/ Rockfax Android App - Beta Testers Required

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Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019

Friday 5th April Update

Feedback so far has been good, and I've got some work to be getting on with around fixing some crashes. I'm going to suspend allowing new beta testers for the moment although feel free to download the beta and try our the free crags that are available. I will however be releasing a new version to the open beta stream in the next week or so at which point I will allow people another chance to try all the content.

Thank you to everyone so far that has provided feedback and tried the app.


The Rockfax Android App is in the final stages of preparation and we are looking for beta testers to use the app on their Android devices. 

System Requirements
Android version 4.4 or higher

The app is available as an open early access version via the Google Play store. To download the app simply open your Android device, go to the Google Play store and search "Rockfax". 

From here you can download sample crags and use all the various features within the app. If you would like to access all Rockfax content for the beta period please comment in this thread and we give your UKC account full access. You will then need to login using your UKC details within the app either when prompted when first opened or through Home->MyAccount.

Please note that file sizes for crags are listed and can be quite large. A downloading without wifi connection dialog isn't currently present so please keep this is mind.

3rd party content such as SMC crags are not accessible in this public beta.
The beta version will lock after 60 days.

Feedback
We welcome all general feedback. Simply using the app and all it's features will provide us will valuable information. Crash reports are collected automatically but any additional information on reproducing crashes would be especially useful. This information is best sent to martin[at]ukclimbing[dot]com.

Thanks,
Martin

steve taylor - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin - I'd like to access evrything for the beta period please!

Cheers

Steve

farakalian - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin

I'd like to test the app during the beta period

Regards,

kfv - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi, exciting to see its here, please could you add me to the access list

outdoors.nick on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi. I'd be keen to test drive the Android app.

Cheers

mop449 - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin,

I'd love to beta test the app!

Thanks,

Danny

remus - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Sign me up!

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi all,

I've set you guys as beta users. I'm trying to keep replies to confirm this to a minimum. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread closely today so if you ask for access assume you'll get it swiftly after that. You'll need to close and reopen the app for those permissions to be picked up.

Cheers,
Martin

Post edited at 09:06
NeilHowarth - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin

Could I be added to the access list as well please?

Thanks

Fiona Reid - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Please can you add me to the access list.

Thank you

Fiona

Post edited at 09:17
antdav - on 02 Apr 2019

Me as well please

stevevans5 on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, 

I'd like to join the list too if possible!

Thanks

drolex - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to stevevans5:

I'd be interested too.

Cheers

Stegosaur on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Happy to help out with the beta testing. Thanks.

BattyMilk - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Stegosaur:

I'm keen too. Cheers!

tasp05 - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Yes please!

I've been waiting for years!


Cheers

Tom

Andy Gamisou - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

No doubt I'm being dumb, but I can't find it in the Google play store (including in the current list of early access apps).

Alex Riley on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Andy Gamisou:

Yes please

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Andy Gamisou:

Ah, actually I've just looked at it looks like by default beta is only available in the UK, I'll need to tweak that. Are you searching from another country? I'll add some European countries just now.

Andy Gamisou - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Yes - Cyprus.  Cheers.

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Andy Gamisou:

That's updated, although it will maybe take a while to show for you.

roof - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin

Please may I be added to the list. I installed the app but it said my UKC wasn't active, I assume this is because I haven't granted access yet?

Cheers
Pete

jbrom - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I would be interested in trying out the beta version.

Thanks

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to roof:

Hi Roof,

Yeah, you've not been granted access. You'll need to reopen the app for these changes to kick in.

If you have any issues logging in/getting access please let me know.

Cheers,
Martin

acrkirby - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi, 

Very interested please add me,

Thanks,

Alasdair

cambromo - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, would love to help out with the app, cheers.

steve taylor - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

> Ah, actually I've just looked at it looks like by default beta is only available in the UK, I'll need to tweak that. Are you searching from another country? I'll add some European countries just now.

Works OK in Saudi Arabia!

Bergen1backer - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, 

Happy to help, please sign me up. 

Cheers

alimckay on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd like to be a beta tester please.

Jezz0r on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, I'd love to help test the app & access all the content. Thanks.

