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Wonrek - on 21 Nov 2017
Just got the participants brief through this morning, the sh*t is starting to get very real again!

Anyone else entered here?
bone - on 21 Nov 2017
In reply to Wonrek:

Holy shit! Just read the blurb & it sounds an amazing adventure. Tough as rawhide but a real challenge. Good luck! Don't spoke u know if there's still spaces available?
yorkshireman - on 21 Nov 2017
In reply to Wonrek:

Absolute best of luck, and serious respect. Definitely not a small undertaking. Needless to say I've not entered!
Ridge - on 21 Nov 2017
In reply to Wonrek:

It's arduous enough 'spot watching' on the PC!

Respect, looks like one hell of an adventure.
dread-i - on 22 Nov 2017
In reply to Wonrek:

Good effort.

And just remember that, not matter how hard, or cold, or miserable it gets, we'll all be here for you. In the warm. Drinking tea. Eating cake.
;-)
Wonrek - on 22 Nov 2017
In reply to bone: Always places available......signing up???
Wonrek - on 22 Nov 2017
In reply to dread-i:

That will be a huge comfort to me, on an exposed moor in the dark with sub zero winds howling around me........yes, that'll make me feel much better ;-)
bone - on 22 Nov 2017
In reply to Wonrek:

It's way too hardcore for me. I fancy giving it a go north to south in the summer but doing that in the winter deserves huge respect. I've passed details on to my bro-in-law who loves pain & hardship. Again, best of luck!
BusyLizzie on 22 Nov 2017
In reply to Wonrek:

Just amazing. Been reading your blogs ... wow! I shall be cheering for you.
r0b on 22 Nov 2017
In reply to Wonrek:

Did the Challenger last year, that's enough for me! Good luck, and I'll add you to my dot watch list
Ridge - on 22 Nov 2017
In reply to BusyLizzie:

> Just amazing. Been reading your blogs ... wow! I shall be cheering for you.

+1. Really nice read, also inspirational as I'm currently nursing a duff knee and and a knackered achilles. Can't wait to get back to doing some running.
Fredt on 10 Jan 2018
In reply to Wonrek:

4 more sleeps...
Welsh Kate - on 10 Jan 2018
Wainers44 - on 10 Jan 2018
In reply to Wonrek:
Very best of luck. I'll be watching your dot carefully!!!
L gazonk - on 11 Jan 2018
In reply to Wonrek:

Awesome, I never knew about this race. I now want sum. Is it hard to get entry?

DinoF - on 12 Jan 2018
In reply to Wonrek:

Good luck, Sharon! Will be there to watch the start on Sunday.

Think entry for 2019 opens next month, gazonk. It doesn't fill up quickly!

 

Wonrek - on 12 Jan 2018
In reply to DinoF:

Thank you! Number 219 is aiming to entertain all the way to KY!

DinoF - on 12 Jan 2018
In reply to Wonrek:

You'll be in my favourites list

Iain Thow - on 12 Jan 2018
In reply to Wonrek:

Weather-wise it looks like you're getting a couple of decent days to start then monday night to tuesday night gets snowy.

Good luck, I'm impressed with anyone who enters this.

 

Wonrek - on 12 Jan 2018
In reply to Iain Thow:

Goth the snowshoes packed!

Tall Clare - on 12 Jan 2018
In reply to Wonrek:

Will be watching and if I'm around as you pass though Gargrave I'll be there to cheer you on again - though VERY glad to not be supporting Iain this year as a) no support allowed, and b) I'm making him go to Tenerife next week instead

 

Dave Todd - on 12 Jan 2018
In reply to Wonrek:

Best of luck!  I'm excited with the prospect of watching the dots moving slowly up my screen, can't imagine how exciting it must be to be actually competing!  Fingers crossed for you!

SebCa - on 13 Jan 2018
In reply to Wonrek:

Fair play, the ultimate adventure. If anyone has any strava links could you update the thread please?

 

Thanks 

Rampikino - on 13 Jan 2018
In reply to Wonrek:

Did I read this correctly? The Pennine away in 60 hours???

 

edit - or is it 7*24 = 168 hours?

Post edited at 13:40
Iain Thow - on 13 Jan 2018
In reply to Rampikino:

It's 60 hrs for the Challenger Race, which started at 8 this morning and finishes at Hardraw in Wensleydale. Leaders are just coming up to the M62, which is nipping on a bit.

The main Spine racers start tomorrow and have a week to get to Kirk Yetholm.

Post edited at 14:45
Welsh Kate - on 13 Jan 2018
In reply to Iain Thow:

Leaders are almost at Tod now, they're motoring!

r0b on 13 Jan 2018
In reply to Welsh Kate:

They are going very quick. Challenger record could go this year; forecast is fine all the way until the leaders will finish mid morning to lunchtime tomorrow. I was only just crossing the Isle of Skye road this time last year!! We did have snow though

Lion Bakes on 13 Jan 2018
In reply to Iain Thow:

Current record for whole route is 65 hours. Done in 1989 but not in Winter! 

 

griffer boy - on 14 Jan 2018
In reply to Lion Bakes:

Very disappointed, I live on the pennine way and this year they are not coming along it, instead using the road in the village...... 

mountainbagger - on 11:24 Sun
In reply to r0b:

> They are going very quick. Challenger record could go this year

I think you have just been proved right! Unless my maths is wrong, Wouter Huitzing has come first well under the 28 hour record! Amazing!

Pretty sure Simon Bourne in second place was also quicker than the previous record!

Great stuff... more to come I'm sure

sg - on 12:19 Sun
In reply to mountainbagger:

Yeah, awesomely impressive just going through so quickly in that challenger race. Interesting start to the main race now too with that group heading out in front and Carol Morgan taking no prisoners so far...

Post edited at 12:26
Michael Hood - on 12:29 Sun
In reply to Wonrek:

Umm, so that I can follow the appropriate dot, what's Wonrek's name or number?

It's all very impressive, I'm sure plenty of psychologists would have a field day studying the participant's masochistic streaks

mbh - on 12:37 Sun
In reply to Michael Hood:

In her blog on her profile, Wonrek says "Shazza's adventures in the ultra running world.."

I think that narrows it down to one.

(and Wonrek gave her number earlier in the thread: 219)

Go Wonrek!

 

Post edited at 12:59
Iain Thow - on 12:56 Sun
In reply to mountainbagger:

That's quite some  going, 108 hill miles in not that much over a day. Cracking stuff.

The New NickB - on 13:06 Sun
In reply to Lion Bakes:

My club had a go at the relay record in our centenary year (1994), they did 34 hours and 15 minutes. 

