Its usual to reference the Llanberis Pass as 'the Pass' - when climbers talk of 'the Pass', that's the default place - usually no queries etc, though maybe some local variants (e.g. the Pass of Ballater).
Are there any others, where abbreviated terms, or indeed nicknames, are used and where the location is pretty much agreed? The Gorge?? The Slate?? etc etc
As you might surmise, a slow work day
I suppose most Lakes crags are referred to solely by their definitive name 'Shepherds', 'Dow', 'Gimmer' etc
The Gunks
'Mecca' for Eston Nab.
The Tor
See, I don't immediately connect with that (the 'Tor)...could be Raven, High, Mam etc
the Orme
Can't believe no one has mentioned "The Peak" or is that too controversial
Al
#therecanbeonlyone
The Culm
The Gorms, The Coe and Meggie are three that immediately spring to mind.
Yes - there a a fair few with the real place name as the significant word; very few like 'the Pass' I'd suggest (nothing to do with the history, quality and variety of routes....) where a generic term has come to signify a particular location that all/most climbers identify with. It could, in that sense, be unique!
The cliff for Almscliff
> Yes - there a a fair few with the real place name as the significant word; very few like 'the Pass' I'd suggest (nothing to do with the history, quality and variety of routes....) where a generic term has come to signify a particular location that all/most climbers identify with. It could, in that sense, be unique!
Unique? In what way do you see The Pass as different to The Ben or The Valley or The Tor in this regard?
Whilst there are many places known unequivocally by an abbreviation of nickname (there's no doubt where you mean if you talk about 'Pex', say), there are far fewer places agreed when you start with 'The . . . '. The Ben, the 'Gorms, the Pass, the 'Coe, then it all tails off a bit.
T.
The County?
What about Cloggy? A derivative of Clogwyn, which (I believe) is Welsh for cliff - certainly there are many other Clogwyns but only one Cloggy.
Kipling, CB (lots of Central Buttresses, but only one CB), LBJ (I think fairly universally used for Little Brown Jug?), and Great (ditto, for Great Slab on Cloggy) ?
Similarly, Bloody. There are lots of bloody slabs but only one Bloody Slab (E3 5b).
T.
Lest we forget there is 'Cliffe' for the mighty Holmfirth Edge.
tIn reply to Greenbanks:
Further afield the Peñón, The nose, the mount, the chief, the diamond, the hornli, The Walker.
The Ruffs
> Yes - there a a fair few with the real place name as the significant word; very few like 'the Pass' I'd suggest (nothing to do with the history, quality and variety of routes....) where a generic term has come to signify a particular location that all/most climbers identify with. It could, in that sense, be unique!
Yes agree , I think The Ben and The Tor pass the test but can't think of anywhere else.
Almscliff? Where's that?
Surely you mean here?: https://www.everyoneactive.com/centre/mid-suffolk-leisure-centre/climbingwa...
Not had the Leap or the Ruckle yet ?
> Not had the Leap or the Ruckle yet ?
But are there any other leaps or ruckles? If not surely they don't count. The thing for me is that there are lots of passes, Bens and tors, but if you say "The..." to a climber , they'll know which one you mean without asking.
The Foundry
So where are these 'the tor' and 'the gorge'? not that unnequivocal!
most of these places are only unoquivocal to those fairly local or in the specific scene (i.e. anyone who climbs scottish winter will know which Ben is THE Ben, but away from winter climbers its a bit more ambiguous).
Can heretics still be burnt?
Dumby.
> most of these places are only unoquivocal to those fairly local or in the specific scene (i.e. anyone who climbs scottish winter will know which Ben is THE Ben, but away from winter climbers its a bit more ambiguous).
Not wrong. The Glaswegians have the Lomond Ben, the Aberdonians, Rinnes. A few more here and there, too.
Ruckle I grant you but there are plenty of other leaps. Lovers leap at Brimham e.g.
The hill in the middle of my town is called The Beacon. I run up it often. 25 miles away there's another, better known hill called St Agnes Beacon that I run up less often. When I recently did, I called my run on Strava 'The Other Beacon', because for me, that one is, and got the comment from someone slightly more local to that one than to mine 'No, this is THE Beacon. The other Beacon is the Other Beacon'.
> So where are these 'the tor' and 'the gorge'? not that unnequivocal!
> most of these places are only unoquivocal to those fairly local or in the specific scene (i.e. anyone who climbs scottish winter will know which Ben is THE Ben, but away from winter climbers its a bit more ambiguous).
Surely that could all be said about use of "The Pass" as well which is surely the whole point of the OP. Obviously "The Pass" won't mean much to non climbers but to those 'in the specific scene' as you put it, it is absolutely clear what it means.
> So where are these 'the tor' and 'the gorge'? not that unnequivocal!
The Gorge means Avon to most people, surely?
The Ledge means Fountain Ledge to any Table Mountain regular.
> The Gorge means Avon to most people, surely?
Or Cheddar.
Certainly with Cheddar becoming more popular of late, then I wouldn't automatically associate 'The Gorge' with Avon.
Horseshit?
Is there any good climbing in the Peaks District?
The Chalk
Some of the best, though relatively little in the way of summit experience..
exactly, is it Avon or Cheddar? or prehaps somewhere up north?
Well, when I lived between Bristol and Cheddar, and climbed at Avon and Cheddar, we generally called the Avon Gorge 'The Gorge' and we called Cheddar Gorge 'Cheddar'! We rarely went up North, obviously.
Thwaite
the cave....
> Yes agree , I think The Ben and The Tor pass the test but can't think of anywhere else.
Yes. Seems to me the key thing here is that the second word could refer to lots of places but the addition of "The" narrows it to just one place in climbing lore. So "The Pass", "The Ben", "The Corner" and "The Valley" are all valid. But "The Coe" doesn't pass the test (only one "Coe"). Neither, arguably, does "The Tor" (could be Raven or High - perhaps in different eras).
Martin
Living in Baildon, there is only one Glen and its not in Scotland, it is of course Shipley.