John1458 on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Can I please be added to the beta testers list, thanks! 

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

All above are now added as testers. You'll need to reopen your app for changes to kick in. Please let me know if you have issues.

Cheers,
Martin

daviemoston on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd like to try it too - please can you add me to the list.

roof - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Cheers Martin!

kristian - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd be happy to have a look Martin.

Dandan - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin,

Could you add me to the list , cheers!

kermit_uk - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd certainly test this with my own special level of OCD and pinickityness please.

Phil Anderson on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Me too please

Big Lee - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Me too please. I'm good at breaking things. 

Dan Arkle - on 02 Apr 2019

In reply to:

Me me me! I'd love to have a play. I've been waiting for this for ages! 

Luke90 on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Ooh, sign me up please.

BattyMilk - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I've only had a little play so far and download 1 crag but I'd just like to say, this is a really really good app! Especially love the highlighting of the different routes

MikeSP - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin,

I'm would like to give it a try, could you add me to the list?

Mike

e.ms355 - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'm interested too please! 

Hooo - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Please can I have access.

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Hooo:

All above not have access. Again, if you've logged in already just restart the app for the beta permissions to kick in.

I'm glad you like it BattyMilk.

asteclaru on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'm interested in testing it too. Can I please be given the full access?

Thank you

Post edited at 12:23
SDM on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Yes please.

LankyBeta123 - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin,

I would like access too.

Many thanks

Jack

annak on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd happily be a tester.

Mick r - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

me as well please

Simon1037 - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin,

Could I be given access aswell please?

Cheers.

mattphillips81 on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin,

Would be great to give this a try, could you add me to the list?

Thanks

Matt

steve taylor - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin. So far, so good! Well done.

I'll have a proper play tonight.

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

All the above are now testers. If you've already signed into the app simply restart for the changes to kick in.

Cheers,
Martin

Lordym - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Me too please

Thanks

Marl

CarlosTT - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin,

Could be added to the access list as well, please?

Regards,

Carlos

spenser - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Also keen to beta test please.

cjb1992 - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Also keen, thanks Martin!

Murd on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

In kalymnos for 2 weeks so the kaly one would be good please 

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Murd:

That's everyone added as testers above.

Feedback so far has been great. We really appreciate it.

> In kalymnos for 2 weeks so the kaly one would be good please 

Murd, I hope you get to use the app out there but please don't rely on it entirely. We may stop the beta with little notice.

j_nelson - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Can you add me to the list, please?

Thanks.

Murd on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Thanks Martin, waiting to board the plane! have a guide book as well. 

Rockchild - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, please could you add me to the list also. Thanks, Alex.

Pingboy - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Yes please. Add me to the list

Sam Hockley - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Could you please add me to the beta as well? Thanks! 

Post edited at 14:47
Rosie Hoare - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Could you add me please  

enotsnad - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Yes please!! keen to be added on

AshleyLong - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I would love to help you Beta Test it, i had a number of crags on my iphone before switching to android and losing them all! 

Thanks,

Ash

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

All of the above are now testers.

Again, any feedback welcome either in here or by email.

Cheers,
Martin

lithos on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

i am in ....  please

Niall_H - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd be very keen to access the whole content!

Snyggapa - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

and me likewise

Thanks

Wanderlust - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I would also like to test this if possible, cheers

ClimbingAlex - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Yes please

ggaa - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin,

Could you please add me to the beta as well? Thanks

Nibs - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Happy to join the merry crew, many hands make light work...

cambromo - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, having an issue where I try downloading certain crags, I managed to download maeshafn but any other wall says I have to have an active rockfax account, am I missing something or have I not been given beta access?

I'm logged into my UKc account.

Cheers.

IanMcC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'll try it, Martin.

c357 on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'm keen to test it out too.

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to cambromo:

Hi,

I've checked your account and you should have access. Can you try restarting the app and see if that makes a difference?

There seems to be a login issue that has affected some devices, I wonder if you're also experiencing this. Can you tell me what device and version of Android you're running? One way to verify if your having this issue is go to "My Account", click logout, now click "Connect to UKClimbing Logbooks" and login again. If your username doesn't display on the right hand side of that button then part of the login process has failed.

