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One of the things we want to do in the new Rockfax Slate guide is to add full first names to the first ascents. We have managed a lot but there is a very diverse history of climbers who have been active on the Slate and we haven't yet got any where near getting all the names.

Below is a list of names with initials where we aren't sure of the first name of the climber. They are grouped in areas around the quarry where they have relevant FAs. They are also listed in places with the full name of the climber they were with. I will make a second post with the names in alphabetical order.

Any help much appreciated. Apologies for the length of the posts.

Bus Stop Quarry
P.Doyle - climbs with Craig Smith
B.Smith
B.Wedley
T.Muller
A.Whittall
J.Banks
L.Naylor
D.Clark
M.Davies
D.Kirton
G.Jones -  Stevie Haston
B.Jones
P.Trewin

Dalis Hole
S.Warren -  Shane Ohly
A.Maddison
J.Martin
A.Woodward -  Andy? Date fits but wasn’t sure if he climbed on the Slate much
C.Stephenson
D.Dutton
I.Dutton
L.Dutton - Are these three different people? The Dutton clan?
A.Cummings
M.Adams
P.Smith
M.Hardwick
I.MacMillan
N.Bradford
G.Landless
M.Rudolph
D.Kirton

California
A.Dale
P.Colquohoun
D.Williams
M.Ryan - Mick?
M.Hanford 
A.Shaw -  John Tombs
J.Howel
J.Webb
D.O’Dowd

Australia
J.Dawson-Cluff
R.Huws
N.Butterworth
N.Manning
K.Strange
A.Jackson
N.Biven
W.Rees -  Chris Parkin
S.Puroy
C.Fowler
E.Thomas
R.Deane -  Perry Hawkins
K.Turner
L.Dow
T.Hughes
C.Allen
R.Wright 
N.Sharpe
G.Jones
I.Hill -  Matt Wells
P.Woodhouse
K.Archer
G.Parfitt -  Lew Hardy
S.Anderson
J.Lyon -  Joe Brown
R.Ebbs
S.Parker
J.Elliot -  Perry Hawkins
R.Caves
K.Simpson
S.Winstanley
C.Stevenson
R.Pink
M.Podd
L.Lovatt
P.Warsop
I.Hassell
J.Smithies
S.Parker
R.Ebbs
K.Archer
M.Farram
J.Jackson
P.Hiscock

Serengeti
B.Davies -  Chris Davies
R.Austin
M.Murray
M.Goodsmith -  Colin Goodey

Never Never Land Area including Patellaectomy
T.Forster
I.Fox -  Malcolm Campbell
M.Roberts -  Martin Crook
A.Winterbottom
B.Cralis
M.Jones
C.Neale -  Mark Dicken
R.Liddle
L.Dow
J.Bowman
A.Bowman

Twll Mawr
A.Howard -  Paul Trower
S.Salter
D.Lee
J.Warburton 
B.Lillington
J.Teed
J.Smallwood -  Chris Parkin
O.Anderson -  Johnny Dawes
B.Davison
A.Cope
N.Lowry
T.Woodhead 

Mordor/Lost World
D.Taylor -  Pete Robertson
M.Davies
D.Holmes 
S.Chesslett -  Trevor Hodgson and Paul Pritchard
M.Paine

Vivian
J.Turner -  Mike Raine
J.Taylor -  Tony Kay
M.Boater
J.Clinton
N.Parker -  Stevie Haston
I.Wallis
I.Davis -  Rob Mirfin
S.Jones -   Tony Kay and Paul Pritchard
P.Jiggins
P.Dunkley
S.Bennett -  Al Evans
D.Iwan Jones -   Cliff Phillips
N.Rice -   Cliff Phillips
N.Parker
M.Howard 
S.Scully
L.Zablocki 
A.McSherry -  Bob Drury
S.Andrews -  Sandy Britain
S.Jones -  Tony Kay
R.Leishman -  Paul Barbier
R.Ebbs
N.Smith
A.Bond
J.Taylor - Andy Pollitt, Martin Crook
M.Roberts
C.Edwards
M.Green
S.Kelly
G.Sewell
J.Cleford
T.McClean
D.Cuthbertson -  Paul Johnstone
K.Read
J.Banks
L.Naylor
I.Stevens
C.Ayres - Lew Hardy
T.Dale -  Chris Dale
P.Judge -  Pat Littlejohn

