In reply to yer maw:
> (In reply to Norrie Muir) > I forgot to ask about the affect new/ modern kit has had on climbs and whether he thought the same grades hsould be applied or a change should be made? alas it's easy to debate that on here.
Dear yer
Since I used old tools well before Andy started climbing, I think he would agree with me that modern tools were/are far superior to the old tools. Torquing with modern tools allowed ascents of cracks without ice, before the cracks had to be iced up, now it is harder to climb iced cracks.
Now, winter climbing with basically a rock rack is standard on non ice routes, I was doing this 35 years ago
Climbing ice routes, using modern ice screws for protection only allows people to push their grade, it does not make then climb better.
As for grades, with the advancement of equipment, the grades have risen. I think the grades of the old climbs should either be downgraded or stay as they were recorded.
Norrie