I have a fix for it already I think although I've only tested it on an emulator. If you can verify that you are affected I'll invite you to a closed test and you can try and see if this fix works.

Cheers,

Martin
 

Post edited at 20:39
IsaacA - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi, can i get beta access please?

L Weivo - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd love to test it all down here in Dorset!

helenwilliamson - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin

I'd like to test the app during the beta period

Thanks, Helen

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

All of the above now have beta access. You'll need to restart the app for that to kick in.

Cheers,
Martin

oaty - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, would love to test as well please.

Thanks!

Snyggapa - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Well once I found my way to "west country climbs" it was a simple 1 click on the blue blob to start the process to download them all.

Then the devil in me found out that it was 1 on the red X click to delete them all again. Perhaps this ought to be behind an "are you sure" - that was a bit over-easy to remove. And sods law says that fat fingers will remove the set you are looking at, when you have no mobile coverage 8-)

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Snyggapa:

Hi, 

Sorry, about that. We're still trying to finilise the UI and text around there a bit. This includes the dialog to warn about data usage and also the dialog to uninstall.

It'll be in the final version  

Cheers,

Martin

AndyRoss on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Me too please!

L IWBMATTKYT on 02 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin

Keen to get involved in the beta for this!

Cheers

Si dH - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, I'd like access for testing please!

Thanks 

Simon 

DredStripe - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Sign me up, please. 

griffer boy - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Is like to do it

Carter - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, keen to help with the beta.

Thanks

Liam

berzagalega on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd like to sign up too please

Ewan Russell - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

keen to try

JezzaCat - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd like to sign up too please!

L Adam Dowse - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I would love to have access to the beta and help you guys test!

Adam

Route Adjuster on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

As others, I would appreciate access to the App to be able to test and provide feedback.

Goran Glumac - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I would also like to test the app.

Cheers,

Goran

umbungowine - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hello, I'd like to test the app, please! Loved it on my old iPhone, gutted when I learned it wasn't on android after I switched!

Paul Hy - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Yes please Martin.

adamsriches on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd like to test  the app please.

dinodinosaur - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I would also like to test the app please 

Charloam - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd love to try out the app during the beta period (and beyond!). Sign me up

Thanks

Charlie

The_Boy_ODwyer on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Could you add me to the testing crew as well?

Thanks!

Oceanrower - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to The_Boy_ODwyer:

Hi Martin. Can you count me in please.

thomastb - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, I would like to test the app please 

RocKalina - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi, 

I'd like to test it as well please. 

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Sorry for the later response. It's a busy day at this end.

All of the above should now have access. Restart the app so it kicks in.

Cheers,
Martin

James Oswald - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I would be keen to help.

Thanks

James

druss on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Beta access for me too please.  :D

philluu on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Am keen to be involved too

Fergus Moore on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin,

I've been looking forward to this for a while! I'd be more than happy to beta test it.

Thanks,

Fergus

Sandstone Stickman - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Fergus Moore:

Sign me up please

rosso - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Happy to help!
Sign me up please

danieljames123 - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hello!  I'd definitely be keen for beta testing, thanks!

RoryBryson - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, 

I'd love to help! 

Thanks,

Rory 

AntC - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Been looking forward to the Android Version for a while, sign me up for the BETA please

Thanks

Jwewheeler - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi,

Please sign me up, I would like to help with the beta.

Thanks

george.rich - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I would be keen to access it for the test period.

cheers , George 

nathanjmasters - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Please can you add me to the access list.

Thank you

Nathan

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi folks,

All of the above are now marked as testers. Please restart the app for the beta access to kick in.

Cheers,

Martin

griffer boy - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Just used it for 10 mins, very impressed   intuitive and simple  good design

Where do you want feedback

Route 36 @Kilnsey does not work

stemill - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Late to the party but can I be added to the list please!

Ta

DoMakeSayThink - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd be interested in testing this! Really excited the Android app is finally on its way.

chickencurry60 - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Keen to give it a go as well

Northernladlovesgravy - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Yeah buddy, im in to help 

thom_jenkinson - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin,

Any chance I could be added for the testing period?

Thanks!

