> (In reply to Matt)
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> Ben Roof 8b route grade?? Er whatever.....
Traditionally, Powerband was given F8b and that's only 13 moves long. Not sure about Ben's Roof, but I guess that's about 10 or 11 moves. The meat of a route such as Pump up the Power (F8a+) is about 8 moves, so it seems Font/V
or routes grades all make some sort of sense.
In reply to John Cook:
I doubt doing a F7b whether or not he has it wired even warms the blood vessels in Steve McClure's arms. But whether Indian Summer is F8b+ a la Mecca is another question (that has been posed by those who might climb at that level i.e. not me!)