Rainbow Area
I.Barton - Bill Gregory
O.Jones
R.Whitwell
C.Gilchrist
D.Jones - Paul Williams
D.Lawson - Paul Williams
A.Holmes - Paul Williams
S.Edmonson  -  Paul Pritchard
W.Lockley -  Mark Lynden
P.Gilliver - Sandy Britain
S.Lumley
K.Hawker
J.Peck - Lew Hardy
G.Briggs
A.Shaw
P.Stone - Sid Siddiqui
D.Crilley - Crispin Waddy
M.Murray - Richie Brookes

Nant Peris
C.Hudson - Paul Trower
M.Patterson - Paul Williams

Gideon
P.Bagnall - Cliff Phillips
N.Thomas - Cliff Phillips
M.Thompson - Cliff Phillips
C.Ayres - Chris Parkin
G.Oldridge - Tony Hughes
A.Hodgson - Trevor Hodgson
T.Jones - Trevor Hodgson
E.Penman - Al Harris
M.Wragg
H.Falconer - Ray Kay
M.Pritchard  - Ramon Marin
B.Lewis - Al George
J.Banks - Al George

Nantlle
J.Lawley - Jamie Macdonald 

 

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

And the same list in alphabetical order without the repetitions:

M.Adams
C.Allen
S.Anderson
O.Anderson
S.Andrews
K.Archer
R.Austin
C.Ayres
C.Ayres
P.Bagnall
J.Banks
I.Barton
S.Bennett
N.Biven
M.Boater
A.Bond
J.Bowman
A.Bowman
N.Bradford
G.Briggs
N.Butterworth
R.Caves
S.Chesslett
D.Clark
J.Cleford
J.Clinton
P.Colquohoun
A.Cope
B.Cralis
D.Crilley
A.Cummings
D.Cuthbertson
A.Dale
T.Dale
M.Davies
B.Davies
M.Davies
I.Davis
B.Davison
J.Dawson-Cluff
R.Deane
L.Dow
P.Doyle
P.Dunkley
D.Dutton
I.Dutton
L.Dutton
R.Ebbs
S.Edmonson 
C.Edwards
J.Elliot
H.Falconer
M.Farram
T.Forster
C.Fowler
I.Fox
C.Gilchrist
P.Gilliver
M.Goodsmith
M.Green
M.Hanford 
M.Hardwick
I.Hassell
K.Hawker
I.Hill
P.Hiscock
A.Hodgson
A.Holmes
D.Holmes 
A.Howard
M.Howard 
J.Howel
C.Hudson
T.Hughes
R.Huws
D.Iwan Jones
A.Jackson
J.Jackson
P.Jiggins
G.Jones
B.Jones
G.Jones
M.Jones
S.Jones
O.Jones
D.Jones
T.Jones
P.Judge
S.Kelly
D.Kirton
G.Landless
J.Lawley
D.Lawson
D.Lee
R.Leishman
B.Lewis
R.Liddle
B.Lillington
W.Lockley
L.Lovatt
N.Lowry
S.Lumley
J.Lyon
I.MacMillan
A.Maddison
N.Manning
J.Martin
T.McClean
A.McSherry
T.Muller
M.Murray
L.Naylor
L.Naylor
C.Neale
D.O’Dowd
G.Oldridge
M.Paine
G.Parfitt
S.Parker
N.Parker
M.Patterson
J.Peck
E.Penman
R.Pink
M.Podd
M.Pritchard 
S.Puroy
K.Read
W.Rees
N.Rice
M.Roberts
M.Rudolph
M.Ryan
S.Salter
S.Scully
G.Sewell
N.Sharpe
A.Shaw
K.Simpson
J.Smallwood
B.Smith
P.Smith
N.Smith
J.Smithies
C.Stephenson
I.Stevens
C.Stevenson
P.Stone
K.Strange
D.Taylor
J.Taylor
J.Teed
E.Thomas
N.Thomas
M.Thompson
P.Trewin
K.Turner
J.Turner
I.Wallis
J.Warburton 
S.Warren
P.Warsop
J.Webb
B.Wedley
A.Whittall
R.Whitwell
D.Williams
S.Winstanley
A.Winterbottom
T.Woodhead 
P.Woodhouse
A.Woodward
M.Wragg
R.Wright 
L.Zablocki 

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Dali's. Mick Hardwick

Australia. Rob Deane

Never Never. Ian Fox

Never Never. Mel Roberts?