James Worthington - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd like to be on the list also please

Dazzle on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Can you add me please?

alasdaircavaye - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi, I would like to test the app

Alasdair 

arasham - on 03 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi 

I'd like to test the app.

Steve 

andymorris17 - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin,

Looks like you've got lots of people but would love to test out the new app too if possible!

Cheers,

Andy

Post edited at 01:03
GeorgeR on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

hi Martin

Please could I be added to the list to test out the Android version of your app

cheers

George

NigelHurst - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Add me in if you're still looking for testers

cheers

Mi|es on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd like to beta test the app. 

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

All of the above are not marked as testers. Please restart app to let the changes kick in.

Cheers,

Martin

Ushba - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Me too

Sam Huguet - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin

Please could I beta test the Android version of your app. 

Thanks! 

Sam

dom94 on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Yes please Martin, I'm keen to test it out

my - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, if I haven't missed the boat I'd also be keen to test the app. Many thanks!

BrizzleChris - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Would love to help test this! Count me in

Samworkman1989 - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Would love to beta test the app

RobertHalls - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Afternoon Martin,

Would love access for the beta period, thank you!

Rob

lewisrichardson - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

keen to be added to the list to help if possible!

Marti999 - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Down load ready for action

Cheers Marti

myrddinmuse - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Very keen for this!

j616s on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd be interested in this. Thanks!

Alex@home - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Me too please

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

All sorted. Restart the app for permissions to kick in.

I'm planning on releasing a new build to the test stream in the next few days that will hopefully fix a few crashes.

Cheers,
Martin

Macca_7 - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hello

Could you let me know if this App is still planning on using the previously proposed subscription model?

Many Thanks

Macca

Chuckbhoy - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Ive diwnloaded and am looking for GR and where to park.  cant copy crag locations.

v happy to help.

dmurray on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Happy to test the beta app as well,

Best,

Dan 

rockjedi12345 - on 04 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Would love to have access to the beta testing 

All the best James 

helin - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi I've downloaded the app - could I get access to download the South Wales sport? Its allowing me to download Austria. Many thanks Helen 

Elodie - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

could I please have access to the crags? Thanks

Cannonn - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin - I'd like to access everything for the beta period please!

Cheers

Nick

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Macca_7:

Hi Macca,

Yes, the app will be subscription based although we've discussed the pricing point at length. The app will be £4 a month, cancel at any time, or £36 for the year (working out at £3 a month). 

I think that's pretty good value for what you get really (access to all the Rockfax back catalog and other publishers that publish via the Rockfax app). We intend to continually add and update crags at no additional expense. The old one off purchase system would basically require us to resell packages to users that contained updates.

One thing we are also exploring is being able to offer the app version of the guide when you buy the paper guide via the Rockfax store. Now we have more control over our content delivery on the app and with the ability to link users to books this will hopefully be possible, although we need to overhaul the Rockfax site first, so that is a bit off.

I hope this answers your question.

Cheers,
Martin

ewanjp - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

That sounds like good value. Please could you add me to the beta testers.

One comment i'd have is to enable crag download over mobile connection as well - some people have large download limits nowadays. Perhaps have it toggable with it defaulted to off.

AshleyLong - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Does this mean that there will be no backdating of purchases?

For example i own paper copies of many of the rockfax guide books, i also purchased a number of them on my iPhone before switching to Android about a year ago. Now i would need to buy them all again or pay a subscription on my Android? 

In terms of feedback, adding background downloading feature would be nice (or a download manager so i could queue up downloads). I have my phone connected to WiFi, plugged in to a charger, but need to keep tapping it to stop it going to sleep and pausing the RockFax download.

Post edited at 09:25
Martin McKenna - UKC - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to AshleyLong:

@Ashley,
If you purchased on iOS then you will be able to access what you purchased on an iOS device. We will also make sure that iOS legacy purchases will be accessible on Android if you do/have switched. This feature won't be immediately available upon release but we'll try deliver this feature a few months after the Android version goes live. Regarding the paper guides previously purchased there is no way to verify who purchased what guide and no mechanism like a QR code within the book to redeem the app version, so this isn't an option for us unfortunately.