Welsh Kate - on 13:10 Sun
In reply to griffer boy:

If that's the bit I think you mean, a few runners have taken the hypoteneuse of the Pennine Way section rather than the two sides of the road section. One of my MRT team-mates has done that, hope they don't get too badly penalised for it!

Michael Hood - on 13:27 Sun
In reply to mbh:

Ta, hadn't noticed her telling us her number

BusyLizzie on 14:00 Sun
In reply to Wonrek:

Woo, Wonrek, I can see your red dot! Go girl!!

Welsh Kate - on 23:27 Sun

My Central Beacons MRT team-mate Rob Smith has just won the MRT Challenger - massive congratulations to him! 

Heavy rain in places tonight - I think the Challengers have been lucky with the conditions this year, think the full Spine racers will have classic Pennine winter weather now.

 

Ridge - on 06:26 Mon
In reply to Welsh Kate:

Sharon's just heading back out of Hebden Bridge CP. Go Wonrek!

mountainbagger - on 10:03 Mon
In reply to sg:

I think Jim Mann got to the Challenger finish (Hawes) in just under 25 hours???

Unless I'm missing something, he appears to have run that faster than the winner of the Challenger (who was 25 hours 44 minutes)! Wow.

Iain Thow - on 10:27 Mon
In reply to mountainbagger:

Great going that, isn't it. Just heard that Eugeni della Sole has dropped out, by the way, so only 2 of the Three Amigos left now.

Welsh Kate - on 10:55 Mon
In reply to Iain Thow:

Looks like they've dropped the climb up Pen y Ghent because of weather conditions.

Iain Thow - on 11:41 Mon
In reply to Iain Thow:

I gather Eugeni dropped out because both his GPSs failed. A Pennine Way map (the Footprint one?) should have solved that (or pair up with someone?)

Iain Thow - on 12:02 Mon
In reply to Welsh Kate:

Bet it's pretty windy going up the front of it so maybe a good plan. 

Ridge - on 12:12 Mon
In reply to mountainbagger:

The pace this year is incredible. Jim Mann has really pushed it so far, hope he hasn't gone too hard too early.

Moley on 12:18 Mon
In reply to Ridge:

Jim does seem to like going out hard, saw it on the Dragons Back the first day or two - but then he made navigational errors!

His thinking may be to go hard and get miles behind him before the weather turns really rough? All sorts can happen over these miles, terrain and weather, but hope he does it.

Welsh Kate - on 12:34 Mon
In reply to Moley:

Yes, my thought was he's trying to get as many miles in before the weather turns.

He made a navigational error last night (but so did Eoin), there may be more to come!

Chris the Tall - on 12:43 Mon
In reply to Moley:

It's amazing that the same people are up at the front year after year - you'd think once would be enough for anyone !

I remember last year Tom Hollins was quite a way back half-way through the race, but made it up at the end by the simple expedient of not sleeping until approx 56 seconds after reaching the finish.

Once again I'm just in awe of anyone doing this sort of challenge at any time of year, let alone mid winter

 

 

Iain Thow - on 12:49 Mon
In reply to Welsh Kate:

People on Penyghent now.

r0b on 13:23 Mon
In reply to Iain Thow:

Nav has always been Eugeni's achilles heel; last couple of years he has basically shadowed Pavel for as long as possible so he didn't need to do any nav.

I took some photos on Laddow Rocks yesterday, here are the first four at that point:

https://twitter.com/misforturob/status/952587134124331008

Iain Thow - on 14:10 Mon
In reply to r0b:

Yes, one of the doctors told me more or less the same thing - and he made a foul up pretty soon after they split up too. Seems a strange thing for an Ultra runner to be poor at.

Nice pics, with the best bivvy spot in the Peak as a backdrop.

Iain Thow - on 14:58 Mon
In reply to Welsh Kate:

Looks like Jim's really blasting it out again, If the dots are right he's at Tan Hill and Eoin is still at Keld. Quite a big gap to open in a short time (they were nearly together at Thwaite)

Ridge - on 15:45 Mon
In reply to Welsh Kate:

I'm astounded by Jim Mann's pace. I thought he'd maybe pushed it too hard as he rested at Hawes and Eoin carried on through, but he sprinted away from CP2 and is back in the lead.

r0b on 16:26 Mon
In reply to Ridge:

On the facebook live video Jim Mann looked fantastic running out of Hardraw, amazing.

Michael Hood - on 17:31 Mon
In reply to r0b: am I right in thinking that he's done half in less than 36 hours?

I don't suppose he'll be able to maintain it but he must still be a good bet for breaking the race record.

 

Chris the Tall - on 18:20 Mon
In reply to Michael Hood:

He currently has a lead of around 4 miles, but the expression "It's a marathon not a sprint" has never been more apt.

Tom Hollins has only just left Hawes - 30 miles behind, but well rested perhaps

sg - on 18:23 Mon
In reply to Chris the Tall:

The obvious variety of different strategies makes for a fascinating race. That current lead pace is unbelievable and surely unsustainable but the way he's going at the moment Jim could have a really decent sleep around Dufton or Alston and still be in the lead!

Iain Thow - on 20:40 Mon
In reply to Chris the Tall:

That strategy paid off for Tom last year, so maybe again? The weather has to be the joker in the pack though, and I guess the further Jim's got before the snow hits tomorrow the more value his lead has.

r0b on 21:45 Mon
In reply to Michael Hood:

Yes. Middleton is a little over halfway and he got there in just under 36 hours.

Jim Mann still looks fantastically fresh considering, and if there is proper winter weather you'd have to think with his multiple winter BG/PB/RR runs he has more winter experience than the other front runners.

Chris the Tall - on 23:09 Mon
In reply to r0b:

Have just seen the weather forecast - not exactly pleasant tomorrow but Weds looks appalling.

Wainers44 - on 07:38 Tue
In reply to Wonrek:

Almost through 100 miles. Great stuff...keep going!!

Michael Hood - on 12:15 Tue
In reply to Welsh Kate:

Looks like some navigational errors up on top but I think the weather might be a bit appalling, probably white outs during any actual snow "showers".

Wonrek also seemed to be on a bit of a walkabout coming down into Horton.

From the comfort of our homes we can wonder how such easy mistakes are made but it's so easy to forget just how differently our brains (don't) work under extreme tiredness and appalling weather conditions. I take my hat off to all of them, nutters

Iain Thow - on 12:59 Tue
In reply to Michael Hood:

I think Kate's earlier comment is right and the organisers were diverting people round Penyghent (although at least one person still went over it if the dots are right). It's pretty unpleasant when the showers hit the tops in the Peak at the moment and it seems to be worse further north, loads of credit to all those still running, good on them.