Vivian. Dave Cuthbertson (Smiler?)

Vivian and Gideon. Chris Ayres

Gideon. Eric Penman

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Just a guess, but would D. Kirton not be Dave?

Also, what happened to the new routes book in Pete's Eats? surely that would be worth looking at for this info?

Edit: M. Paine could be Marcus (although the spelling would be Payne)

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

I can help with some of these, I've just sent you an email with my phone number....

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Dave O'Dowd

Martin Wragg

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Andy Woodward (Machine in the Ghost, I presume) -- one of the Woodward brothers.

In reply to Andy Hardy:

Thanks Andy

Mark Reeves has just nipped down to Pete's and says there is no New Routes book there any more!

I'm afraid that is what happened to paper new routes books although it would be a great shame if that historical document from the 1980s is lost.

Alan

 

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Yes it would, and hope it has been stashed somewhere (accessible). IMO opinion tonsured monks should be transcribing stuff like this onto vellum, which will last a lot longer than an online archive <ducks>

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Leon Zablocki, I think

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Phil Kelly has them, I think.

 

In reply to jon:

Yes, I think it was going into his rockarchivist site, but that seems to have gone AWOL

 

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

N. Biven - Nick?

M. Podd- Matt?

S. Lumley- Steve

K Hawker- Keith

In reply to jon:

Been pointed at this thread. I don't physically have the NRBs; I borrowed and scanned them (it was a mammoth job!) for the RockArchivist site, but TBH no-one seemed to be that bothered, so I canned the idea. I still have the scanned images, so no matter where the paper versions ended up, I have a safe copy.

There was one book in the collection that I didn't scan; just never got round to it.

Phil

In reply to BlownAway:

That's a shame. I thought it was well received. I certainly found it interesting. Generation thing, maybe?

In reply to jon:

Probably is Jon, yes

In reply to BlownAway:

Now Lynn is BMC President things might change. Worst case we will take a copy of the scans in case something happens to you.

In reply to BlownAway:

Was that the site from a few years back that had the scans from Peak/Outside NRB? I wasted a good few hours going through that.

 

Surely this is the kind of thing the BMC should be curating?

In reply to Offwidth:

It's not that simple, Steve. Happy to discuss when the time is right.

In reply to mantelself:

Yes it was. Glad you wasted plenty of time on it!

Let's not lose track of this original thread tho which is about the historical record of the Slate quarries.

Phil

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

D.Lawson - very likely Dave Lawson

A.Bowman - possibly Andy Bowman.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

P Jiggins is Paul.

L Lovatt is Len.

N Sharpe is Nick.

 

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax: P. Trewin is moi - Pete Trewin - and B.Jones is Berwyn ‘Buzz’ Jones. And N. Rice is Nick Rice aka ‘Tonto’. And A. McSherry is Alan ‘Yag’ McSherry (sadly deceased).

 

In reply to lurcher:

Yes, that was Matthew Podd who was living in Bethesda around ‘87

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

P. Bagnall = Phil Bagnall

C. Hudson = Callum Hudson

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

M Handford, my guess is  Mark Hanford, owner of Snowdonia Adventures

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Malcolm Boater

Matt podd

Len lovatt

Nick Biven

Wynn Rees

Phil Warsop

Great days were had!

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Chris Ayres

Phil Bagnall

In reply to paul_in_cumbria:

Yes, now in Otley and fell running

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

J.Lyon - Jim. combined age of 150? with Joe for new routes and still climbing at 83.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Owain Jones for the Rainbow area one.

In reply to tobykeep:

Ian Stevens - Ianto

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax

L and d dutton are the same guy. Danny . C Stephenson is Clive who is now sadly no longer with us

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Bus stop - Paul Doyle and Ben Smith.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Vivian:

C Edwards - Cefin

M Roberts - Mel

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

S,Scully is Simon Scully

A.Holmes is Andy Holmes

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

B davies is Ben davies for serengeti 

R. Pink I think was rob

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

D Lee and J Warburton listed under Twll Mawr are Duncan Lee and John Warburton (FA of Teenage Kicks, E4).

