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Inspired from another thread, what makes you a real climber?
Points system
grit rash 5
broken ankle 3
taken a wiper 7
fell on gear 5
fell on bolts 2
fell and missed pad 4
climbed a run out 5
own more than one set of nuts! 2
own at least 3 ropes 3
have travelled more than 200 miles to climb at a small crag 5
managed at least 10 routes in one day on trad 10
can tie a bowline 3
have bived at the crag 5
have done alpine starts 3
done a two hour or more walk in 5
climbed till your fingers bleed 10
gone camping to go climbing 3
bouldered up your outside wall just because you could 5
resoled you climbing shoes 3
done a five pitch mulit-pitch climb 5
climbed in the rain 5
Had a proper epic where you might actual die if you don’t sort it out 10
Score more that 90 a real climber
75-89 almost might be acknowledged at the crag
50- 74 might consider stop buying prana cloths and doing yoga and go climb outside
Less than 49 find another sport you tosser
Points system
grit rash 5
broken ankle 3
taken a wiper 7
fell on gear 5
fell on bolts 2
fell and missed pad 4
climbed a run out 5
own more than one set of nuts! 2
own at least 3 ropes 3
have travelled more than 200 miles to climb at a small crag 5
managed at least 10 routes in one day on trad 10
can tie a bowline 3
have bived at the crag 5
have done alpine starts 3
done a two hour or more walk in 5
climbed till your fingers bleed 10
gone camping to go climbing 3
bouldered up your outside wall just because you could 5
resoled you climbing shoes 3
done a five pitch mulit-pitch climb 5
climbed in the rain 5
Had a proper epic where you might actual die if you don’t sort it out 10
Score more that 90 a real climber
75-89 almost might be acknowledged at the crag
50- 74 might consider stop buying prana cloths and doing yoga and go climb outside
Less than 49 find another sport you tosser
In reply to Flatlander:
52. Never done yoga tho. And don't have any climbing clothing, other than an ASDA pair of jeans and my old T-shirts.
52. Never done yoga tho. And don't have any climbing clothing, other than an ASDA pair of jeans and my old T-shirts.
In reply to Flatlander:
how is that an achievement?
whatever happened to 'the leader must not fall'?
inept pad placement/spotting, surely?
define small - Stanange? it's short...
do roped solos count?
who *hasn't* done that?
you can't mark down for people not doing that if their outside wall is a blank face.
lol lol lol.
according to your system I only scored 56. I'll have to start f*cking up more to get more points. lol.
> Inspired from another thread, what makes you a real climber?
>
> Points system
>
> grit rash 5
> broken ankle 3
>
> Points system
>
> grit rash 5
> broken ankle 3
how is that an achievement?
> taken a wiper 7
> fell on gear 5
> fell on gear 5
whatever happened to 'the leader must not fall'?
> fell on bolts 2
> fell and missed pad 4
> fell and missed pad 4
inept pad placement/spotting, surely?
> climbed a run out 5
> own more than one set of nuts! 2
> own at least 3 ropes 3
> have travelled more than 200 miles to climb at a small crag 5
> own more than one set of nuts! 2
> own at least 3 ropes 3
> have travelled more than 200 miles to climb at a small crag 5
define small - Stanange? it's short...
> managed at least 10 routes in one day on trad 10
do roped solos count?
> can tie a bowline 3
> have bived at the crag 5
> have done alpine starts 3
> done a two hour or more walk in 5
> climbed till your fingers bleed 10
> gone camping to go climbing 3
> have bived at the crag 5
> have done alpine starts 3
> done a two hour or more walk in 5
> climbed till your fingers bleed 10
> gone camping to go climbing 3
who *hasn't* done that?
> bouldered up your outside wall just because you could 5
you can't mark down for people not doing that if their outside wall is a blank face.
> resoled you climbing shoes 3
> done a five pitch mulit-pitch climb 5
> climbed in the rain 5
> Had a proper epic where you might actual die if you don’t sort it out 10
>
>
> Score more that 90 a real climber
>
> 75-89 almost might be acknowledged at the crag
>
> 50- 74 might consider stop buying prana cloths and doing yoga and go climb outside
>
> Less than 49 find another sport you tosser
> done a five pitch mulit-pitch climb 5
> climbed in the rain 5
> Had a proper epic where you might actual die if you don’t sort it out 10
>
>
> Score more that 90 a real climber
>
> 75-89 almost might be acknowledged at the crag
>
> 50- 74 might consider stop buying prana cloths and doing yoga and go climb outside
>
> Less than 49 find another sport you tosser
lol lol lol.
according to your system I only scored 56. I'll have to start f*cking up more to get more points. lol.
In reply to A Longleat Boulderer:
Then again no one has accused you of being a climber :P maybe a boulderer though!
Then again no one has accused you of being a climber :P maybe a boulderer though!
In reply to Flatlander:
102 (and I regard myself, absolutely, as 'Mr Average' when it comes to climbing)
102 (and I regard myself, absolutely, as 'Mr Average' when it comes to climbing)
In reply to Flatlander:
erm scored 91
however much of that was historical scoring
based on last year be lucky to make double figures
erm scored 91
however much of that was historical scoring
based on last year be lucky to make double figures
In reply to Flatlander:
Very hard to see how any climber of any experience or enthusiasm can score less than 86.
Very hard to see how any climber of any experience or enthusiasm can score less than 86.
In reply to Flatlander:
66. It seems I've been deluded, flattering myself . . . has everyone been laughing at me all this time?
I think this thread is going to precipitate a mass identity crisis throughout UKC
66. It seems I've been deluded, flattering myself . . . has everyone been laughing at me all this time?
I think this thread is going to precipitate a mass identity crisis throughout UKC
In reply to Flatlander:
96, hooray for me.
You could add: Not bothering to unpack climbing sack - or even taking it out of the car - between outings = 5.
96, hooray for me.