BusyLizzie on 14:50 Tue
In reply to Wonrek:

I'm just awe-struck by this ... never followed it before.

Welsh Kate - on 14:57 Tue
In reply to Michael Hood:

I was messaging yesterday with one of our guys who was on the MRT Challenger; he had to drop out at Hebden Bridge because of injury, but he said the pain from that distracted him from the nav. and he had a bit of a mare, getting lost. The combination of sleep deprivation, pain and weather conditions must be very debilitating. I think it was last year someone's tracker showed they got hopelessly confused trying to get out of Greenhead and tried every direction, losing a huge amount of time. It's vicariously painful also watching the struggle the competitors are fighting. I'm constantly in awe of them.

Tall Clare - on 15:00 Tue
In reply to Michael Hood:

My husband did the Challenger last year in much more benign conditions and even then said that he was hallucinating on the final stretch along the Cam Road into Hawes. They're all utterly crackers - and the weather's much worse this year.

Chris the Tall - on 15:21 Tue
In reply to Wonrek:

Looks like Jim Mann has retired whilst in second place, had been slowing down noticeably on the way into Alston and had been overtaken by Eoin Keith.

IIRC Keith was the guy who broke/sprained his ankle on Kinder last year, but still continued for some distance

 

Iain Thow - on 15:23 Tue
In reply to Welsh Kate:

Absolutely. Navigating in the dark in rubbish weather on bugger all sleep when totally knackered, it's a wonder any of them get there at all.

Jim Mann has just retired with an injury, incidentally. He's at Alston, "OK but unable to continue" according to FB. Real shame after such a great first half.

Looks like Eoin's race to lose now (or is it?)

PS Well done to Wonrek for making it to Hawes, well within a time that would have counted for the Challenger.

 

Post edited at 15:28
r0b on 15:31 Tue
In reply to Chris the Tall:

A real shame as Jim had really made the race upto this point.

Eoin broke a rib last year by falling and landing on his GPS which was hanging round his neck.

Michael Hood - on 17:41 Tue
In reply to BusyLizzie:

Now you know about it, you'll be following it every year unless you end up taking part.

It's very compelling.

Andrew Lodge - on 18:08 Tue
In reply to Wonrek:

I've got no work done all day as a result of watching this!!

Stringy - on 18:35 Tue

I have discovered the Spine Race thanks to this thread and I hooked! Incredible effort by everyone involved especially with the current weather. Great Dun Fell, Cross Fell etc are in clear view from where I live and I keep nipping outside to see if the weather has cleared so I might see a torch up on the fells - very exciting.

Michael Hood - on 22:53 Tue
In reply to Andrew Lodge:

That is the problem

Henry Iddon - on 00:30 Wed
In reply to Wonrek:

A ridiculous event. 

Darren Jackson - on 00:55 Wed
In reply to Henry Iddon:

Go on then... Why?

Ridge - on 06:28 Wed
In reply to Thread:

Looks like Sharon's tucked up at Tan Hill according to the tracker. At least the next bits downhill...

Chris the Tall - on 08:17 Wed
In reply to Ridge:

Looks like she’s left the pub now - bet that took some effort !

Tall Clare - on 09:37 Wed
In reply to Ridge:

She posted a video from the TH Inn on Facebook - she was looking pretty cheerful, the massive weirdo. Said conditions were 'hard'. 

Iain Thow - on 10:03 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

Tough cookie. Go Wonrek!

Lots of kudos to the bunch who crossed over High Cup Nick or Cross Fell last night too, must have been pretty nasty going.

Tall Clare - on 10:09 Wed
In reply to Iain Thow:

Wonrek mentioned waist deep snow on Great Shunner Fell - any high ground must have been horrendous. Still, as the competitors keep saying in the Spine videos on FB, that's what they signed up for. I did wince at the thought of the chap who had to be chipped out of his iced-up shoes.

Iain Thow - on 10:45 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

Waist deep snow is tough at any time, never mind in big winds in the middle of the night!

Bet John Knapp's hot aches must have been quite something - I once spent an hour walking round and round a friend's flat wincing with hot aches thawing out after an epically snowy trip out from Glen Affric (lost several toe nails in the end).

Chris the Tall - on 10:51 Wed
In reply to Iain Thow:

> Looks like Eoin's race to lose now (or is it?)

I think his lead is dwindling - down to c90 mins coming into Bellingham. Both he and PP are on the move now - the gap is just over 3 miles

Iain Thow - on 11:06 Wed
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Exit pursued by a bear?

r0b on 11:07 Wed
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Eoin seems to have turned around and is heading back towards Bellingham!

Toccata on 11:19 Wed
In reply to Wonrek:

Trailbreaking must be hard. Is he waiting for Pavel?

r0b on 11:22 Wed
In reply to Toccata:

I thought maybe that was what he was doing but they seem to have crossed paths without much of a pause. He should be back at the CP soon, I guess we'll find out then

r0b on 11:27 Wed
In reply to Toccata:

This was just posted on Pavel's FB page: " Pavel Paloncý made 18 minutes long stop at CP5 Bellingham. At the moment he met Eoin Keith - Athlete heading back to CP5 he said "for safety reasons" without any detailed information (maybe he forgot some gear???). For Pavel it means he is the firtst runner in the race since now on! He is feeling well, had a couple of problems during the night - by accident he reseted his GPS, then his map was blown away so he was just using his cell phone to navigate through the plains and swamps covered with snow. But now he is feeling well and want to push hard all the way to the finish line. If everything goes well, he could be there around midnight (GMT)."

Darren Jackson - on 11:32 Wed
In reply to r0b:

Blimey!

Tall Clare - on 12:14 Wed
In reply to r0b:

He nipped back for his snowshoes (apparently a necessity for this bit) and is back out again. 

Welsh Kate - on 12:20 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

Glad it wasn't an injury. Wonder if this tactical decision will pay off?

Chris the Tall - on 12:33 Wed
In reply to Welsh Kate:

> Glad it wasn't an injury. Wonder if this tactical decision will pay off?

What's an extra 7 miles in a race of 270 !

Poor bloke must be kicking himself

Ridge - on 12:38 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

> Wonrek mentioned waist deep snow on Great Shunner Fell - any high ground must have been horrendous. Still, as the competitors keep saying in the Spine videos on FB, that's what they signed up for. I did wince at the thought of the chap who had to be chipped out of his iced-up shoes.

On the plus side Tom Hollins found a Greggs open en route for sustenance.

I have the Pie eating side of training covered, so it's only zero fitness and lack of mental and physical toughness that's holding me back from entering next year...

