll need to reopen the app for these changes to kick in.
If you have any issues logging in/getting access please let me know.
Very interested please add me,
Hi Martin, would love to help out with the app, cheers.
> Ah, actually I've just looked at it looks like by default beta is only available in the UK, I'll need to tweak that. Are you searching from another country? I'll add some European countries just now.
Works OK in Saudi Arabia!
Happy to help, please sign me up.
I'd like to be a beta tester please.
Hi Martin, I'd love to help test the app & access all the content. Thanks.
Can I please be added to the beta testers list, thanks!
All above are now added as testers. You'll need to reopen your app for changes to kick in. Please let me know if you have issues.
I'd like to try it too - please can you add me to the list.
I'd be happy to have a look Martin.
Could you add me to the list , cheers!
I'd certainly test this with my own special level of OCD and pinickityness please.
Me too please. I'm good at breaking things.
In reply to:
Me me me! I'd love to have a play. I've been waiting for this for ages!
Ooh, sign me up please.
I've only had a little play so far and download 1 crag but I'd just like to say, this is a really really good app! Especially love the highlighting of the different routes
I'm would like to give it a try, could you add me to the list?
I'm interested too please!
Please can I have access.
All above not have access. Again, if you've logged in already just restart the app for the beta permissions to kick in.
I'm glad you like it BattyMilk.
I'm interested in testing it too. Can I please be given the full access?
I would like access too.
I'd happily be a tester.
me as well please
Could I be given access aswell please?
Would be great to give this a try, could you add me to the list?
Hi Martin. So far, so good! Well done.
I'll have a proper play tonight.
All the above are now testers. If you've already signed into the app simply restart for the changes to kick in.
Me too please
Could be added to the access list as well, please?
Also keen to beta test please.
Also keen, thanks Martin!
In kalymnos for 2 weeks so the kaly one would be good please
That's everyone added as testers above.
Feedback so far has been great. We really appreciate it.
> In kalymnos for 2 weeks so the kaly one would be good please
Murd, I hope you get to use the app out there but please don't rely on it entirely. We may stop the beta with little notice.
Can you add me to the list, please?
Thanks Martin, waiting to board the plane! have a guide book as well.
Hi Martin, please could you add me to the list also. Thanks, Alex.
Yes please. Add me to the list
Could you please add me to the beta as well? Thanks!
Could you add me please
Yes please!! keen to be added on
I would love to help you Beta Test it, i had a number of crags on my iphone before switching to android and losing them all!
All of the above are now testers.
Again, any feedback welcome either in here or by email.
i am in .... please
I'd be very keen to access the whole content!
and me likewise
I would also like to test this if possible, cheers
Could you please add me to the beta as well? Thanks
Happy to join the merry crew, many hands make light work...
Hi Martin, having an issue where I try downloading certain crags, I managed to download maeshafn but any other wall says I have to have an active rockfax account, am I missing something or have I not been given beta access?
I'm logged into my UKc account.
I'll try it, Martin.
I'm keen to test it out too.
I've checked your account and you should have access. Can you try restarting the app and see if that makes a difference?
There seems to be a login issue that has affected some devices, I wonder if you're also experiencing this. Can you tell me what device and version of Android you're running? One way to verify if your having this issue is go to "My Account", click logout, now click "Connect to UKClimbing Logbooks" and login again. If your username doesn't display on the right hand side of that button then part of the login process has failed.
I have a fix for it already I think although I've only tested it on an emulator. If you can verify that you are affected I'll invite you to a closed test and you can try and see if this fix works.
Hi, can i get beta access please?
I'd love to test it all down here in Dorset!
I'd like to test the app during the beta period
All of the above now have beta access. You'll need to restart the app for that to kick in.
Hi Martin, would love to test as well please.
Well once I found my way to "west country climbs" it was a simple 1 click on the blue blob to start the process to download them all.
Then the devil in me found out that it was 1 on the red X click to delete them all again. Perhaps this ought to be behind an "are you sure" - that was a bit over-easy to remove. And sods law says that fat fingers will remove the set you are looking at, when you have no mobile coverage 8-)
Sorry, about that. We're still trying to finilise the UI and text around there a bit. This includes the dialog to warn about data usage and also the dialog to uninstall.