You could add: Not bothering to unpack climbing sack - or even taking it out of the car - between outings = 5.
In reply to Flatlander:
Hell if you climbed and survied climbing with Chris Tan give yourself another 10 points!
Hell if you climbed and survied climbing with Chris Tan give yourself another 10 points!
In reply to Jimmy D:
well... I know I haven't fallen, and in consequence haven't taken a whipper, but is that a bad thing? and I haven't broken my ankle (twisted it, yes) but again is that a bad thing...? and I haven't put myself in a situation of potential death on an epic, but who the f*ck consciously puts themselves in that situation, or wears it as a badge of honour? guffaw!
well... I know I haven't fallen, and in consequence haven't taken a whipper, but is that a bad thing? and I haven't broken my ankle (twisted it, yes) but again is that a bad thing...? and I haven't put myself in a situation of potential death on an epic, but who the f*ck consciously puts themselves in that situation, or wears it as a badge of honour? guffaw!
In reply to CJD:
Top climbers
> (In reply to Jimmy D)
>
and I haven't put myself in a situation of potential death on an epic, but who the f*ck consciously puts themselves in that situation, or wears it as a badge of honour? guffaw!
>
Top climbers
In reply to Flatlander:
are you sure they wear it as a badge of honour? I think you're talking about two different things. putting yourself out there and testing your limits on a route is different to having an epic due to being a punter way way way out of your depth.
are you sure they wear it as a badge of honour? I think you're talking about two different things. putting yourself out there and testing your limits on a route is different to having an epic due to being a punter way way way out of your depth.
In reply to Flatlander:
grit rash 5 - 5
broken ankle 3 - 0
taken a wiper 7 - 0
fell on gear 5 – 5 (only once)
fell on bolts 2 - 0
fell and missed pad 4 - 0
climbed a run out 5 - 5
own more than one set of nuts! 2 - 0
own at least 3 ropes 3 - 0
have travelled more than 200 miles to climb at a small crag 5 - 5
managed at least 10 routes in one day on trad 10 - 10
can tie a bowline 3 - 3
have bived at the crag 5 – 0
have done alpine starts 3 - 3
done a two hour or more walk in 5 - 5
climbed till your fingers bleed 10 - 10
gone camping to go climbing 3 - 3
bouldered up your outside wall just because you could 5 - 0
resoled you climbing shoes 3 - 0
done a five pitch mulit-pitch climb 5 - 5
climbed in the rain 5 - 0
Had a proper epic where you might actual die if you don’t sort it out 10 – 10
Total 73, I am glad I am not a real climber like you
You could add:
Think grit is for training 100 - 100
Did 100 grit routes in a day 2 – 2
Done a 4 hour walk in 1 - 1
grit rash 5 - 5
broken ankle 3 - 0
taken a wiper 7 - 0
fell on gear 5 – 5 (only once)
fell on bolts 2 - 0
fell and missed pad 4 - 0
climbed a run out 5 - 5
own more than one set of nuts! 2 - 0
own at least 3 ropes 3 - 0
have travelled more than 200 miles to climb at a small crag 5 - 5
managed at least 10 routes in one day on trad 10 - 10
can tie a bowline 3 - 3
have bived at the crag 5 – 0
have done alpine starts 3 - 3
done a two hour or more walk in 5 - 5
climbed till your fingers bleed 10 - 10
gone camping to go climbing 3 - 3
bouldered up your outside wall just because you could 5 - 0
resoled you climbing shoes 3 - 0
done a five pitch mulit-pitch climb 5 - 5
climbed in the rain 5 - 0
Had a proper epic where you might actual die if you don’t sort it out 10 – 10
Total 73, I am glad I am not a real climber like you
You could add:
Think grit is for training 100 - 100
Did 100 grit routes in a day 2 – 2
Done a 4 hour walk in 1 - 1
In reply to Flatlander:
ended a realtionship to get more climbing in: 6
quit a job for the same reason: 6
destroyed your credit rating in order to get more climbing in: 8
your last three boyf / girlf where climbers: 3
your boyf climbs harder than you: 3
your girlf climbs harder than you: -10
ended a realtionship to get more climbing in: 6
quit a job for the same reason: 6
destroyed your credit rating in order to get more climbing in: 8
your last three boyf / girlf where climbers: 3
your boyf climbs harder than you: 3
your girlf climbs harder than you: -10
In reply to CJD:
You can push yourself whatever grade you climb. But some people are imbued with an overwhelming sense of curiosity that leads them to explore, "Let's go this way! It looks interesting and it's not in the guide book!"
You can push yourself whatever grade you climb. But some people are imbued with an overwhelming sense of curiosity that leads them to explore, "Let's go this way! It looks interesting and it's not in the guide book!"
In reply to Flatlander:
>"almost might be acknowledged at the crag"
Yip, that sounds about right. (77)
>"almost might be acknowledged at the crag"
Yip, that sounds about right. (77)
In reply to Chris Tan Ver. XLIX SP2:
oh, I agree.
I've had epics of sorts, I suppose, but I haven't thought I was going to die. Maybe I'm more competent than I make out. lol.
oh, I agree.
I've had epics of sorts, I suppose, but I haven't thought I was going to die. Maybe I'm more competent than I make out. lol.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
I could make a list and scoring system that would make you look like a newbie. Than would be ridiculous, just like endless winter's
> (In reply to endless winter)
>
> Very hard to see how any climber of any experience or enthusiasm can score less than 86.
>
> Very hard to see how any climber of any experience or enthusiasm can score less than 86.
I could make a list and scoring system that would make you look like a newbie. Than would be ridiculous, just like endless winter's
In reply to Flatlander:
You're not invited to my party anymore!
> > Less than 49 find another sport you tosser
You're not invited to my party anymore!