Ian W - on 13:10 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

> Wonrek mentioned waist deep snow on Great Shunner Fell - any high ground must have been horrendous. Still, as the competitors keep saying in the Spine videos on FB, that's what they signed up for. I did wince at the thought of the chap who had to be chipped out of his iced-up shoes.

And they are certainly not going to be disappointed in Northumberland over the next 24 hours. Conditions are currently "difficult" at the moment up these parts, and judging from the forecasts, are going to become "very difficult" overnight. Driving around Alston Fell is currently "interesting and entertaining", and will be very "interesting and entertaining" in the forecast heavy snows and high winds.

 

shuffle - on 13:32 Wed
In reply to Ian W:

Pavel's girlfriend has just posted that he is in waist deep snow on the approach to Padon Hill. Given how tall he is, that is going to be chest deep for some of the competitors!

Iain Thow - on 14:10 Wed
In reply to shuffle:

Sounds like Eoin's snowshoes could pay off.

shuffle - on 14:12 Wed
In reply to Iain Thow:

indeed! It seems Pavel has also continued over Padon Hill instead of following the diversion at this point which is going to cost him some serious time!

Iain Thow - on 14:17 Wed
In reply to shuffle:

So now it's Eoin chasing the Bear, is Eoin Greg Boswell in disguise?

Toccata on 14:30 Wed
In reply to Wonrek:

Is that a GPS error or is Eoin heading back down again?

shuffle - on 14:33 Wed
In reply to Toccata:

looks like Eoin has been picked up in a vehicle and returned to the Bellingham checkpoint

Tall Clare - on 14:34 Wed
In reply to shuffle:

I've just seen an FB post saying kit check fail disqualification for two people - not sure if he's one of them.

shuffle - on 14:39 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

I think (though not 100%) that this will be two competitors who have been stopped from leaving Dufton because they don't have goggles. 

 

Tall Clare - on 14:42 Wed
In reply to shuffle:

That would make sense. Another FB post says Eoin's out - from a friend working on the event. It would seem surprising for someone of his previous experience to fail a kit check.

 

shuffle - on 14:45 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

yes, I would be very surprised that he would risk that.

I've been working on the safety team too, but have had to return to work for some meetings. I'm here in body, but concentration levels are pretty low right now!

Tall Clare - on 14:51 Wed
In reply to shuffle:

Here's the video of Eoin in the car - exhaustion: https://www.facebook.com/TheSpineRace/videos/1796684193752601/

 

Iain Thow - on 14:53 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

Eoin has been quoted as saying "I didn't want to cause a safety problem".

Conditions are obviously atrocious.

On the plus side, looks like Wonrek's reached Middleton in plenty of time for the 8pm cut off.

Post edited at 15:01
Tall Clare - on 14:54 Wed
In reply to Iain Thow:

Sensible man. They're all mad for doing it, but I hope they all remain safe. 

Iain Thow - on 15:02 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

Absolutely. I'm hugely impressed with the lot of them.

Henry Iddon - on 15:37 Wed
In reply to Darren Jackson:

Why not have  rule that you have to wear shorts, or do it on a pogo stick. Such events are less about athletic ability and more about wanting to do 'harder' or 'harder' events. When does that end ?  This notion of being 'hard' seems ever pervasive and all about 'bragging rights' - as an athletic event it seems pointless.

 

Tall Clare - on 15:46 Wed
In reply to Henry Iddon:

There's also an undeniable aspect about the expense of such events, both in the entry fees (which cover the safety teams etc) and the amount of kit required. 

kathrync - on 15:54 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

> There's also an undeniable aspect about the expense of such events, both in the entry fees (which cover the safety teams etc) and the amount of kit required. 

Eoin comments on his blog that he is glad that the Spine race is unsupported this year - I guess this does even the field a little from a cost perspective:

"From an overall race perspective there are few notable differences this year. The first is that the race is now entirely unsupported, with no-body allowed their own support crew. I’m all in favour of that, as there was a danger of a support crew arms race breaking out, which would have made the race a very expensive proposition indeed."

Chris the Tall - on 15:54 Wed
In reply to Henry Iddon:

Strikes that it's not an "athletic event" but an "endurance event" in which mental toughness (aka sheer stubbornness) counts more than athletic ability. I don't see any of these amazing endurance feats we see now as being about bragging rights - it's more a question of people starting to realise that whilst they can't necessarily go much faster, they can can go much much further. It's a classic human trait taken in a different direction  

Moley on 15:55 Wed
In reply to shuffle:

I hope Pavel manages to see it through (and win), he's one big, tough guy, must have one hell of an engine to drive that body of his. Possibly an advantage in these conditions, strength not speed will be needed to reach the finish.

Tall Clare - on 15:57 Wed
In reply to kathrync:

I'd seen other discussions along those lines. There's still the matter of £750 entry fee and probably £1000+ on kit (if one is a first timer at this distance/scale) - as a friend pointed out today, competitors might spend £100 on lithium batteries alone. Small fry compared to e.g. cycling, but a limited playing field nonetheless.

Chris the Tall - on 15:58 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

I rather suspect that having to retrace his steps broke him mentally - or rather was the final straw. Very hard to take something like that in your stride (no pun intended)

Henry Iddon - on 16:05 Wed
In reply to Chris the Tall:

I could see at as a reasonable summer event - but holding it winter just seems to add nothing - other than a perceived 'hardness' factor. Would the result be much different if the same field raced in the summer ? 

A summer event would have a broader appeal, both to participants, the media and an audience.

Re mental toughness -  any sporting event requires mental toughness / stubbornness. I'd suggest it's probably harder to train and complete a sub 2'30 marathon than this daft event !!!! 

If the competitors in this event want to decide who is the toughest why not just sit and poke pins in each others eyes !

That said each their own :/

 

Post edited at 16:09
Will Hunt - on 16:07 Wed
In reply to Henry Iddon:

If you accept the notion that people might like to attempt things which they find so difficult that they might not succeed; and if you accept that some people will have developed a very high level of fitness and endurance, such that it takes an event like the Spine Race to challenge them, then it's actually not ridiculous at all.

 

Just because you are incapable of something, that doesn't mean to say that the other people who are capable of it are ridiculous.

Henry Iddon - on 16:15 Wed
In reply to Will Hunt:

I'm not sure what gives you the impression I'd be incapable of such an event,  which isn't relevant to the discussion anyway .

Equally there's no reason why someone couldn't attempt a Pennine Way winter record as an individual - just as happens with the Bob Graham / Paddy Buckley etc. That's an entirely different thing than an organised event / race.

kathrync - on 16:18 Wed
In reply to Henry Iddon:

> A summer event would have a broader appeal, both to participants, the media and an audience.

