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NEWS: Rockfax Downsize Guidebooks

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 Michael Ryan 14 Mar 2007
Whilst some guidebooks are getting bigger and fatter, Rockfax are downsizing some of their publications with a new guidebook line called, Pokketz.

Read more at UKClimbing.com's news page...http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/
 Skyfall 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

no sooner have i said we need a) smaller selected guides and b) aimed at punter grades but Rockfax deliver....

looks v interesting
 Skyfall 14 Mar 2007
In reply to FedUp:

well people won't buy it then will they?
 abarro81 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com: good idea, would think they'd be more useful places like pembroke/swanage/wales than on grit. eg, want to take the guide to the bottom of a crag where you need to abb in then climb back up with it or multi-pitch. on grit it wouldnt matter so much. could be useful on multipitch peak limestone tho.
Anonymous 14 Mar 2007
In reply to FedUp:
> (In reply to JonC)
>
> Simply not needed. Just money grabbing....

What an odd comment. Of course they're not needed, and of course they're intended to make money, just like many other climbing products, and indeed any other products. Do you go round round Sainsbury's pointing out every variation on an existing product and point out it's not needed and that Sainsbury's are only trying to make money?
 Fredt 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Why are they called 'Pokketz'? There's no such word.
What next, "Gyde bux"?, "Graidz"?, "StR R8nz"?
OP Michael Ryan 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Fredt:
> (In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com)
>
> Why are they called 'Pokketz'? There's no such word.

http://www.rockfax.com/publications/pokketz.html?
 IainWhitehouse 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Fredt: GO and swot up on your history Fred. Alan is going back to his rootz man.
Chris Tan Ver. XLIX 14 Mar 2007
In reply to FedUp:

Desnivel have been doing this for years; Best cracks in La Pedriza, Best slabs in La Pedirza, Shaded summer routes in La Pedriza, Sunny winter routes in La Pedriza....

Once you've captured the information in an easy-to-manipulate form, why not present it to the public in different ways. Good luck to them I say.

Chris ( still a user of BMC definitive crossword puzzles) Tan
 Lego 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Nice one!
 Chris the Tall 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
> (In reply to Fredt)
> [...]
>
> http://www.rockfax.com/publications/pokketz.html?

But why would I want to take a book of Alan's cartoons up a crag with me ?

A great idea for sea-cliffs and mountain crags, possibly less so for the peak.

OP Michael Ryan 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Chris the Tall:
> (In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com)
> [...]
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> But why would I want to take a book of Alan's cartoons up a crag with me ?
>


They still crack me up even after all this time. I wish he would do more but despite my best efforts...........

OP Michael Ryan 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Lego:
> (In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com)
>
> Nice one!

Even nicer... http://legoclimber.blogspot.com/

Chris Tan Ver. XLIX 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
> They still crack me up even after all this time. I wish he would do more but despite my best efforts...........

Seconded!

<hijack>

BTW whatever happened to Tammy Knight? Her caricatures of the "then rock gods" very simply hilarious.

</hijack>

OP Michael Ryan 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Chris Tan Ver. XLIX:

Builds kids climbing walls I think.

Aye....another great climbing humourist.
In reply to abarro81:
> (In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com) good idea, would think they'd be more useful places like pembroke/swanage/wales than on grit.

Definitely. This is something we hope to look at for future publications.

- a new Pembroke Pokketz
- Swanage Select
- Multi-pitch routes in the Costa Blanca
- Lakes Green and Orange Spot routes
- ...... ?

Alan
 RupertD 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

Can you do an "All the 8s in England" guide please?
 Chris Craggs Global Crag Moderator 14 Mar 2007
In reply to RupertD:

Not sure whether we could - but maybe you could?


Chris
 Skyfall 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

- Lakes Green and Orange Spot routes

I object to that - you can't classify routes in the Lakes by coloured spots! But a selection of the best multi-pitch easier routes would be rather nice...
 annakyn 14 Mar 2007
They look pretty good. Personally I wouldn't buy a stripped down guidebook containing only a fraction of the routes for half the price for somewhere like the peaks where carrying a book isnt an issue.

Produce them for sea cliffs or mountain areas though and do them on tough paper and that would definitely be worth it.
 Chris the Tall 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Alan James - UKC:
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> - a new Pembroke Pokketz
> - Swanage Select
> - Multi-pitch routes in the Costa Blanca
> - Lakes Green and Orange Spot routes
> - ...... ?

I can see myself buying all of those (Liz - we need a bigger bookshelf), but not the peak ones. A collection of classic multi-pitch limestone routes would be good - but mixing Limestone and Gritstone, it's just plain wrong !
In reply to annakyn:
> They look pretty good. Personally I wouldn't buy a stripped down guidebook containing only a fraction of the routes for half the price for somewhere like the peaks where carrying a book isnt an issue.

To be honest, we aren't really aiming at owners of Eastern Grit and the other Peak Rockfaxes with this, it is more aimed at the occasional and new climber.

Alan
 Chris Craggs Global Crag Moderator 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Chris the Tall:
> - but mixing Limestone and Gritstone, it's just plain wrong !

You'll not be buying the new North Wales guide then?


Chris
 Steve Parker 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

Pokketz, hmmm. Sure I recall some cartoonist from On the Edge who had a series of that name. Better check for copyright!

 Chris Craggs Global Crag Moderator 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:


At £9:95 a pop they have got to be popular!



Chris
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com: why does the weight of the guide matter? it not like every grame counts in the peak. i'd save my money and get eastern grit, much better value in my opinon.
In reply to Alan James - UKC: a lofoten pocketz would be good, as would specific crags/ares. eg cloggy and the pass. gogarth. scafell, east butteress and esk butteress. don't really see the ponit in the peak one tho.
 Chris Craggs Global Crag Moderator 14 Mar 2007
In reply to Tom Ripley Mountain Guide:

Its the new format that is important (new to us that is!) - when you get that Lakes Select guide written it will be perfect as a Pokketz!


Chris
 Simon Caldwell 15 Mar 2007
In reply to Chris Craggs:
> (In reply to Tom Ripley)
>
> Its the new format that is important (new to us that is!) - when you get that Lakes Select guide written it will be perfect as a Pokketz!
>

He's got to get his 'best grade Vs on Ben Nevis' guide finished first
 Paz 15 Mar 2007
In reply to Alan James:

"> (In reply to Alan James - UKC)
>I recall some cartoonist , "

Seriously, why don't you do more cartoons?

I mean Rockfax's have already been branded comics by some philistines, so what've you got to lose?
In reply to Paz:
> Seriously, why don't you do more cartoons?

It is a bit of a luxury activity since the cartoons take ages, and no-one is really willing to pay much for them. At the moment I am just too busy to justify devoting the time to them.

Sorry

Alan
 Paz 15 Mar 2007
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

Fair enough then.
Sarah G 15 Mar 2007
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

You're a bloke. what about all that time you spend on the bog?

Sxx
In reply to Sarah G:

I live in a house with three females and I can tell you who occupies our toilet more than the two men around here!!!

Alan
Sarah G 16 Mar 2007
In reply to Alan James - UKC:
We don't spend all our time sitting down.....

Sxx
 Morgan Woods 16 Mar 2007
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

How about the best of Peak Grit Font-style bouldering circuits....i'll bring the paint cans.

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