In reply to Norrie Muir:
Norrie, I seriously cannot believe that:
you are still using the same set of nuts you used 25 years ago
in all the time you've been climbing you've only owned two ropes (how old is your present rope, I wonder??)
have never bivvied at the crag
have never climbed in the rain (NEVER????)
Norrie, I seriously cannot believe that:
you are still using the same set of nuts you used 25 years ago
in all the time you've been climbing you've only owned two ropes (how old is your present rope, I wonder??)
have never bivvied at the crag
have never climbed in the rain (NEVER????)
In reply to Flatlander:
Just a few more:
vowed to throw your boots away if you ever get down alive (7)
spent many minutes/hours of one's life reading guidebooks on the loo (2)
had to use an ice-axe brake (4)
got seriously lost either on a route or a mountain (1)
climbed at least one route by Joe Brown (1)
has demonstrated at least one or more climbing moves in a pub, with arm movements, to the embarrassment of one's companions (1)
have described a pitch move for move to a disinterested listener, but refused to stop until you've reached the top of the pitch (1)
Just a few more:
vowed to throw your boots away if you ever get down alive (7)
spent many minutes/hours of one's life reading guidebooks on the loo (2)
had to use an ice-axe brake (4)
got seriously lost either on a route or a mountain (1)
climbed at least one route by Joe Brown (1)
has demonstrated at least one or more climbing moves in a pub, with arm movements, to the embarrassment of one's companions (1)
have described a pitch move for move to a disinterested listener, but refused to stop until you've reached the top of the pitch (1)
In reply to Flatlander:
so own up, what did you score? are you a real climber?
me 72.
you forgot driving 8 hours in a day for a couple hours climbing on soggy rock.- 5
so own up, what did you score? are you a real climber?
me 72.
you forgot driving 8 hours in a day for a couple hours climbing on soggy rock.- 5
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
you are still using the same set of nuts you used 25 years ago - I have only bought (1982) 5 nuts in 40 years of climbing, I’ve never bought a wire. I am an environmentalist, I recycle gear left in routes, including my 2 MOACs
in all the time you've been climbing you've only owned two ropes (how old is your present rope, I wonder??) – My first rope lasted from 1967 to about 5 years ago, then I was given a rope by my mate.
have never bivvied at the crag - not below a crag as such, I don’t could dosing in the Shelterstone, or the High Doss in the Cobbler.
have never climbed in the rain (NEVER????) - I’ve never started a route when has been raining/damp. I’ve finished a route in the rain
you are still using the same set of nuts you used 25 years ago - I have only bought (1982) 5 nuts in 40 years of climbing, I’ve never bought a wire. I am an environmentalist, I recycle gear left in routes, including my 2 MOACs
in all the time you've been climbing you've only owned two ropes (how old is your present rope, I wonder??) – My first rope lasted from 1967 to about 5 years ago, then I was given a rope by my mate.
have never bivvied at the crag - not below a crag as such, I don’t could dosing in the Shelterstone, or the High Doss in the Cobbler.
have never climbed in the rain (NEVER????) - I’ve never started a route when has been raining/damp. I’ve finished a route in the rain
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
vowed to throw your boots away if you ever get down alive (7) - 0
spent many minutes/hours of one's life reading guidebooks on the loo (2) - 0
had to use an ice-axe brake (4) - 0
got seriously lost either on a route or a mountain (1) – 0 ( even when I went up a wrong face in the alps, it was not serious)
climbed at least one route by Joe Brown (1) - 1
has demonstrated at least one or more climbing moves in a pub, with arm movements, to the embarrassment of one's companions (1) - 0 (I don’t remember the moves on a climb)
have described a pitch move for move to a disinterested listener, but refused to stop until you've reached the top of the pitch (1) – 0
Total - 1
For evenness, climbed at least one route by Robin Smith (1)
vowed to throw your boots away if you ever get down alive (7) - 0
spent many minutes/hours of one's life reading guidebooks on the loo (2) - 0
had to use an ice-axe brake (4) - 0
got seriously lost either on a route or a mountain (1) – 0 ( even when I went up a wrong face in the alps, it was not serious)
climbed at least one route by Joe Brown (1) - 1
has demonstrated at least one or more climbing moves in a pub, with arm movements, to the embarrassment of one's companions (1) - 0 (I don’t remember the moves on a climb)
have described a pitch move for move to a disinterested listener, but refused to stop until you've reached the top of the pitch (1) – 0
Total - 1
For evenness, climbed at least one route by Robin Smith (1)
In reply to Norrie Muir:
I am in genuine awe, Norrie When you say 'never bought a wire' and only 5 nuts, does that mean that's all you've ever used ? ?
I did your companions realise, c.2001, that you were using a 34-year-old rope??
I am in genuine awe, Norrie When you say 'never bought a wire' and only 5 nuts, does that mean that's all you've ever used ? ?
I did your companions realise, c.2001, that you were using a 34-year-old rope??
In reply to Norrie Muir:
By seriously lost I meant badly lost: but difficult to say how serious, of course.
By seriously lost I meant badly lost: but difficult to say how serious, of course.
In reply to Flatlander:
Here's the definition of categories for the average UKCer.
> Inspired from another thread, what makes you a real climber?
Here's the definition of categories for the average UKCer.
>
> Points system
>
> grit rash = Lightly scuffed arm on nasty rock
> broken ankle = twisted ankle whilst getting out of 4x4
> taken a wiper = slumped on rope
> fell on gear = sat on bomber hex
> fell on bolts = sat on 1st bolt
> fell and missed pad = stepped of problem next to pad
> climbed a run out = gear was nearly below knee
> own more than one set of nuts! = southern gear freak
> own at least 3 ropes = southern gear freak
> have travelled more than 200 miles to climb at a small crag = have traveled 200miles to find crag that doesn't give you vertigo
> managed at least 10 routes in one day on trad = done at above crag, total distance climbed=50'
> can tie a bowline =but can't tie shoelaces
> have bived at the crag = had a snooze in between routes
> have done alpine starts = got up early to go to climbing wall
> done a two hour or more walk in = includes 1hr 30 of walking round shops
> climbed till your fingers bleed = cut finger opening pate
> gone camping to go climbing = hired a caravan at Portland
> bouldered up your outside wall just because you could = in vain attempt to impress non-climbing friends
> resoled you climbing shoes = because you wore them out walking everywhere in them
> done a five pitch mulit-pitch climb = took 5 rest on short route
> climbed in the rain = at the climbing wall
> Had a proper epic where you might actual die if you don’t sort it out = on a toprope.
