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One of the things we want to do in the new Rockfax Slate guide is to add full first names to the first ascents. We have managed a lot but there is a very diverse history of climbers who have been active on the Slate and we haven't yet got any where near getting all the names.

Below is a list of names with initials where we aren't sure of the first name of the climber. They are grouped in areas around the quarry where they have relevant FAs. They are also listed in places with the full name of the climber they were with. I will make a second post with the names in alphabetical order.

Any help much appreciated. Apologies for the length of the posts.

Bus Stop Quarry
P.Doyle - climbs with Craig Smith
B.Smith
B.Wedley
T.Muller
A.Whittall
J.Banks
L.Naylor
D.Clark
M.Davies
D.Kirton
G.Jones -  Stevie Haston
B.Jones
P.Trewin

Dalis Hole
S.Warren -  Shane Ohly
A.Maddison
J.Martin
A.Woodward -  Andy? Date fits but wasn’t sure if he climbed on the Slate much
C.Stephenson
D.Dutton
I.Dutton
L.Dutton - Are these three different people? The Dutton clan?
A.Cummings
M.Adams
P.Smith
M.Hardwick
I.MacMillan
N.Bradford
G.Landless
M.Rudolph
D.Kirton

California
A.Dale
P.Colquohoun
D.Williams
M.Ryan - Mick?
M.Hanford 
A.Shaw -  John Tombs
J.Howel
J.Webb
D.O’Dowd

Australia
J.Dawson-Cluff
R.Huws
N.Butterworth
N.Manning
K.Strange
A.Jackson
N.Biven
W.Rees -  Chris Parkin
S.Puroy
C.Fowler
E.Thomas
R.Deane -  Perry Hawkins
K.Turner
L.Dow
T.Hughes
C.Allen
R.Wright 
N.Sharpe
G.Jones
I.Hill -  Matt Wells
P.Woodhouse
K.Archer
G.Parfitt -  Lew Hardy
S.Anderson
J.Lyon -  Joe Brown
R.Ebbs
S.Parker
J.Elliot -  Perry Hawkins
R.Caves
K.Simpson
S.Winstanley
C.Stevenson
R.Pink
M.Podd
L.Lovatt
P.Warsop
I.Hassell
J.Smithies
S.Parker
R.Ebbs
K.Archer
M.Farram
J.Jackson
P.Hiscock

Serengeti
B.Davies -  Chris Davies
R.Austin
M.Murray
M.Goodsmith -  Colin Goodey

Never Never Land Area including Patellaectomy
T.Forster
I.Fox -  Malcolm Campbell
M.Roberts -  Martin Crook
A.Winterbottom
B.Cralis
M.Jones
C.Neale -  Mark Dicken
R.Liddle
L.Dow
J.Bowman
A.Bowman

Twll Mawr
A.Howard -  Paul Trower
S.Salter
D.Lee
J.Warburton 
B.Lillington
J.Teed
J.Smallwood -  Chris Parkin
O.Anderson -  Johnny Dawes
B.Davison
A.Cope
N.Lowry
T.Woodhead 

Mordor/Lost World
D.Taylor -  Pete Robertson
M.Davies
D.Holmes 
S.Chesslett -  Trevor Hodgson and Paul Pritchard
M.Paine


Vivian
J.Turner -  Mike Raine
J.Taylor -  Tony Kay
M.Boater
J.Clinton
N.Parker -  Stevie Haston
I.Wallis
I.Davis -  Rob Mirfin
S.Jones -   Tony Kay and Paul Pritchard
P.Jiggins
P.Dunkley
S.Bennett -  Al Evans
D.Iwan Jones -   Cliff Phillips
N.Rice -   Cliff Phillips
N.Parker
M.Howard 
S.Scully
L.Zablocki 
A.McSherry -  Bob Drury
S.Andrews -  Sandy Britain
S.Jones -  Tony Kay
R.Leishman -  Paul Barbier
R.Ebbs
N.Smith
A.Bond
J.Taylor - Andy Pollitt, Martin Crook
M.Roberts
C.Edwards
M.Green
S.Kelly
G.Sewell
J.Cleford
T.McClean
D.Cuthbertson -  Paul Johnstone
K.Read
J.Banks
L.Naylor
I.Stevens
C.Ayres - Lew Hardy
T.Dale -  Chris Dale
P.Judge -  Pat Littlejohn

Rainbow Area
I.Barton - Bill Gregory
O.Jones
R.Whitwell
C.Gilchrist
D.Jones - Paul Williams
D.Lawson - Paul Williams
A.Holmes - Paul Williams
S.Edmonson  -  Paul Pritchard
W.Lockley -  Mark Lynden
P.Gilliver - Sandy Britain
S.Lumley
K.Hawker
J.Peck - Lew Hardy
G.Briggs
A.Shaw
P.Stone - Sid Siddiqui
D.Crilley - Crispin Waddy
M.Murray - Richie Brookes

