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Dragon's Back Race

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 Nic Barber 05 Sep 2021

The Dragon's back race starts from Conwy tomorrow morning.

A 6th day has been added to finish at Cardiff Castle on Saturday. This adds a big day 5 over the main Brecon Peaks, before a final day above the Valleys and in to Cardiff.

Tracking is here:  https://live.opentracking.co.uk/dragonsbackrace2021/

I'm number 418 if you're at all interested. Weather forecast looks good for views if maybe a bit warm lower down.

In reply to Nic Barber:

Good luck Nic. I’m on holiday this week, but will be thinking of you (and the others I know) taking part. That extra day, and the knock-on to day five, should make it ‘interesting’.

Hope you have fun throughout.

 Welsh Kate 05 Sep 2021
In reply to Nic Barber:

Best of luck - I'll keep an eye on your dot. 

That big day 5 over the Beacons! - the ascents of Fan Foel, the diretissimo up Fan Gyhirych, the lovely side of Fan Fawr give you a killer day even before the central escarpment (which'll be a doddle after that lot!!)

 steveriley 05 Sep 2021
In reply to Nic Barber:

Good luck! Few dots to watch this year and that seems more than enough effort

 mountainbagger 06 Sep 2021
In reply to steveriley:

And they're off!

The faster people appear to be approaching (relatively speaking) the Day 1 finish already.

In reply to Nic Barber:

Kudos to the runners. I cant even contemplate running something like that, let alone the training needed to get you even remotely fit.

 Myfyr Tomos 06 Sep 2021
In reply to mountainbagger:

On what's turned out to be a hot afternoon in North Wales. Moelwynion and Rhinogydd tomorrow on what's forecast to be the hottest day of the week. Well done all. 

ps.  good luck Nic.

Post edited at 16:39
 bowls 06 Sep 2021
In reply to Myfyr Tomos:

Good first day Nick!

Both Marcus Scotney and Kim Collison have already DNFd.  Russ Bentley and Simon Roberts coming in well over an hour clear of anyone else with a very quick 7:25 for the opening day.  With the heat it may well have been that 'fast is best' and enhances recovery time more with less time spend out in the heat..  But as they say '5 days to go is a long time in the Dragons Back!'

https://www.dragonsbackrace.com/2021-results

 Myfyr Tomos 06 Sep 2021
In reply to bowls:

Well done Nic. Day one done. Might see you in the Rhinogydd tomorrow.

 steveriley 07 Sep 2021
In reply to Nic Barber:

Nic had a storming first day. There's already a long list of timeouts and DNFs from a stiff first day. Today's dots mostly ranged along the Moelwyns.

 Myfyr Tomos 07 Sep 2021
In reply to steveriley:

The lad's done ok today as well on a blisteringly hot day. Saw him take some cunning routes in the Rhinogydd and is currently 4th overall. Super run. Party atmosphere at Llyn Du on Rhinog Fawr.

Post edited at 19:32

 ablackett 07 Sep 2021
In reply to Nic Barber:

I've just done a rough count, but it looks to me like out of 350odd starters, there are already 200+ DNF or T/O.  Is that normal, or has the quality of the field gone down as the profile has increased? Conditions haven't been tough, bit warm, but nothing exceptional.

 ablackett 07 Sep 2021
In reply to ablackett:

PS. Well done Nic, looks like it's going well.  I see you have Ron Burgundy as one of your supporters posting messages to you.  Kudos.

 Forest Dump 07 Sep 2021
In reply to ablackett:

Hottest September day in 16 years

 bowls 08 Sep 2021
In reply to ablackett:

I think the weather, especially yesterday was particularly tough.  However myself and some friends were commenting that on day1 there were clearly entrants just way out of their depth.  The amount of time some took to reach Ogwen was very slow over what was fairly easy ground from Conwy.   Surely you do your research and know what is involved before entering something like this?

My mate Russ Bentley had a good tussle with Simon Roberts on day1, Simon had a much stronger day2 to go into the lead overall, but all to play for!  Russ is an ex middle distance 800/1500m specialist turned fell runner turned ultra distance runner!

 steveriley 08 Sep 2021
In reply to Nic Barber:

Quite an attrition rate so far - down to 125 finishing day 2 intact, plus a 'non-competitive' runners. Nic continues to bother the leader board

 Sans-Plan 08 Sep 2021
In reply to ablackett:

> I've just done a rough count, but it looks to me like out of 350odd starters, there are already 200+ DNF or T/O.  Is that normal, or has the quality of the field gone down as the profile has increased? Conditions haven't been tough, bit warm, but nothing exceptional.

I thought that, admittedly its a tough event but its a bit embarassing really, both for the competitors and organisers to lose 119 on day one and 171 on day two, not sure what the vetting process is but looks like they need to look at it again.