>
>
> Points system
>
> grit rash = Lightly scuffed arm on nasty rock
> broken ankle = twisted ankle whilst getting out of 4x4
> taken a wiper = slumped on rope
> fell on gear = sat on bomber hex
> fell on bolts = sat on 1st bolt
> fell and missed pad = stepped of problem next to pad
> climbed a run out = gear was nearly below knee
> own more than one set of nuts! = southern gear freak
> own at least 3 ropes = southern gear freak
> have travelled more than 200 miles to climb at a small crag = have traveled 200miles to find crag that doesn't give you vertigo
> managed at least 10 routes in one day on trad = done at above crag, total distance climbed=50'
> can tie a bowline =but can't tie shoelaces
> have bived at the crag = had a snooze in between routes
> have done alpine starts = got up early to go to climbing wall
> done a two hour or more walk in = includes 1hr 30 of walking round shops
> climbed till your fingers bleed = cut finger opening pate
> gone camping to go climbing = hired a caravan at Portland
> bouldered up your outside wall just because you could = in vain attempt to impress non-climbing friends
> resoled you climbing shoes = because you wore them out walking everywhere in them
> done a five pitch mulit-pitch climb = took 5 rest on short route
> climbed in the rain = at the climbing wall
> Had a proper epic where you might actual die if you don’t sort it out = on a toprope.
>
>
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
From 1967, when I started climbing, to 1982, I never bought a nut or wire, however, I did buy 6 krabs. I did accumulate a fair amount of gear left in routes. Basically I had 6 nuts and a few wires, this was OK when my climbing partner had the same. Of late, I usually use my climbing partners gear as it is far superior to mine, although I still like my MOACs.
Although I was confident in my rope, we usually don’t use mine, as it is not 50m.
From 1967, when I started climbing, to 1982, I never bought a nut or wire, however, I did buy 6 krabs. I did accumulate a fair amount of gear left in routes. Basically I had 6 nuts and a few wires, this was OK when my climbing partner had the same. Of late, I usually use my climbing partners gear as it is far superior to mine, although I still like my MOACs.
Although I was confident in my rope, we usually don’t use mine, as it is not 50m.
In reply to Flatlander:
define 'wiper'?
and add:
emotionally manipulated your loved ones to get out on the crag - 5
tabled traversed in a hut in wales whilst being drunk - 8
ridden the top of a car whilst also being drunk down llanberis pass - 1 (coz its rather foolish)
define 'wiper'?
and add:
emotionally manipulated your loved ones to get out on the crag - 5
tabled traversed in a hut in wales whilst being drunk - 8
ridden the top of a car whilst also being drunk down llanberis pass - 1 (coz its rather foolish)
In reply to Flatlander:
Nice!! A few more alternate definitions to help out:
taken a wiper = Do you mean a hankie?
fell on gear = Falling off after smoking a joint?
fell and missed pad = Yes. I fell off and really missed having a pad. Must buy one sometime.
own more than one set of nuts! = About half the population already has a set of nuts at birth.
own at least 3 ropes = A climbing rope, a tow rope for the car and a clothes line.
have travelled more than 200 miles to climb at a small crag = A few round trips to the local crag should do it.
managed at least 10 routes in one day on trad = might manage one route in 10 days....
have bived at the crag = Had a picnic at the crag.
have done alpine starts = Couldn't sleep.
done a two hour or more walk in = Got lost.
climbed till your fingers bleed = Got stuck half way up a route and had to hang from a bramble bush.
bouldered up your outside wall just because you could = Had to climb in through an upstairs window coz I locked myself out.
resoled you climbing shoes = or re-sold some climbing shoes.
done a five pitch mulit-pitch climb = A mulit-pitch? Is that somthing to do with a haircut?
Had a proper epic where you might actual die if you don’t sort it out = Ran out of cigarettes while out climbing and felt like you were going to die.
Nice!! A few more alternate definitions to help out:
taken a wiper = Do you mean a hankie?
fell on gear = Falling off after smoking a joint?
fell and missed pad = Yes. I fell off and really missed having a pad. Must buy one sometime.
own more than one set of nuts! = About half the population already has a set of nuts at birth.
own at least 3 ropes = A climbing rope, a tow rope for the car and a clothes line.
have travelled more than 200 miles to climb at a small crag = A few round trips to the local crag should do it.
managed at least 10 routes in one day on trad = might manage one route in 10 days....
have bived at the crag = Had a picnic at the crag.
have done alpine starts = Couldn't sleep.
done a two hour or more walk in = Got lost.
climbed till your fingers bleed = Got stuck half way up a route and had to hang from a bramble bush.
bouldered up your outside wall just because you could = Had to climb in through an upstairs window coz I locked myself out.
resoled you climbing shoes = or re-sold some climbing shoes.
done a five pitch mulit-pitch climb = A mulit-pitch? Is that somthing to do with a haircut?
Had a proper epic where you might actual die if you don’t sort it out = Ran out of cigarettes while out climbing and felt like you were going to die.
In reply to Flatlander: 103 points. Done it all except the two hour + walk in, and have never got any grit-rash. In fact, I have never climbed in the UK.
In reply to Flatlander: My ankles are intact!
In reply to Flatlander:
Since when did bouldering pads have anything to do with real climbing? Or when you say pad, do you really mean beer towl?