Nant Peris
C.Hudson - Paul Trower
M.Patterson - Paul Williams

Gideon
P.Bagnall - Cliff Phillips
N.Thomas - Cliff Phillips
M.Thompson - Cliff Phillips
C.Ayres - Chris Parkin
G.Oldridge - Tony Hughes
A.Hodgson - Trevor Hodgson
T.Jones - Trevor Hodgson
E.Penman - Al Harris
M.Wragg
H.Falconer - Ray Kay
M.Pritchard  - Ramon Marin
B.Lewis - Al George
J.Banks - Al George

Nantlle
J.Lawley - Jamie Macdonald 

 

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In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

And the same list in alphabetical order without the repetitions:

M.Adams
C.Allen
S.Anderson
O.Anderson
S.Andrews
K.Archer
R.Austin
C.Ayres
C.Ayres
P.Bagnall
J.Banks
I.Barton
S.Bennett
N.Biven
M.Boater
A.Bond
J.Bowman
A.Bowman
N.Bradford
G.Briggs
N.Butterworth
R.Caves
S.Chesslett
D.Clark
J.Cleford
J.Clinton
P.Colquohoun
A.Cope
B.Cralis
D.Crilley
A.Cummings
D.Cuthbertson
A.Dale
T.Dale
M.Davies
B.Davies
M.Davies
I.Davis
B.Davison
J.Dawson-Cluff
R.Deane
L.Dow
P.Doyle
P.Dunkley
D.Dutton
I.Dutton
L.Dutton
R.Ebbs
S.Edmonson 
C.Edwards
J.Elliot
H.Falconer
M.Farram
T.Forster
C.Fowler
I.Fox
C.Gilchrist
P.Gilliver
M.Goodsmith
M.Green
M.Hanford 
M.Hardwick
I.Hassell
K.Hawker
I.Hill
P.Hiscock
A.Hodgson
A.Holmes
D.Holmes 
A.Howard
M.Howard 
J.Howel
C.Hudson
T.Hughes
R.Huws
D.Iwan Jones
A.Jackson
J.Jackson
P.Jiggins
G.Jones
B.Jones
G.Jones
M.Jones
S.Jones
O.Jones
D.Jones
T.Jones
P.Judge
S.Kelly
D.Kirton
G.Landless
J.Lawley
D.Lawson
D.Lee
R.Leishman
B.Lewis
R.Liddle
B.Lillington
W.Lockley
L.Lovatt
N.Lowry
S.Lumley
J.Lyon
I.MacMillan
A.Maddison
N.Manning
J.Martin
T.McClean
A.McSherry
T.Muller
M.Murray
L.Naylor
L.Naylor
C.Neale
D.O’Dowd
G.Oldridge
M.Paine
G.Parfitt
S.Parker
N.Parker
M.Patterson
J.Peck
E.Penman
R.Pink
M.Podd
M.Pritchard 
S.Puroy
K.Read
W.Rees
N.Rice
M.Roberts
M.Rudolph
M.Ryan
S.Salter
S.Scully
G.Sewell
N.Sharpe
A.Shaw
K.Simpson
J.Smallwood
B.Smith
P.Smith
N.Smith
J.Smithies
C.Stephenson
I.Stevens
C.Stevenson
P.Stone
K.Strange
D.Taylor
J.Taylor
J.Teed
E.Thomas
N.Thomas
M.Thompson
P.Trewin
K.Turner
J.Turner
I.Wallis
J.Warburton 
S.Warren
P.Warsop
J.Webb
B.Wedley
A.Whittall
R.Whitwell
D.Williams
S.Winstanley
A.Winterbottom
T.Woodhead 
P.Woodhouse
A.Woodward
M.Wragg
R.Wright 
L.Zablocki 

Post edited at 11:42
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jon on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Dali's. Mick Hardwick

Australia. Rob Deane

Never Never. Ian Fox

Never Never. Mel Roberts?

Vivian. Dave Cuthbertson (Smiler?)

Vivian and Gideon. Chris Ayres

Gideon. Eric Penman

Andy Hardy on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Just a guess, but would D. Kirton not be Dave?

Also, what happened to the new routes book in Pete's Eats? surely that would be worth looking at for this info?

Edit: M. Paine could be Marcus (although the spelling would be Payne)

Post edited at 12:00
Sl@te Head - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I can help with some of these, I've just sent you an email with my phone number....

jon on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Dave O'Dowd

Martin Wragg

Jon Read - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Andy Woodward (Machine in the Ghost, I presume) -- one of the Woodward brothers.