Post edited at 13:20
 r0b 08 Sep 2021
In reply to Sans-Plan:

It says on their website in the How To Enter section "Entries are not vetted for this event, however please provide a brief outline of your previous relevant experience". That surprises me TBH! But maybe not so much seeing the attrition rate.

 Lrunner 08 Sep 2021
In reply to r0b:

A mate of my sister decided to do it because it was "the hardest race" before hand he had run 1 trail marathon before (in 6 hours!). He got a place but didn't go on the day because of injury and due to realising he was being mental. 

Its a pretty inspiring race and there's a doc on Amazon showing some "normal" people smashing it so I can see why it attracts a lot. They might not realise those normal people are absolute wads. 

I dare say most experienced fell runners wouldn't dream of rocking up. 

I certainly wouldn't!

 Denning76 08 Sep 2021
In reply to r0b:

At the end of the day, I imagine being able to tout such a heavy attrition rate actually helps the appeal of the race to some.

 Sans-Plan 08 Sep 2021
In reply to r0b:

That is surprisingly and somewhat worrying that they will set people off on a race without any sort of track record of long or multi day races

 scratcher 08 Sep 2021
In reply to Sans-Plan:

> That is surprisingly and somewhat worrying that they will set people off on a race without any sort of track record of long or multi day races

They know what they're doing. Exceptionally well organised events

 Sans-Plan 08 Sep 2021
In reply to scratcher:

Yes I know, I have done a few, however letting people embark on a multi day event with nav involved across hard terrain with no previous seems to be slightly odd

 mountainbagger 08 Sep 2021
In reply to scratcher:

I'm struggling to make sense of the tracker and eventual leaderboard...do the leaders set off at different times to each other? I'm sure Russ B arrived at the finish first but he seems to be in second place for day 3.

In reply to mountainbagger:

I think the better your time so far the later you start, apart from on the last day when there is a “chasing start” for the leaders if their times are close enough for it to be worth it. So it’s quite possible for someone to be first over the line but not have the fastest time due to an earlier start. 

 bowls 08 Sep 2021
In reply to mountainbagger:

For the first 5 days you can start whenever you like within a set time window.  Russ elected to go early which seems sensible considering the heat but Roberts seems to enjoy the chase more!  Final day the first 10 (or something) set off at pre determined intervals

 Myfyr Tomos 09 Sep 2021
In reply to Nic Barber:

Pleasant and very breezy start on Cadair Idris yesterday but became increasingly warm as the day progressed.


 mountainbagger 09 Sep 2021
In reply to bowls:

> For the first 5 days you can start whenever you like within a set time window.  Russ elected to go early which seems sensible considering the heat but Roberts seems to enjoy the chase more!  Final day the first 10 (or something) set off at pre determined intervals

Ah thanks, that makes sense now!

 ablackett 09 Sep 2021

In reply to steveriley:

Looks like Nic has dnf on day 4. Hope all is ok Nic.

 mountainbagger 09 Sep 2021
In reply to ablackett:

> Looks like Nic has dnf on day 4. Hope all is ok Nic.

I hope it's a tracking error and he's still in the race as I've been enjoying reading his dragon mail, he's got quite a following from Blackadder to David Dickinson to one of the dragons from Dragon's Den keeping him motivated 😉

In reply to ablackett:

His dot is still showing as blue just now, which I thought meant he was still in? 

 mountainbagger 09 Sep 2021
In reply to Stuart Williams:

Yes, fingers crossed. It's the results site which shows DNF...one of the icons on the tracking site takes you there.

In reply to mountainbagger:

Ah I see - I don’t find it the most intuitive site to navigate! 

 Sans-Plan 09 Sep 2021
In reply to mountainbagger:

I’m not fully understanding the results TBH, yesterday was positions up to 125th, today up to 144th ? Not sure what’s going on with that, or am I missing something obvious?

 mountainbagger 09 Sep 2021
In reply to Sans-Plan:

> I’m not fully understanding the results TBH, yesterday was positions up to 125th, today up to 144th ? Not sure what’s going on with that, or am I missing something obvious?

I think people who have timed out or DNFd on previous days can carry on, so might feature in the day's results but not the overall results?

 mountainbagger 09 Sep 2021
In reply to mountainbagger:

Yay! Looks like Nic has been reinstated in a solid fourth overall and is no longer showing as a DNF for today.

Great stuff Nic!

 Sans-Plan 10 Sep 2021
In reply to mountainbagger:

Ah ok, didn’t realise that, that would be the very reason then.

 mountainbagger 11 Sep 2021
In reply to Nic Barber:

Final day bump!

Good luck to all the competitors, I hope nobody DNFs or times out on the last day!

 bowls 11 Sep 2021
In reply to mountainbagger:

Shouldn't time out!  Looks like Russ is making a push for it on the roads (a 2:20 marathoner) but over an hour is surely beyond him, the overall gap Simon has is too big, barring a mishap.


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