> fell and missed pad 4
Since when did bouldering pads have anything to do with real climbing? Or when you say pad, do you really mean beer towl?
In reply to CJD: I'm getting older and more sensible now. :-o Or maybe that should read knackered and creaking!
In reply to Paul Winder:
Sorry... but doing a 5 pitch route is only 1 point more than falling off of a boulder problem and missing the mat? I don't even have a mat, and I can tell you there aint nothing scary about it! Now here's a quality one (not done byself but heard tales!)
hang-belayed off of a loop of tat just sticking out of the ice, so you couldn't see what it was tied to. now thats a 10!
-Magnus
Sorry... but doing a 5 pitch route is only 1 point more than falling off of a boulder problem and missing the mat? I don't even have a mat, and I can tell you there aint nothing scary about it! Now here's a quality one (not done byself but heard tales!)
hang-belayed off of a loop of tat just sticking out of the ice, so you couldn't see what it was tied to. now thats a 10!
-Magnus
In reply to Flatlander: scored 80 but I think this is aimed at single pitch craggers. some of the things you have should deduct points from your score e.g. owning 2 sets of nuts is a no-no for me. same with all those ropes.
what about-
nearly crashing the car from the drive home due to being knackered; 5
never done a 3 hour walk in; minus 10.
never done a 5 pitch climb; minus 10
missing closing time after a days climbing; 5
moving onto an easy route when having a bad day; minus 5
winter bivouaking; 10
I'll leave room for others then you can create something more realistic.
cheers
what about-
nearly crashing the car from the drive home due to being knackered; 5
never done a 3 hour walk in; minus 10.
never done a 5 pitch climb; minus 10
missing closing time after a days climbing; 5
moving onto an easy route when having a bad day; minus 5
winter bivouaking; 10
I'll leave room for others then you can create something more realistic.
cheers
In reply to Flatlander:
"What make you a real climber?"
Sorry, but I had to laugh at your pathetic list. You obviously want to be accepted as a "real climber" by others by your "trendy" list of must do. However, the original post was made more realistic by the replies from the following people:-
CJD: good points made well, and talks common sense,
KeithW: takes the piss out of you nicely,
Norrie Muir: honest, unashamed, and not concerned with fololowing the masses, so ironically what makes a real climber,
John Dittman: good point on bouldering pads,
and finally, my favourite, and the biggest piss-take,
Serpico: his score list summed your list up best.
Ha, ha, ha.
And yes, feel free to criticise me, as I climb below the average, and don't give a toss who knows. At least I wouldn't take pride in scoring for an injury, falling off, or getting myself in the shit - I'd be ashamed, as any self-respecting climber would be.
"What make you a real climber?"
Sorry, but I had to laugh at your pathetic list. You obviously want to be accepted as a "real climber" by others by your "trendy" list of must do. However, the original post was made more realistic by the replies from the following people:-
CJD: good points made well, and talks common sense,
KeithW: takes the piss out of you nicely,
Norrie Muir: honest, unashamed, and not concerned with fololowing the masses, so ironically what makes a real climber,
John Dittman: good point on bouldering pads,
and finally, my favourite, and the biggest piss-take,
Serpico: his score list summed your list up best.
Ha, ha, ha.
And yes, feel free to criticise me, as I climb below the average, and don't give a toss who knows. At least I wouldn't take pride in scoring for an injury, falling off, or getting myself in the shit - I'd be ashamed, as any self-respecting climber would be.
In reply to Removed User: isn't this thread all a bit tongue in cheek?
PS what's climbing below average?
PS what's climbing below average?
In reply to rock waif:
sometimes I'm not entirely sure with this place...
> (In reply to ITS) isn't this thread all a bit tongue in cheek?
sometimes I'm not entirely sure with this place...
In reply to Removed User:
Sorry to say - not wanting a fight - but really that is complete bollocks. No one said anything about 'pride' re. falling off. The whole question was about what makes an experienced climber, rather than someone who's just dabbling in it. It's virtually impossible, I believe, to climb for any length of time, enthusiastically pushing yourself, without falling off at least once. (I should add that most v good climbers I know have only fallen off about 3 or 4 times in their whole climbing careers.)
I'd actually be a bit ashamed about never falling off anything.
> And yes, feel free to criticise me, as I climb below the average, and don't give a toss who knows. At least I wouldn't take pride in scoring for an injury, falling off, or getting myself in the shit - I'd be ashamed, as any self-respecting climber would be.
Sorry to say - not wanting a fight - but really that is complete bollocks. No one said anything about 'pride' re. falling off. The whole question was about what makes an experienced climber, rather than someone who's just dabbling in it. It's virtually impossible, I believe, to climb for any length of time, enthusiastically pushing yourself, without falling off at least once. (I should add that most v good climbers I know have only fallen off about 3 or 4 times in their whole climbing careers.)
I'd actually be a bit ashamed about never falling off anything.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
yes, but Gordon, you're in your mid 50's - you've had at leat 30 years climbing experience. To use me as an example, I've had 5 years climbing experience - what sort of an idiot is going to start pushing themselves wildly whilst still learning their trade? I'm now in a position where I'm happy with my gear, etc, but experience does take time to accrue (obviously!)
EW's initial post sounds like the post of someone who climbs mostly on grit, who lives a long way away from it. Some of the later responses, like Yer Maw's, are far more interesting.
do you think that we rush to agree with things that reinforce our perception of ourselves, and are quick to damn anything that seems to refute our personal experience?
yes, but Gordon, you're in your mid 50's - you've had at leat 30 years climbing experience. To use me as an example, I've had 5 years climbing experience - what sort of an idiot is going to start pushing themselves wildly whilst still learning their trade? I'm now in a position where I'm happy with my gear, etc, but experience does take time to accrue (obviously!)