In reply to Andy Hardy:

Thanks Andy

> Also, what happened to the new routes book in Pete's Eats? surely that would be worth looking at for this info?

Mark Reeves has just nipped down to Pete's and says there is no New Routes book there any more!

I'm afraid that is what happened to paper new routes books although it would be a great shame if that historical document from the 1980s is lost.

Alan

 

Andy Hardy on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Yes it would, and hope it has been stashed somewhere (accessible). IMO opinion tonsured monks should be transcribing stuff like this onto vellum, which will last a lot longer than an online archive <ducks>

Gordon Stainforth - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Leon Zablocki, I think

jon on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> Mark Reeves has just nipped down to Pete's and says there is no New Routes book there any more!

> I'm afraid that is what happened to paper new routes books although it would be a great shame if that historical document from the 1980s is lost.

Phil Kelly has them, I think.

 

Simon Caldwell - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to jon:

> Phil Kelly has them, I think.

Yes, I think it was going into his rockarchivist site, but that seems to have gone AWOL

 

lurcher - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

N. Biven - Nick?

M. Podd- Matt?

S. Lumley- Steve

K Hawker- Keith

Phil Kelly - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to jon:

Been pointed at this thread. I don't physically have the NRBs; I borrowed and scanned them (it was a mammoth job!) for the RockArchivist site, but TBH no-one seemed to be that bothered, so I canned the idea. I still have the scanned images, so no matter where the paper versions ended up, I have a safe copy.

There was one book in the collection that I didn't scan; just never got round to it.

Phil

Post edited at 17:07
jon on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Phil Kelly:

That's a shame. I thought it was well received. I certainly found it interesting. Generation thing, maybe?

Phil Kelly - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to jon:

Probably is Jon, yes

Offwidth - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Phil Kelly:

Now Lynn is BMC President things might change. Worst case we will take a copy of the scans in case something happens to you.

mantelself on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Phil Kelly:

Was that the site from a few years back that had the scans from Peak/Outside NRB? I wasted a good few hours going through that.

 

Surely this is the kind of thing the BMC should be curating?

Phil Kelly - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Offwidth:

> Now Lynn is BMC President things might change. Worst case we will take a copy of the scans in case something happens to you.

It's not that simple, Steve. Happy to discuss when the time is right.

Phil Kelly - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to mantelself:

Yes it was. Glad you wasted plenty of time on it!

Let's not lose track of this original thread tho which is about the historical record of the Slate quarries.

Phil

Shani - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

D.Lawson - very likely Dave Lawson

A.Bowman - possibly Andy Bowman.

Fruitbat on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

P Jiggins is Paul.

L Lovatt is Len.

N Sharpe is Nick.

 

Post edited at 20:06
Pekkie - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH: P. Trewin is moi - Pete Trewin - and B.Jones is Berwyn ‘Buzz’ Jones. And N. Rice is Nick Rice aka ‘Tonto’. And A. McSherry is Alan ‘Yag’ McSherry (sadly deceased).

 

Post edited at 20:28
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paul__in_sheffield - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to lurcher:

Yes, that was Matthew Podd who was living in Bethesda around ‘87

David Lanceley - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

P. Bagnall = Phil Bagnall

C. Hudson = Callum Hudson

Big Steve - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

M Handford, my guess is  Mark Hanford, owner of Snowdonia Adventures

Matt Podd - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Malcolm Boater

Matt podd

Len lovatt

Nick Biven

Wynn Rees

Phil Warsop

Great days were had!

Matt Podd - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Chris Ayres

Phil Bagnall

Matt Podd - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to paul__in_sheffield:

Yes, now in Otley and fell running

woppo - on 29 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

J.Lyon - Jim. combined age of 150? with Joe for new routes and still climbing at 83.

Post edited at 22:14
tobykeep on 30 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Owain Jones for the Rainbow area one.

Matt Podd - on 30 Jun 2018
In reply to tobykeep:

Ian Stevens - Ianto

string arms - on 30 Jun 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH

L and d dutton are the same guy. Danny . C Stephenson is Clive who is now sadly no longer with us

Fuzzy Logic - on 01 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Bus stop - Paul Doyle and Ben Smith.

wynaptomos - on 01 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Vivian:

C Edwards - Cefin

M Roberts - Mel

fatboyslimfast - on 01 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

S,Scully is Simon Scully

A.Holmes is Andy Holmes

string arms - on 01 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

B davies is Ben davies for serengeti 

R. Pink I think was rob

Paul Evans - on 02 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

D Lee and J Warburton listed under Twll Mawr are Duncan Lee and John Warburton (FA of Teenage Kicks, E4).