It'll be in the final version
Me too please!
Keen to get involved in the beta for this!
Hi Martin, I'd like access for testing please!
Sign me up, please.
Is like to do it
Hi Martin, keen to help with the beta.
I'd like to sign up too please
keen to try
I'd like to sign up too please!
I would love to have access to the beta and help you guys test!
As others, I would appreciate access to the App to be able to test and provide feedback.
I would also like to test the app.
Hello, I'd like to test the app, please! Loved it on my old iPhone, gutted when I learned it wasn't on android after I switched!
Yes please Martin.
I'd like to test the app please.
I would also like to test the app please
I'd love to try out the app during the beta period (and beyond!). Sign me up
Could you add me to the testing crew as well?
Hi Martin. Can you count me in please.
Hi Martin, I would like to test the app please
I'd like to test it as well please.
All of the above should now have access. Restart the app so it kicks in.
I would be keen to help.
Beta access for me too please. :D
Am keen to be involved too
I've been looking forward to this for a while! I'd be more than happy to beta test it.
Sign me up please
Happy to help!
Sign me up please
Hello! I'd definitely be keen for beta testing, thanks!
I'd love to help!
Been looking forward to the Android Version for a while, sign me up for the BETA please
Please sign me up, I would like to help with the beta.
I would be keen to access it for the test period.
cheers , George
Please can you add me to the access list.
All of the above are now marked as testers. Please restart the app for the beta access to kick in.
Just used it for 10 mins, very impressed intuitive and simple good design
Where do you want feedback
Route 36 @Kilnsey does not work
Late to the party but can I be added to the list please!
I'd be interested in testing this! Really excited the Android app is finally on its way.
Keen to give it a go as well
Yeah buddy, im in to help
Any chance I could be added for the testing period?
I'd like to be on the list also please
Can you add me please?
Hi, I would like to test the app
I'd like to test the app.
Looks like you've got lots of people but would love to test out the new app too if possible!
Please could I be added to the list to test out the Android version of your app
Add me in if you're still looking for testers
I'd like to beta test the app.
All of the above are not marked as testers. Please restart app to let the changes kick in.
Please could I beta test the Android version of your app.
Yes please Martin, I'm keen to test it out
Hi Martin, if I haven't missed the boat I'd also be keen to test the app. Many thanks!
Would love to help test this! Count me in
Would love to beta test the app
Would love access for the beta period, thank you!
keen to be added to the list to help if possible!
Down load ready for action
Very keen for this!
I'd be interested in this. Thanks!
All sorted. Restart the app for permissions to kick in.
I'm planning on releasing a new build to the test stream in the next few days that will hopefully fix a few crashes.
Could you let me know if this App is still planning on using the previously proposed subscription model?
Ive diwnloaded and am looking for GR and where to park. cant copy crag locations.
v happy to help.
Happy to test the beta app as well,
Would love to have access to the beta testing
All the best James
Hi I've downloaded the app - could I get access to download the South Wales sport? Its allowing me to download Austria. Many thanks Helen
could I please have access to the crags? Thanks
Hi Martin - I'd like to access everything for the beta period please!
Yes, the app will be subscription based although we've discussed the pricing point at length. The app will be £4 a month, cancel at any time, or £36 for the year (working out at £3 a month).
I think that's pretty good value for what you get really (access to all the Rockfax back catalog and other publishers that publish via the Rockfax app). We intend to continually add and update crags at no additional expense. The old one off purchase system would basically require us to resell packages to users that contained updates.
One thing we are also exploring is being able to offer the app version of the guide when you buy the paper guide via the Rockfax store. Now we have more control over our content delivery on the app and with the ability to link users to books this will hopefully be possible, although we need to overhaul the Rockfax site first, so that is a bit off.
I hope this answers your question.
That sounds like good value. Please could you add me to the beta testers.
One comment i'd have is to enable crag download over mobile connection as well - some people have large download limits nowadays. Perhaps have it toggable with it defaulted to off.
Does this mean that there will be no backdating of purchases?
For example i own paper copies of many of the rockfax guide books, i also purchased a number of them on my iPhone before switching to Android about a year ago. Now i would need to buy them all again or pay a subscription on my Android?