EW's initial post sounds like the post of someone who climbs mostly on grit, who lives a long way away from it. Some of the later responses, like Yer Maw's, are far more interesting.
do you think that we rush to agree with things that reinforce our perception of ourselves, and are quick to damn anything that seems to refute our personal experience?
In reply to Flatlander:
> Inspired from another thread, what makes you a real climber?
>
Knowing you can't stop, no matter how stupid it is. >
In reply to rock waif:
The replies from the original poster suggest it isn't tongue in cheek. Perhaps I, and others, should ignore pathetic posts like that. I think we've all got a perception of what is average. My perception, from what everyone tells, or boasts, of is that the average is E2/E3, which is beyond me. That's my experience, but it depends what you read, and who you knock around with.
The replies from the original poster suggest it isn't tongue in cheek. Perhaps I, and others, should ignore pathetic posts like that. I think we've all got a perception of what is average. My perception, from what everyone tells, or boasts, of is that the average is E2/E3, which is beyond me. That's my experience, but it depends what you read, and who you knock around with.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
I took the topic light hearted as the list and points are not very comprehensive or logical.
Grit rash is Ok, but why not Sandstone rash as well, I've not climbed on SS, but when I was climbing on Torridonian sandstone two weeks ago, I got a 'rash' climbing.
10 routes a day, is not much for shorter routes, climbing 1000m a day would be a better gauge.
There is no mention of winter climbing
I could go on, but I don't want to get too serious.
I took the topic light hearted as the list and points are not very comprehensive or logical.
Grit rash is Ok, but why not Sandstone rash as well, I've not climbed on SS, but when I was climbing on Torridonian sandstone two weeks ago, I got a 'rash' climbing.
10 routes a day, is not much for shorter routes, climbing 1000m a day would be a better gauge.
There is no mention of winter climbing
I could go on, but I don't want to get too serious.
In reply to Flatlander:
No idea. Not being an imaginary one? In your case it presumably involves really going out and really climbing mod-severe climbs.
> what makes you a real climber?
No idea. Not being an imaginary one? In your case it presumably involves really going out and really climbing mod-severe climbs.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
I'm basically of your opinion about falling off. It seems a bit inevitable if you're actually stretching yourself, and pushing at your ability level. I guess there are all sorts of climbers, though, and some of them do the pushing at their own pace, and stay very safe in the process. No criticism of that from me, though my own stuff has been a bit different. Probably best not to get too elitist about any of it.
I'm basically of your opinion about falling off. It seems a bit inevitable if you're actually stretching yourself, and pushing at your ability level. I guess there are all sorts of climbers, though, and some of them do the pushing at their own pace, and stay very safe in the process. No criticism of that from me, though my own stuff has been a bit different. Probably best not to get too elitist about any of it.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
The original posters general replies to criticism suggested, to me, that he held the list in great esteem, as an impressionable teenager would. That was my impression, and not knowing the person, or being able to talk face to face, I replied accordingly.
I prefer to take the not falling off stance as the way to climb, otherwise you have failed. That's my opinion, but I respect you are free to climb with falls if you choose. I think it's a fake way of achieving success.
The original posters general replies to criticism suggested, to me, that he held the list in great esteem, as an impressionable teenager would. That was my impression, and not knowing the person, or being able to talk face to face, I replied accordingly.
I prefer to take the not falling off stance as the way to climb, otherwise you have failed. That's my opinion, but I respect you are free to climb with falls if you choose. I think it's a fake way of achieving success.
In reply to Removed User:
i think that at some point, all of us are likely to fall at least once, generally (one would hope) not intentionally). But as Norrie says, that list misses out an awful lot of things. I can't say that I'd score any higher if other things were included on it, but the thing is that I know I love climbing, it's what I do, I'll probably never be really great but I do enjoy it, I have a range of experience and will continue to broaden and deepen that, I'm not a grit obsessive, and I'm not doing it for anyone else or to fit in with someone else's perception, Im doing it for me. The list is most peculiar.
as I said above, it's about agreeing with things that define and reinforce your positive perception of yourself...
i think that at some point, all of us are likely to fall at least once, generally (one would hope) not intentionally). But as Norrie says, that list misses out an awful lot of things. I can't say that I'd score any higher if other things were included on it, but the thing is that I know I love climbing, it's what I do, I'll probably never be really great but I do enjoy it, I have a range of experience and will continue to broaden and deepen that, I'm not a grit obsessive, and I'm not doing it for anyone else or to fit in with someone else's perception, Im doing it for me. The list is most peculiar.
as I said above, it's about agreeing with things that define and reinforce your positive perception of yourself...
In reply to Removed User:
How ridiculous. It's not a way of achieving success, it's a natural consequence of pushing yourself to the limit. You climb at your limit, and I guarantee that sometime you'll fall off. People who don't climb at their limits don't fall off.
> I think it's a fake way of achieving success.
How ridiculous. It's not a way of achieving success, it's a natural consequence of pushing yourself to the limit. You climb at your limit, and I guarantee that sometime you'll fall off. People who don't climb at their limits don't fall off.
In reply to Steve Parker:
I think I agree with that... but... does not climbing at your limits make you 'not a real climber'? I'm genuinely interested in this!
I think I agree with that... but... does not climbing at your limits make you 'not a real climber'? I'm genuinely interested in this!
In reply to Norrie Muir:
> 10 routes a day, is not much for shorter routes, climbing 1000m a day would be a better gauge.
>
Exactly. A couple of mates of mine used to brag about travelling many miles to a gritstone crag to do 15 routes in a day, whereas I toddled the few miles to the Lakes to do between 3 and 4 big routes, which resulted in hundreds of feet more climbing than they did.
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In reply to CJD:
Not in my book. The realness comes from needing it, not from anything that is relative to the practices of other climbers. I wasn't joking above with my throwaway about not being able to stop.
> (In reply to Steve Parker)
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> I think I agree with that... but... does not climbing at your limits make you 'not a real climber'?