There is a summer event - the Spine Fusion: https://thespinerace.com/events/2018/1/14/montane-spine-race-5gsj5-86ezg-cwbl4

kathrync - on 16:20 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

> I'd seen other discussions along those lines. There's still the matter of £750 entry fee and probably £1000+ on kit (if one is a first timer at this distance/scale) - as a friend pointed out today, competitors might spend £100 on lithium batteries alone. Small fry compared to e.g. cycling, but a limited playing field nonetheless.

Yes, racing on this scale is a little different in terms of cost from the 10 km and half marathons that I do.

Actually it is a little different in terms of, well, everything!

r0b on 16:34 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

You don't need to spend anything like that amount on kit. Well, maybe if you've never stepped outside a city before but for most outdoorsy people they will already have most of what is needed. Think I spent £7 on lithium batteries for the challenger last year!

r0b on 16:37 Wed
In reply to Henry Iddon:

Interestingly they put on the same event in summer for the first time last year and it got far fewer entrants than the winter event. The photos and videos of Spiners coming through the snow in winter has captured the imagination of many. Obviously not you though!

Tall Clare - on 16:38 Wed
In reply to r0b:

My husband did the Challenger last year too - already had a lot of kit but did need more. Didn't spend that much but not far off (v. fancy lightweight winter sleeping bag mostly to blame, also used on bikepacking trips...). He's a gear freak though.

Tall Clare - on 16:39 Wed
In reply to Will Hunt:

It is an aside, as he says, but Henry's the wrong man to level accusations of inadequacy at. He's done more than most on this site...

alicia - on 17:05 Wed
In reply to Henry Iddon:

> I could see at as a reasonable summer event - but holding it winter just seems to add nothing - other than a perceived 'hardness' factor. Would the result be much different if the same field raced in the summer ? 

> A summer event would have a broader appeal, both to participants, the media and an audience.

> Re mental toughness -  any sporting event requires mental toughness / stubbornness. I'd suggest it's probably harder to train and complete a sub 2'30 marathon than this daft event !!!! 

> If the competitors in this event want to decide who is the toughest why not just sit and poke pins in each others eyes !

> That said each their own :/

Do you think Usain Bolt slags off 2:30 marathoners for just jogging round a pointlessly long and hard course...?

Henry Iddon - on 17:57 Wed
In reply to alicia:

I'm not 'slagging any one off' and I've no issue with ultra distance events - UTMB, Lakes Ultra,  etc etc - but there comes a point when event organisers are after the 'world's toughest tag' that things become so contrived and niche as to be irrelevant.

As I said previously each to their own.

alicia - on 18:45 Wed
In reply to Henry Iddon:

I get what you’re saying, it’s just that contrived and niche is all relative. Is climbing an E8 to get to the top of the crag contrived, if you could go up a VDiff instead? Or is climbing contrived full stop, if you could walk around the back of the crag to get to the top?  Trying to run the Spine in the winter is just one variation on the challenge of trying to run it in the summer.

As for the race progress, just saw it was suspended, presumably due to weather. Which seems quite a shame given that bad weather is pretty much an essential part of the race! I remember a few years ago there was an issue where they were making people stop and wait in a van midrace due to weather. I’m always tempted by this race but really wish they’d sort out these sorts of issues and most likely won’t enter until they do. There are races that go through far worse weather, so it’s not as if stopping the race is required. 

Tall Clare - on 18:51 Wed
In reply to alicia:

>  I’m always tempted by this race but really wish they’d sort out these sorts of issues and most likely won’t enter until they do. There are races that go through far worse weather, so it’s not as if stopping the race is required. 

That's interesting - what do you reckon their reasoning is, given that, as you say, other races carry on?

alicia - on 18:56 Wed
In reply to Tall Clare:

I don’t really know; could be any combination of having bought a bit too much into their own hype and convinced themselves that the weather is at the edge of extreme, poor communication among the organizers leading them to err on the side of safety, a strong fear of having an “incident “ that requires mountain rescue, a lack of confidence in the sufficiency of their required kit list, and/or...??

 Looks great fun if/when the race actually goes off without a hitch though!

r0b on 19:06 Wed
In reply to alicia:

The race organisation need to consider the safety of both the racers and also all the support staff and safety teams. It won't be a decision that was made lightly. Either myself or friends have been involved in every running of the Spine and I think this is only the second time it has been paused, the other being in 2015.

alicia - on 19:15 Wed
In reply to r0b:

They do need to consider everyone’s safety, but the time for considering that is before the event begins. If they can’t have a proper plan in place for bad weather, which is all but guaranteed, then they shouldn’t be offering places in the race.  I thought the decision to have racers stop and wait in a van (not sure if that was 2015 or a different year) was especially poor. The fastest way to give a cold wet runner hypothermia is to have them stop motionless in a van for a few hours and then get going again!

That’s not to say that I think putting on a race like this is easy; I know it’s not. But for the stakes involved, it needs to be done right.

 

Deleted bagger - on 19:32 Wed
In reply to Iain Thow:

Evenin' Iain, 

The event has kept me entertained whilst I've been in bed with the flu.

Iain Thow - on 19:40 Wed
In reply to Deleted bagger:

Addictive dot following in the gaps at work in my case. Get well soon. Give me a buzz if you fancy a hill night once you're recovered.

r0b on 20:25 Wed
In reply to alicia:

What evidence do you have that it isn't being done right? As a past competitor, and with one of my best friends currently at the top of Cross Fell, I have every confidence in the decisions that the organisers are making.

Moley on 20:53 Wed
In reply to alicia:

You need to look at the race from the perspective of the organiser, who has a duty of care to every participant and helper and in the event of a tragedy, their every decision will be questioned and require explaining.

I don't know the area of the race nor current conditions (I'm in Wales with not a hint of snow) but gather they are grim and forecast bad. Whatever equipment contestants are carrying for conditions there is a limit to how long it would protect them in event of an accident when immensely tired and drained.

If they have an accident (or simply bonk and go hypothermic) they have to be extracted. The organiser has to know this is possible within a reasonable time, can the MRT reach them, are roads going to be closed to snow, will it endanger MRT volunteers? 

All this has to be considered. I've done some marshalling, including 3 Dragons Backs and race organisers have my utmost respect, it's a tough job always under scrutiny.

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Chris the Tall - on 20:59 Wed
In reply to alicia:

I’m guessing you are too young to remember the fastnet disaster.