Also Duncan informs me that the route "Yorkshire VD" on Seamstress, given an FA in 2010, was actually done by him and Gary Thornhill in about 1987 - details went in the Petes Eats FA book at the time, but obviously lost in the mists of history. The name they gave the route was "Jim Symon 11 Frobisher Close" for reasons far too obscure to go into here....

Paul

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Mordor/Lost World:- D.Holmes is Dave Holmes

Gideon:- M. Wragg is Martin Wragg
 

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

K Archer - Keith 

P Woodhouse - Paul (me)

 

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Vivian Quarry

M.Green-Mick
S.Kelly-Sean

Ty Mawr

D.Lee-Duncan
J.Warburton -John

Thanks everyone, that is really great. We have found 60 names so far from the list.

The remaining ones are below in alphabetical order:

M.Adams
S.Anderson
O.Anderson
S.Andrews
R.Austin
J.Banks
I.Barton
S.Bennett
A.Bond
J.Bowman
A.Bowman - not Andy
N.Bradford
G.Briggs
R.Caves
S.Chesslett
D.Clark
J.Cleford
J.Clinton
P.Colquohoun
A.Cope
B.Cralis
D.Crilley
A.Cummings
A.Dale
T.Dale
M.Davies
I.Davis
B.Davison
J.Dawson-Cluff
L.Dow
P.Dunkley
R.Ebbs
S.Edmonson 
J.Elliot
H.Falconer
M.Farram
T.Forster
C.Fowler
C.Gilchrist
P.Gilliver
M.Goodsmith
I.Hassell
I.Hill
P.Hiscock
A.Hodgson
A.Howard
J.Howel
R.Huws
A.Jackson
J.Jackson
G.Jones
M.Jones
S.Jones
D.Jones
T.Jones
P.Judge
S.Kelly
G.Landless
J.Lawley
R.Leishman
B.Lewis
R.Liddle
B.Lillington
W.Lockley
N.Lowry
I.MacMillan
A.Maddison
J.Martin
T.McClean
M.Murray
L.Naylor
L.Naylor
C.Neale
G.Oldridge
M.Paine
G.Parfitt
S.Parker
N.Parker
M.Patterson
J.Peck
M.Pritchard 
S.Puroy
K.Read
M.Rudolph
M.Ryan - not Mick
G.Sewell
A.Shaw
K.Simpson
J.Smallwood
P.Smith
N.Smith
J.Smithies
P.Stone
K.Strange
D.Taylor
J.Taylor
J.Teed
E.Thomas
N.Thomas
M.Thompson
K.Turner
J.Turner
I.Wallis
S.Warren
J.Webb
A.Whittall
R.Whitwell
D.Williams
S.Winstanley
A.Winterbottom
T.Woodhead 
 

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Maybe Gordon Landless?

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

A Cummings is almost certainly Andy Cummings.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

S Cheslett would be Steve Cheslett.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

How about, last tango in paris should be, and always was,(last tango in peris). First ascent by mel Roberts and Cefin Edwards.I should know

In reply to Melok:

Excellent. Thanks for that. Would love more of those if they are around.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

J. Martin (Dali's Hole) is 'Jonny' Martin

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Just been on logbooks, thanks Alan.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

In the GIDEON section E.  Penman is definitely Eric (Spider) Penman. I talked to him about it (the 1st ascent of what might have been the first route of any note on Snowdonia slate?) recently when a guy contacted me for info on Spider's whereabouts as he is researching a book on the history of slate climbing. I put him in touch with Spider and he promised to let me know when the book came out, but I haven't heard from him.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

A Whittall is probably Alan Whittall, sadly deceased.

In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

Yep. I second that.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax: S Andrews is steve Andrews lives in Brynrefail, just outside llanberis

M davis is malcolm davis,aka, mills

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

J Banks is John Banks

L Naylor  is Lin  Naylor

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Keith Simpson

Shirley Winstanley

Steve Chesslett