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> I think I agree with that... but... does not climbing at your limits make you 'not a real climber'?
Not in my book. The realness comes from needing it, not from anything that is relative to the practices of other climbers. I wasn't joking above with my throwaway about not being able to stop.
In reply to Flatlander:
i score maximum points on the list, but i don't even see my self as a climber, let alone a real climber, i have been out once this year, but i'd rather ride my bike, as i find it more worthwhile.
Maybe i should sell all my gear, as i don't seem to feel it anymore, and reading this thread confirms these thoughts to me, does it ever come back?? how does one feel like a climber?
i score maximum points on the list, but i don't even see my self as a climber, let alone a real climber, i have been out once this year, but i'd rather ride my bike, as i find it more worthwhile.
Maybe i should sell all my gear, as i don't seem to feel it anymore, and reading this thread confirms these thoughts to me, does it ever come back?? how does one feel like a climber?
In reply to Steve Parker:
one moment - I was double negativing away gloriously and managed to confuse even myself.
so, to be a real climber, you have to be climbing at your limit?
one moment - I was double negativing away gloriously and managed to confuse even myself.
so, to be a real climber, you have to be climbing at your limit?
In reply to CJD:
Er, late 50s, and several things going wrong now (including v recently developed serious eye problem).
Main point: everyone pushes themselves when they're very young, and first starting out. In my case I had one very big one when I was 19, then two relatively trivial falls onto gear when I was 33 and pushing myself again. I think that's all.
> (In reply to Gordon Stainforth)
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> yes, but Gordon, you're in your mid 50's - you've had at leat 30 years climbing experience. To use me as an example, I've had 5 years climbing experience - what sort of an idiot is going to start pushing themselves wildly whilst still learning their trade? I'm now in a position where I'm happy with my gear, etc, but experience does take time to accrue (obviously!)
>
> yes, but Gordon, you're in your mid 50's - you've had at leat 30 years climbing experience. To use me as an example, I've had 5 years climbing experience - what sort of an idiot is going to start pushing themselves wildly whilst still learning their trade? I'm now in a position where I'm happy with my gear, etc, but experience does take time to accrue (obviously!)
Er, late 50s, and several things going wrong now (including v recently developed serious eye problem).
Main point: everyone pushes themselves when they're very young, and first starting out. In my case I had one very big one when I was 19, then two relatively trivial falls onto gear when I was 33 and pushing myself again. I think that's all.
In reply to johnj:
genuine question: do threads like this happen on mountain bike forums? (I suppose MTBing is a pretty new thing compared to climbing, but I suppose people have been tootling over hills on bicycles in one form or another for years and years)
yours is a good point, that you've done all these things and from what you say it doesn't make you any more 'real'.
> (In reply to endless winter)
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> i score maximum points on the list, but i don't even see my self as a climber, let alone a real climber, i have been out once this year, but i'd rather ride my bike, as i find it more worthwhile.
>
> Maybe i should sell all my gear, as i don't seem to feel it anymore, and reading this thread confirms these thoughts to me, does it ever come back?? how does one feel like a climber?
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> i score maximum points on the list, but i don't even see my self as a climber, let alone a real climber, i have been out once this year, but i'd rather ride my bike, as i find it more worthwhile.
>
> Maybe i should sell all my gear, as i don't seem to feel it anymore, and reading this thread confirms these thoughts to me, does it ever come back?? how does one feel like a climber?
genuine question: do threads like this happen on mountain bike forums? (I suppose MTBing is a pretty new thing compared to climbing, but I suppose people have been tootling over hills on bicycles in one form or another for years and years)
yours is a good point, that you've done all these things and from what you say it doesn't make you any more 'real'.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
but your experience that you've brought to this questionnaire has been accrued over all that time - does it suggest that people with, say, five or even ten years experience aren't 'real climbers'? Or should they have bundled all those experiences into a short time?
I'm utterly bamboozled.
but your experience that you've brought to this questionnaire has been accrued over all that time - does it suggest that people with, say, five or even ten years experience aren't 'real climbers'? Or should they have bundled all those experiences into a short time?
I'm utterly bamboozled.
In reply to CJD:
Eh? I'd have to conclude you didn't read my previous reply. I already said I don't think that's true. You're confusing me here.
>
> so, to be a real climber, you have to be climbing at your limit?
> so, to be a real climber, you have to be climbing at your limit?
Eh? I'd have to conclude you didn't read my previous reply. I already said I don't think that's true. You're confusing me here.
In reply to Removed User:
You've misunderstood me. When I started to climb, falling off was not really an option, but really a disaster that the latest protection techniques might just save. No choice really. I was 'born and bred' with 'the leader does not fall' attitude. Yet we all fell off. (Everyone I know/knew of that period)
> (In reply to Removed UserGordon Stainforth)
> I prefer to take the not falling off stance as the way to climb, otherwise you have failed. That's my opinion, but I respect you are free to climb with falls if you choose. I think it's a fake way of achieving success.
You've misunderstood me. When I started to climb, falling off was not really an option, but really a disaster that the latest protection techniques might just save. No choice really. I was 'born and bred' with 'the leader does not fall' attitude. Yet we all fell off. (Everyone I know/knew of that period)
In reply to Steve Parker:
only because I confused myself with my double-negativing.
> (In reply to CJD)
> [...]
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> Eh? I'd have to conclude you didn't read my previous reply. I already said I don't think that's true. You're confusing me here.
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> Eh? I'd have to conclude you didn't read my previous reply. I already said I don't think that's true. You're confusing me here.
only because I confused myself with my double-negativing.
In reply to CJD:
I/we shouldn't get so wound up about what others like doing - it doesn't really affect me/us......but stupid lists piss me off....no, I'll settle down and shut up....or will I?
> as I said above, it's about agreeing with things that define and reinforce your positive perception of yourself...