Given the reported conditions on the ground, the terrain and the weather forecast for the next few hours, sounds to me like a very sensible decision to pause the race for a few hours.

Darren Jackson - on 21:02 Wed
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> I’m guessing you are too young to remember the fastnet disaster.

The one where Ted Heath ran aground at the Tan Hill Inn? 

 

alicia - on 21:03 Wed

Rob and Moley, all of what you bring up are important considerations, and all of those considerations can and should be addressed *before* putting on an event of this type.

Absolutely agree that it’s a tough job.  

Ian W - on 21:05 Wed
In reply to Moley:

The weather is bloody awful up here at the moment, and im not even up in the hills (lower weardale). Hill forecast overnight is for heavy snow, winds of 45 - 60mph, wind chill -20 to -25. I wouldn't fancy it much...........

Wainers44 - on 21:08 Wed
In reply to alicia:

> Rob and Moley, all of what you bring up are important considerations, and all of those considerations can and should be addressed *before* putting on an event of this type.

> Absolutely agree that it’s a tough job.  

Don't think anyone is disagreeing with you in principal. Hindsight of every conceivable outcome is always easier afterwards though

alicia - on 21:09 Wed
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> the reported conditions on the ground, the terrain and the weather forecast for the next few hours, 

It’s January in the Pennines. If you’re stopping your race because of this, it means you didn’t prepare properly. I know that sounds harsh but being a race director is a particularly hard job.

davepembs - on 21:39 Wed
In reply to alicia:

I think you'll find these issues were addressed before the event was put on. The organisers would have risk assessed for just this eventuality and have put their plan for it into action now. Not quite sure what you're getting at. If you read the race rules you'll see this is exactly what they said would happen if the weather was as extreme as this.

The New NickB - on 21:42 Wed
In reply to Henry Iddon:

The cynic in me will tell you that nobody makes any money out of the Bob Graham or Paddy Buckley. On the other hand, despite dabbling in ultras, I’ve no real interest in this event, but plenty people are interested, otherwise it wouldn’t happen.

Post edited at 21:45
BusyLizzie on 22:11 Wed
In reply to Wonrek:

So .. what happens now? The race clock is still running, everyone catches up with each other at the check points... then they all set off again when it re-starts?

Welsh Kate - on 22:22 Wed
In reply to Iain Thow:

Just seen on Facebook that Wonrek is running this to raise funds for Cornwall Search and Rescue. If you fancy supporting her, here's the linky!

https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/shazza-doesthespine

In terms of the race being suspended - there's a good number of them sheltering in  Greg's Hut, should imagine it's quite snug in there!

sg - on 22:58 Wed
In reply to Henry Iddon:

> I'm not 'slagging any one off' and I've no issue with ultra distance events - UTMB, Lakes Ultra,  etc etc - but there comes a point when event organisers are after the 'world's toughest tag' that things become so contrived and niche as to be irrelevant.

Kind of agree about the whole 'world's toughest' thing, but I really don't think that's what attracts most of the competitors or, indeed, most of us admiring armchair spectators. To me it isn't at all a contrived challenge; it's actually very pure. Start at one of the Pennine Way (a splendidly pure route in itself) and get to the other as quickly as you can; not having support adds to the purity of it. There are plenty of ultras that seem much more contrived not least because you could absolutely do them individually with a minimum of support, if you so wished. But this would actually take plenty of support to set up individually given the end-to-end logistics of it.

I'm not aware of any other event in Britain (not that I'm an expert mind) that gets the same level of interest even though they may well have been going longer and I don't think that's just because of the endurance difficulty. Doing it in winter just makes it more compelling because it adds the uncertainty of completion and tests the competitors' mountaincraft all the more. Sorry, long reply.

 

jayme - on 05:26 Thu
In reply to Wonrek:

Race starts again at 0600

 

more dot watching

summo on 05:53 Thu
In reply to alicia:

I'd say the weather is a tad worse than normal. The road closures over the previous 48hrs don't happen every week in January, every year. 

They will have been in touch and taken advice from all the mrts en route, just to eliminate any false call outs from the public reporting lights on the hills etc..

Unless you change the route, your road crossings and CPs are set in stone. I'd say they've done a reasonable job in what is an 'adventure' race. I'd reserve judgement and speak to some people next week who are currently racing it. 

Ridge - on 06:22 Thu
In reply to Wonrek:

Tom Hollins has a 3 hour penalty for a 'kit discrepancy'.

Tall Clare - on 07:37 Thu

Here's a shocker - one of my husband's friends, who's competing, posted that someone turned up at (I think) Greg's Hut last night and, yes, asked to borrow a sleeping bag. Because obviously someone else might have been carrying a spare, just in case...! I think they might have been disqualified...

 

Post edited at 07:39
Andy Hardy on 07:44 Thu
In reply to Darren Jackson:

Nearly, he was able to stand to, but only by tossing a couple of big buoys off the leeward side.

Michael Hood - on 07:54 Thu
In reply to Ridge:

Details? I thought missing essential gear usually means disqualification. Time penalties are usually to redress where there's been an unfair advantage.

And does that get added on at the end or does he have to stand around for 3 hours?

Post edited at 07:56
Chris the Tall - on 08:30 Thu
In reply to jayme:

Looks like Pavel is still at the checkpoint- anyone got a clue as to why ?

Ian W - on 08:34 Thu
In reply to summo:

> I'd say the weather is a tad worse than normal. The road closures over the previous 48hrs don't happen every week in January, every year. 

Fair understatement, there, Summo.

Seems a fair judgement call halting proceedings overnight, as the weather up these parts last night was really, really bad. Drifting snow, 45 - 60mph winds, wind chill below -20, terrible underfoot. Much calmer this morning, more snow looking VERY likely, but very light winds only and temps back up at about +2 (in towns lower down at least).

Post edited at 08:34
Ridge - on 09:03 Thu
In reply to Michael Hood:

Dunno. He's set off with the other two, so must have to make it up and arrive over 3 hours before everyone else to win.

No details about the missing kit on the Montane feeds. Spare undies?

Ridge - on 09:05 Thu
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> Looks like Pavel is still at the checkpoint- anyone got a clue as to why ?

Just lazy ;-)

The others will take a while to reach byreness through fresh snow, so maybe getting the zzz's in and scoffing everything in sight. He's away now though.

Toccata on 09:11 Thu
In reply to Wonrek:

Pavel's going to be trailbreaking over the tops and with the next 2 only 9 miles behind (with one+3hrs), working together, there's still a race on.

Niek - on 09:13 Thu
In reply to Ridge:

Held for a "kit discrepancy" for 3 hours apparently.