Also Duncan informs me that the route "Yorkshire VD" on Seamstress, given an FA in 2010, was actually done by him and Gary Thornhill in about 1987 - details went in the Petes Eats FA book at the time, but obviously lost in the mists of history. The name they gave the route was "Jim Symon 11 Frobisher Close" for reasons far too obscure to go into here....

Paul

Frank the Husky - on 02 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Mordor/Lost World:- D.Holmes is Dave Holmes

Gideon:- M. Wragg is Martin Wragg
 

P@Ivy - on 02 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

K Archer - Keith 

P Woodhouse - Paul (me)

 

Sean Kelly - on 02 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Vivian Quarry

M.Green-Mick
S.Kelly-Sean

Ty Mawr

D.Lee-Duncan
J.Warburton -John

Thanks everyone, that is really great. We have found 60 names so far from the list.

The remaining ones are below in alphabetical order:

M.Adams
S.Anderson
O.Anderson
S.Andrews
R.Austin
J.Banks
I.Barton
S.Bennett
A.Bond
J.Bowman
A.Bowman - not Andy
N.Bradford
G.Briggs
R.Caves
S.Chesslett
D.Clark
J.Cleford
J.Clinton
P.Colquohoun
A.Cope
B.Cralis
D.Crilley
A.Cummings
A.Dale
T.Dale
M.Davies
I.Davis
B.Davison
J.Dawson-Cluff
L.Dow
P.Dunkley
R.Ebbs
S.Edmonson 
J.Elliot
H.Falconer
M.Farram
T.Forster
C.Fowler
C.Gilchrist
P.Gilliver
M.Goodsmith
I.Hassell
I.Hill
P.Hiscock
A.Hodgson
A.Howard
J.Howel
R.Huws
A.Jackson
J.Jackson
G.Jones
M.Jones
S.Jones
D.Jones
T.Jones
P.Judge
S.Kelly
G.Landless
J.Lawley
R.Leishman
B.Lewis
R.Liddle
B.Lillington
W.Lockley
N.Lowry
I.MacMillan
A.Maddison
J.Martin
T.McClean
M.Murray
L.Naylor
L.Naylor
C.Neale
G.Oldridge
M.Paine
G.Parfitt
S.Parker
N.Parker
M.Patterson
J.Peck
M.Pritchard 
S.Puroy
K.Read
M.Rudolph
M.Ryan - not Mick
G.Sewell
A.Shaw
K.Simpson
J.Smallwood
P.Smith
N.Smith
J.Smithies
P.Stone
K.Strange
D.Taylor
J.Taylor
J.Teed
E.Thomas
N.Thomas
M.Thompson
K.Turner
J.Turner
I.Wallis
S.Warren
J.Webb
A.Whittall
R.Whitwell
D.Williams
S.Winstanley
A.Winterbottom
T.Woodhead 
 

jon on 02 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Maybe Gordon Landless?

Tim Sparrow on 02 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

A Cummings is almost certainly Andy Cummings.

Tim Sparrow on 02 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

S Cheslett would be Steve Cheslett.

Melok - on 03 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

How about, last tango in paris should be, and always was,(last tango in peris). First ascent by mel Roberts and Cefin Edwards.I should know

In reply to Melok:

> How about, last tango in paris should be, and always was,(last tango in peris). First ascent by mel Roberts and Cefin Edwards.I should know

Excellent. Thanks for that. Would love more of those if they are around.


Alan

SGD - on 03 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

J. Martin (Dali's Hole) is 'Jonny' Martin

Melok - on 04 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Just been on logbooks, thanks Alan.

Martin Bennett - on 04 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

In the GIDEON section E.  Penman is definitely Eric (Spider) Penman. I talked to him about it (the 1st ascent of what might have been the first route of any note on Snowdonia slate?) recently when a guy contacted me for info on Spider's whereabouts as he is researching a book on the history of slate climbing. I put him in touch with Spider and he promised to let me know when the book came out, but I haven't heard from him.

David Lanceley - on 04 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

A Whittall is probably Alan Whittall, sadly deceased.

rhudson on 05 Jul 2018
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

> Leon Zablocki, I think

Yep. I second that.

Melok - on 05 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH: S Andrews is steve Andrews lives in Brynrefail, just outside llanberis

M davis is malcolm davis,aka, mills

slug - on 05 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

J Banks is John Banks

L Naylor  is Lin  Naylor

Dave Lyon - on 08 Jul 2018
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Keith Simpson

Shirley Winstanley

Steve Chesslett


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