Background downloading should be working, although this and installing crags seem to be the main area around where crashes are happening. I'm currently reworking some of this to fix crashes but this will work in release. You can send all feedback to me via email, martin[at]ukclimbing[dot]com.

@ewan
You can download currently over data. I do it all the time seeing as I have a 20Gb limit each month. The warning I put in the OP was purely because areas can be around 500Mb in size! Some of the images in the app are very large in order to get the detail we wanted.

Cheers,

Martin

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R_Shents - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'm willing to test it on Android, can you please add me to the list.

Cheers 

The Reaper on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

I'd be  very interested  to have a go at Beta testing

Thanks

carnie - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Yes please

fraserbarrett - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Yes please, I'd like to test the beta, however I'm working n the Netherlands and can't see the download.

Post edited at 11:49
Macca_7 - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin

Many thanks for the detailed response and well done for listening to the feedback on the price point for the subscription.

"One thing we are also exploring is being able to offer the app version of the guide when you buy the paper guide via the Rockfax store. Now we have more control over our content delivery on the app and with the ability to link users to books this will hopefully be possible, although we need to overhaul the Rockfax site first, so that is a bit off."

With regards to the above does that mean you will only have access to the crags in the app that you have purchased the guide for? If so does that mean that you will be able to purchase individual crags on the app and keep them rather than subscribe to all?

I along with a few others I imagine would like to be able to purchase a crag / local area rather than subscribe to the whole world!

Thanks again and good luck with it

Macca 

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Macca_7:

> With regards to the above does that mean you will only have access to the crags in the app that you have purchased the guide for? If so does that mean that you will be able to purchase individual crags on the app and keep them rather than subscribe to all?

Yes, but this would be for future guidebook purchases. There are a number of things those we have to consider for this though and quite a bit of work though in order to get this going. This isn't going to be something that will happen in the short term and isn't a definite. 

For the moment it will be a subscribe and get everything model. There are many reasons why we decided on this as the model to go with. Books and apps are very different products. Once a book is published there is no work required to keep it up and functioning, people just buy a book that is that. Apps require constant maintenance so there is an ongoing cost associated with that and a subscription model helps support this.

The other reason is we went with subscription is it means there is no need to resell updates to users. When we publish the latest edition, or new guide everyone will just be able to download this at no extra cost. In the book world of course you'd need to buy the latest edition. We can also include more routes and more obscure crags because we are not limited by page count.

There are other reasons around people's perception of digital purchases. I think the main thing is hitting the right price for the subscription model to be appealing either in addition to owning guidebooks or as a stand alone product. Hopefully we'll achieve that.

I'd like to avoid discussion about the subscription though in this thread as it's really intended for technical feedback, but I hope that helps you understand our reasonings.

Cheers,
Martin

Just Another Dave - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Please give me access too,  Martin. 

Thanks,  Dave. 

Martin McKenna - UKC - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hello folks,

A bit of an update....

Feedback so far has been good, and I've got some work to be getting on with around fixing some crashes. I'm going to suspend allowing new beta testers for the moment. I will however be releasing a new version to the open beta stream in the next week or so at which point I will allow people another chance to try all the content.

Thank you to everyone so far for trying the app and providing feedback. 

Cheers,
Martin

Macca_7 - on 05 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Much appreciated thank you for taking the time. Especially when i imagine you have a lot of feedback to get through!

L BJW - on 06 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi, I have ebeen using the app on android version 9 and it's awesome! Have noticed no issues so far however would love to use it for some crags near me in Bristol. I don't need access to all but could you please enable access to cheddar gorge or Avon? I am going to snowdonia in a few weeks so any up there would be useful. This way I can try out the GPS and see how accurate the info is! 

Paul Platt on 06 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin,

Downloaded from play store .Can't, at the moment download anything .Can't link with rockfax account?

Paul

Denby on 07 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin

I'd like to test the app during the beta period

Cheers,

Mark

Simon McCabe - on 07 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Hi Martin, sounds great! Could you add me to the beta testers too please? 

Best wishes

Simon

gerstlauer - on 08 Apr 2019
In reply to Martin McKenna - UKC:

Very keen to be included in the beta. Thanks.


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