Welsh Kate - on 10:10 Thu
In reply to Michael Hood:

You can take the penalty when you like - he's had an extra 2 and three quarters hours in bed, and apparently will take the final 15 mins at the end added on to his time.

Tom Hollins got a 3 hour time penalty as well. I'm assuming that these elite runners are doing it deliberately and gambling on getting that extra distance between themselves and other competitors?

r0b on 10:20 Thu
In reply to Tall Clare:

Wow, that's crazy.  My mate was in the gang in Greg's Hut last night too, I'll have to ask him about it.

Shocking that someone would show complete disregard for the race rules over such a critical and potentially life-saving piece of equipment

summo on 10:22 Thu
In reply to Ian W:

> Fair understatement, there, Summo.> Seems a fair judgement call halting proceedings overnight, as the weather up these parts last night was really, really bad. Drifting snow, 45 - 60mph winds, wind chill below -20, terrible underfoot. Much calmer this morning, more snow looking VERY likely, but very light winds only and temps back up at about +2 (in towns lower down at least).

I think if they'd had the weather of the previous 364 days, they wouldn't have to pause the event. Pause, not cancel or abandon, which says something about the competitors, Marshalls and general event planning. At a time when at sea level the police are telling folk not to go outside and teachers across the NE are trapped in their houses (but that's another thread).

kathrync - on 10:27 Thu
In reply to Ridge:

> Dunno. He's set off with the other two, so must have to make it up and arrive over 3 hours before everyone else to win.

Looks like he has dropped out now anyway - full of twists and turns this year!

 

Chris the Tall - on 10:29 Thu
In reply to Toccata:

Wasn't sure if his tactic would be to wait for others, let them share the work, and then hope to be freshest when it came to the final few miles. 

Tall Clare - on 10:40 Thu
In reply to r0b:

Yup - I know for the Challenger last year, my husband was having this argument with a friend who also did it about the level of kit required, and husband's thought was that if (even on the much shorter course) one was to get caught out at night on the tops, you'd want to know you could survive it. Hence the fancy sleeping bag I mentioned further up. His friend, who was a bit more devil may care last year, is fully kitted up this year, and is one of the people who carried on from Greg's hut. He's a bit of a machine but apparently he's 'suffering a bit' today.

Chris the Tall - on 10:57 Thu
In reply to Tall Clare:

Another 2 folk have been given the 3 hour penalty. Do you know what bit of kit they are all missing ?

Tall Clare - on 11:07 Thu
In reply to Chris the Tall:

I think that there's been some debate about what constitutes 'goggles' and that Bolle safety specs, whilst fast n'light, aren't quite going to cut it for blizzard conditions. That's speculation (spec-ulation! see what I did there? <ahem>) though.

Ian W - on 11:14 Thu
In reply to summo:

Indeed. Even 10 days ago it was fairly benign up here, very little snow, no ice, but it changes a bit quickly, and the weather that went across last night was particularly nasty, but over a defined and well predicted time window. For trail running/ winter walking, its actually not bad today; the ski tows in teesdale will be good to go, so for me, the organisers have made a pretty obvious and sensible call to pause the race. Since the weather was always predicted to be ok today, it would have been over the top to call it off completely. 

Will be good to see the reaction of the competitors, but I cant see many of them being too upset. The organisers do appear to know what they are doing.  

Michael Hood - on 12:33 Thu
In reply to Wonrek:

They've detailed the revised cutoffs, I think Wonrek is going to find it tough to make them all.

Hopefully the enforced stop has given everyone a big rest and the ability to go far with little sleep.

Good luck, keep on plugging away.

Ridge - on 12:45 Thu
In reply to Tall Clare:

> I think that there's been some debate about what constitutes 'goggles' and that Bolle safety specs, whilst fast n'light, aren't quite going to cut it for blizzard conditions. That's speculation (spec-ulation! see what I did there? ) though.

Apparently there's a lot of bad feeling at the moment, particularly with some of the French entrants. Some have passed 2 mandatory inspections only to be threatened with disqualification or penalised at this point.

I expect it's a tough call for the inspectors/organisers. Given someones come a long way and paid a fortune one inspector might be persuaded that the very light eyeshield on a bit of elastic is a pair of goggles at the start when conditions are good, but down the line another one has to stop them going out with inadequate kit if the weather turns really bad.

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Welsh Kate - on 13:07 Thu
In reply to Michael Hood:

Yeah, it's going to be really tough for that group at the back, but you could be right about the rest. Pavel's going up the Cheviots really quickly - wonder if he'll be able to sustain that pace at the top!

Chris the Tall - on 13:12 Thu
In reply to Michael Hood:

New cut off times

CP4 (Alston)- 0400 Friday 19th Jan CP5 (Bellingham) - 0400 Saturday 20th Jan CP5.5 (Bryness) - 1200 Saturday 20th Jan - No Change Finish - 0800 Sunday 21st Jan - No Change

I guess it all depends on how deep the snow is - Pavel seems to have been really slowed down - 2 miles in about 90 minutes.

 

Iain Thow - on 15:32 Thu
In reply to Welsh Kate:

Aye, have done. Used to climb down in Cornwall a lot in the 90s, but it's a long way from my present hangouts. Never actually needed them but came across them training a few times.

pasbury on 15:41 Thu
In reply to Chris the Tall:

I've got addicted now! it's quite a big ask for the group at the back (including Wonrek) to get over Cross fell and down to Alston by four o'clock tomorrow morning especially if it's waist deep in snow.

It looks like they're grouping up for mutual support.

summo on 15:45 Thu
In reply to pasbury:

> It looks like they're grouping up for mutual support.

Taking turns breaking trail?

Iain Thow - on 16:00 Thu
In reply to summo:

Would make sense, plus the psychological plus of "all being in it together". As said above though, still a tough ask to make Alston for 4am in the drifts.

Pavel seems to have speeded up recently, maybe the Cheviot skyline is wind scoured and a bit easier going than lower down?

Chris the Tall - on 16:06 Thu
In reply to summo:

> Taking turns breaking trail?

Or moving around like penguins, each taking a turn on the outside of the huddle, exposed to the wind. 

Chris the Tall - on 16:30 Thu
In reply to pasbury:

It must be a daunting prospect but it looks like Wonrek is giving it a go!

Looks like she's set off up Cross Fell in a group of 4. It's only 20 miles to Alston, how hard can it be.....

 

r0b on 16:57 Thu
In reply to Chris the Tall:

I think wonrek has a fair chance of making the cp4 cut off, her group has 12 hours to do Dufton to Alston and the last person across took 10. Hopefully there is a good trail in the snow now! Won't leave much time for sleep at cp4 though

Iain Thow - on 17:10 Thu
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Mass exit from Dufton. Good luck to them.