In terms of feedback, adding background downloading feature would be nice (or a download manager so i could queue up downloads). I have my phone connected to WiFi, plugged in to a charger, but need to keep tapping it to stop it going to sleep and pausing the RockFax download.
If you purchased on iOS then you will be able to access what you purchased on an iOS device. We will also make sure that iOS legacy purchases will be accessible on Android if you do/have switched. This feature won't be immediately available upon release but we'll try deliver this feature a few months after the Android version goes live. Regarding the paper guides previously purchased there is no way to verify who purchased what guide and no mechanism like a QR code within the book to redeem the app version, so this isn't an option for us unfortunately.
Background downloading should be working, although this and installing crags seem to be the main area around where crashes are happening. I'm currently reworking some of this to fix crashes but this will work in release. You can send all feedback to me via email, martin[at]ukclimbing[dot]com.
You can download currently over data. I do it all the time seeing as I have a 20Gb limit each month. The warning I put in the OP was purely because areas can be around 500Mb in size! Some of the images in the app are very large in order to get the detail we wanted.
I'm willing to test it on Android, can you please add me to the list.
I'd be very interested to have a go at Beta testing
Yes please, I'd like to test the beta, however I'm working n the Netherlands and can't see the download.
Many thanks for the detailed response and well done for listening to the feedback on the price point for the subscription.
"One thing we are also exploring is being able to offer the app version of the guide when you buy the paper guide via the Rockfax store. Now we have more control over our content delivery on the app and with the ability to link users to books this will hopefully be possible, although we need to overhaul the Rockfax site first, so that is a bit off."
With regards to the above does that mean you will only have access to the crags in the app that you have purchased the guide for? If so does that mean that you will be able to purchase individual crags on the app and keep them rather than subscribe to all?
I along with a few others I imagine would like to be able to purchase a crag / local area rather than subscribe to the whole world!
Thanks again and good luck with it
> With regards to the above does that mean you will only have access to the crags in the app that you have purchased the guide for? If so does that mean that you will be able to purchase individual crags on the app and keep them rather than subscribe to all?
Yes, but this would be for future guidebook purchases. There are a number of things those we have to consider for this though and quite a bit of work though in order to get this going. This isn't going to be something that will happen in the short term and isn't a definite.
For the moment it will be a subscribe and get everything model. There are many reasons why we decided on this as the model to go with. Books and apps are very different products. Once a book is published there is no work required to keep it up and functioning, people just buy a book that is that. Apps require constant maintenance so there is an ongoing cost associated with that and a subscription model helps support this.
The other reason is we went with subscription is it means there is no need to resell updates to users. When we publish the latest edition, or new guide everyone will just be able to download this at no extra cost. In the book world of course you'd need to buy the latest edition. We can also include more routes and more obscure crags because we are not limited by page count.
There are other reasons around people's perception of digital purchases. I think the main thing is hitting the right price for the subscription model to be appealing either in addition to owning guidebooks or as a stand alone product. Hopefully we'll achieve that.
I'd like to avoid discussion about the subscription though in this thread as it's really intended for technical feedback, but I hope that helps you understand our reasonings.
Please give me access too, Martin.
A bit of an update....
Feedback so far has been good, and I've got some work to be getting on with around fixing some crashes. I'm going to suspend allowing new beta testers for the moment. I will however be releasing a new version to the open beta stream in the next week or so at which point I will allow people another chance to try all the content.
Thank you to everyone so far for trying the app and providing feedback.
Much appreciated thank you for taking the time. Especially when i imagine you have a lot of feedback to get through!
Hi, I have ebeen using the app on android version 9 and it's awesome! Have noticed no issues so far however would love to use it for some crags near me in Bristol. I don't need access to all but could you please enable access to cheddar gorge or Avon? I am going to snowdonia in a few weeks so any up there would be useful. This way I can try out the GPS and see how accurate the info is!
Downloaded from play store .Can't, at the moment download anything .Can't link with rockfax account?
I'd like to test the app during the beta period
Hi Martin, sounds great! Could you add me to the beta testers too please?
Very keen to be included in the beta. Thanks.
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