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NEWS: Neil Gresham in his own words

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 Michael Ryan 18 Sep 2006
Last week we reported of an impressive deep water solo by Neil Gresham on Lundy.

There was plenty of interest and comment on this event at the forums at UKClimbing.com at this thread
"http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=201382

The original news item got amended and updated as the day progressed with contributions from Paul Harrison and Dave Thomas (Dave Thomas was one of the first ascensionists of Flying Dutchman along with Nick White).

Such is the dynamic nature of the internet.

However Neil has just sent his own version of events and his opinion, kindly illustrated with a photo by Nial Grimes.

You can read it here at the news section of UKClimbing.com.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/
OP Michael Ryan 23 Sep 2006
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

We've had several emails about this report. I think the latest comment direct from Neil Gresham clears it up, he soloed the first pitch of the Flying Dutchman then traversed off up an HVS.

For the record, Neil did not contact us re: this report, we got the orginal report from another source. This was further clarified and corrected by others. We contacted Neil, then he got back to us and we published his comment.

Mick
 DAVETHOMAS90 26 Sep 2006
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com: Dear Mick,

this still sounds as though you are trying to protect your position. It's good at least, that you inform us of the third party nature of the source of this news item. For those of us that know the route, it's now easy to see how Neil had not made a deliberate attempt to mislead anyone, which is good for Neil too.

For those that do not know the route, and what has not been well reported, is that the meat of the route is the second pitch, so it isn't really appropriate to talk about Neil soloing "The Flying Dutchman". Neil may well have talked about it in this way, in terms of what the route offers within a deep water soloing context, but the implication from the manner of the reporting, was that "The Dutchman" had been soloed. It hasn't. Neil did not solo "The Flying Dutchman". The route as a whole warrants E7 6b/c and maybe easy 7c, above rock. The first pitch alone would be E5 6b and 7b, above water.

I suppose I'm writing this in order to protect the stature of the original route, and as a contemporary of his, Nick White's achievement on the first ascent. Of more concern, is a worrying trend to misrepresent what has gone before, in order to dress up the current vogue.

Dave Thomas.
Jonno 26 Sep 2006
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

I don't like this new 'climbing zealot' persona Mick.

I much preferred it when you were taking pot shots at Ms Jude Calvert Toumlin and posting long political missives and regurgitating obscure stories unearthed from the 'Talahassie Plain Truth' founded 1898.

sort it out man.

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