Pavel is really scooting along the Cheviot ridge now.

Chris the Tall - on 17:31 Thu
In reply to Iain Thow:

Sccoting ? By my reckoning 9 miles has taken him 6 hours - must be pretty tough up there

timjones - on 18:17 Thu
In reply to r0b:

> I think wonrek has a fair chance of making the cp4 cut off, her group has 12 hours to do Dufton to Alston and the last person across took 10. Hopefully there is a good trail in the snow now! Won't leave much time for sleep at cp4 though

Don't you have to leave the CP by the cut off time rather than just reaching it?

I'm watching someone else and thinking that it is going to be tough to get out of Alston by 4am tomorrow.

 

Iain Thow - on 18:51 Thu
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Yes, I bet it's still tough going out there, but he has definitely speeded up after Windy Gyle (3hrs for the last 10k I reckon). My guess is that he's got onto more wind scoured ground on the open ridge. Either that or he can already taste the beer in KY?

pasbury on 20:25 Thu
In reply to Wonrek:

I've never been so invested in markers on a map before! Right now there's a huddle of six on top of Great Dun Fell, which I can well imagine will be a pretty hellish place to be right now, and Cross Fell to do.

Good luck to them all.

pasbury on 21:41 Thu
In reply to Wonrek:

Pavel about 1k from the finish, and moving quite slowly - I hope he has a warm welcome and a nice cup of tea when he finishes.

BusyLizzie on 21:57 Thu
In reply to Iain Thow:

Just watching Wonrek's dot ... go Wonrek, we are so proud of you!! Blimey that's a long way to Alston through the dark in the snow...

BALD EAGLE - on 21:58 Thu
In reply to pasbury:

Pav is there! What a guy and huge congrats to him and respect to the rest of the guys and gals still on the move!

 

 

Iain Thow - on 22:10 Thu
In reply to BALD EAGLE:

Well done to Pavel, quite some effort over the last few days. Has to have been one of the tougher finishes of the race.

Bet Wonrek and Carlos and the others will be glad of Greg's hut. Nearly there but judging by their speed it must be horrendous going up there. Good on them, hope they're all ok.

pasbury on 22:52 Thu
In reply to Iain Thow:

Trouble is they aren't going to be able to hang out there because of the 4am cutoff in Alston. I have so much admiration for the superhuman efforts of the winner and leaders. But no less for these athletes 'at the back' who are keeping on keeping on.

mbh - on 22:57 Thu
In reply to pasbury:

How far is it from Greg's Hut to Alston?

Post edited at 23:07
Ian W - on 23:05 Thu
In reply to mbh:

Its 7 miles from Gregs Hut to Alston.

Post edited at 23:10
mbh - on 23:17 Thu
In reply to Ian W:

Thanks. I've just plotted it though, on the OS maps thing, and it is 10 miles, albeit all flattish or downhill. Five hours to do 10 miles, in the dark, cold and knackered. I wonder what the going is like.

Post edited at 23:27
Chris the Tall - on 23:18 Thu
In reply to Iain Thow:

> Either that or he can already taste the beer in KY?

Great pic on Twitter of him enjoying a pint - very well deserved!

Tall Clare - on 23:47 Thu
In reply to mbh:

I've just seen Sharon/Wonrek's Facebook live video - she looks very determined to keep within cutoffs and finish. Apparently they have a plan!

pasbury on 00:27 Fri
In reply to Tall Clare:

It's a nailbiter, the going must be very hard.

Welsh Kate - on 01:51 Fri
In reply to pasbury:

It's gonna be tight. Come on, Wonrek and co!

mbh - on 06:13 Fri
In reply to Welsh Kate:

just woken up. Wonrek made it with 7 seconds to spare! Is that right?

Ridge - on 06:25 Fri
In reply to mbh:

> just woken up. Wonrek made it with 7 seconds to spare! Is that right?

Not sure. I thought the cutoff was to leave by 4A.M, not arrive? Tracker shows her still at the CP, although board shows her still in the event.

Edit: She looks to be in the Village not the CP. Away with seconds to spare and had a rest after the CP?

Come on Wonrek!

Post edited at 06:30
mbh - on 06:54 Fri
In reply to Ridge:

She's definitely on her way on her way out of Alston now. Cool!

Siward on 06:55 Fri
In reply to Ridge:

Looks like she's on her way North again? Is that right- 2 minutes rest and off? (Snuggles back under duvet)

Irk the Purist - on 06:57 Fri
In reply to Ridge:

A tremendous effort but the next leg looks impossibly tight. No-one in the groups ahead has managed it in a time as fast as she needs. Maybe the conditions have improved? 

Come on!

edit: unless their times include the pause? 

Post edited at 06:59
r0b on 07:22 Fri
In reply to Irk the Purist:

Amazing effort! Seems like only wonrek and one other made it. Next cut off is 4am at Bellingham. The next bit to Greenhead is a horrible slog too.

Ridge - on 08:03 Fri
In reply to Siward:

Yes, definitely heading north.

alicia - on 08:35 Fri
In reply to mbh:

> just woken up. Wonrek made it with 7 seconds to spare! Is that right?

That was great news to wake up to. Go on Wonrek!!

Ian W - on 08:59 Fri
In reply to mbh:

> Thanks. I've just plotted it though, on the OS maps thing, and it is 10 miles, albeit all flattish or downhill. Five hours to do 10 miles, in the dark, cold and knackered. I wonder what the going is like.

Yeah, mine was a lazy google effort rather than actual plot. I thought 7 was a bit short......

I suspect that the going underfoot isnt too bad - the path itself up there is generally ok (old mine tracks etc, and they can do the last few miles on tarmac. Temp is way to low for any slush, so with spikes or similar it should be ok. He says from a computer keyboard having not slogged up from Edale in grim weather...........

Welsh Kate - on 10:09 Fri
In reply to mbh:

Yeah, 7 seconds! And she seems to be moving north towards Hadrian's Wall reasonably well. Can't believe the mental and physical stamina this is requiring.

timjones - on 10:16 Fri
In reply to r0b:

Another 5 out and moving behind them now.

 

Interesting to watch Phil Clarke who I know as something of a master tactician from old rallying days. Is he struggling or is he taking extra time to refuel?

Iain Thow - on 10:17 Fri
In reply to Welsh Kate:

Yes, looks like she's managed 9 miles from Alston in a bit over 3 hrs - not bad for snowy terrain having had 12 hours struggling through drifts overnight! (as well as all the previous 150+ miles)


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