I/we shouldn't get so wound up about what others like doing - it doesn't really affect me/us......but stupid lists piss me off....no, I'll settle down and shut up....or will I?
In reply to CJD:
Oh, gosh, Claire, I wasn't suggesting that at all. I think with most keen climbers that their first 3-5 years climbing are typically the most intense and most 'real' of their lives. Then, typically, you just trundle on, and cyclically have 'comebacks' when you get very fit again, and right back into it. But nothing will ever be like those first few years.
> (In reply to Gordon Stainforth)
>
> but your experience that you've brought to this questionnaire has been accrued over all that time - does it suggest that people with, say, five or even ten years experience aren't 'real climbers'? Or should they have bundled all those experiences into a short time?
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> I'm utterly bamboozled.
>
> but your experience that you've brought to this questionnaire has been accrued over all that time - does it suggest that people with, say, five or even ten years experience aren't 'real climbers'? Or should they have bundled all those experiences into a short time?
>
> I'm utterly bamboozled.
Oh, gosh, Claire, I wasn't suggesting that at all. I think with most keen climbers that their first 3-5 years climbing are typically the most intense and most 'real' of their lives. Then, typically, you just trundle on, and cyclically have 'comebacks' when you get very fit again, and right back into it. But nothing will ever be like those first few years.
In reply to CJD:
i don't know, maybe they do, forums are only as old as forums so i guess all the questions do get asked
i don't know, maybe they do, forums are only as old as forums so i guess all the questions do get asked
In reply to Removed User:
You could have a point about some of the posts. I just thought EW's post was a pee taking post.
>I think we've all got a perception of what is average. My perception, from what everyone tells, or boasts, of is that the average is E2/E3, which is beyond me. That's my experience, but it depends what you read, and who you knock around with.
It was a joke about what average was, so not needing an answer which I did not make clear. I agree it does vary a lot what people regard as average, depending on what someone climbs. what people they climb with climb etc etc.
> (In reply to Removed Userrock waif)
> The replies from the original poster suggest it isn't tongue in cheek. Perhaps I, and others, should ignore pathetic posts like that.
> The replies from the original poster suggest it isn't tongue in cheek. Perhaps I, and others, should ignore pathetic posts like that.
You could have a point about some of the posts. I just thought EW's post was a pee taking post.
>I think we've all got a perception of what is average. My perception, from what everyone tells, or boasts, of is that the average is E2/E3, which is beyond me. That's my experience, but it depends what you read, and who you knock around with.
It was a joke about what average was, so not needing an answer which I did not make clear. I agree it does vary a lot what people regard as average, depending on what someone climbs. what people they climb with climb etc etc.
In reply to CJD:
Most of us are 'real climbers', according to our own definitions. If someone isn't, then they probably already suspect it's not really for them, and they're probably not posting on this daft thread. Anyone whose identity is wrapped up with climbing is a real climber. In fact, this seems more ridiculous the more I get into it. You, Clare, are a 'real climber', at the moment anyway. Even if you give it up in later years, as Pete Crew did, you will still have been a 'real climber' for this period. Meantime, I'd suggest your peacock-naming thread had more to do with climbing than this one.
> only because I confused myself with my double-negativing.
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Fair enough. I knew what you meant, though.
>
Most of us are 'real climbers', according to our own definitions. If someone isn't, then they probably already suspect it's not really for them, and they're probably not posting on this daft thread. Anyone whose identity is wrapped up with climbing is a real climber. In fact, this seems more ridiculous the more I get into it. You, Clare, are a 'real climber', at the moment anyway. Even if you give it up in later years, as Pete Crew did, you will still have been a 'real climber' for this period. Meantime, I'd suggest your peacock-naming thread had more to do with climbing than this one.
In reply to CJD:
> (In reply to Gordon Stainforth)
>
> but your experience that you've brought to this questionnaire has been accrued over all that time - does it suggest that people with, say, five or even ten years experience aren't 'real climbers'? Or should they have bundled all those experiences into a short time?
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Gordon and myself started about the same time, but have had different experiences. On the above list, my 'points' where for the first 5 year, I could nearly repeat the 'points' every 5 years since. The only exception is, I've not fallen since 1970. I was and still too chicken to fall. >
> but your experience that you've brought to this questionnaire has been accrued over all that time - does it suggest that people with, say, five or even ten years experience aren't 'real climbers'? Or should they have bundled all those experiences into a short time?
>
In reply to CJD:
I don't really believe you, but not a bad name.
> (In reply to Steve Parker)
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> I've named him Ardus Nails.
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> I've named him Ardus Nails.
I don't really believe you, but not a bad name.
In reply to Norrie Muir:
See my earlier posts. Suspect we are more similar than either of us realised (in attitude, anyway, because I clearly have very little of your ability). My comments were mostly about my first 5 years. Re. falling, ditto. (See my post above)
See my earlier posts. Suspect we are more similar than either of us realised (in attitude, anyway, because I clearly have very little of your ability). My comments were mostly about my first 5 years. Re. falling, ditto. (See my post above)
In reply to CJD:
No one, but this is where the hunger comes in: you want the next move so much that you're prepared to risk the hurt for the move. That's Deep Play. Bloody stupid and irrational too, no doubt, and it doesn't define what a 'real climber' is for me. I still do it a lot, though.
> (In reply to Norrie Muir)
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> falling looks like it might hurt, and who wants to get hurt?
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> falling looks like it might hurt, and who wants to get hurt?
No one, but this is where the hunger comes in: you want the next move so much that you're prepared to risk the hurt for the move. That's Deep Play. Bloody stupid and irrational too, no doubt, and it doesn't define what a 'real climber' is for me. I still do it a lot, though.
In reply to CJD:
Sounds a bit like that dog from Eastenders, whatshisname...
> (In reply to Steve Parker)
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> I've named him Ardus Nails.
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> I've named him Ardus Nails.
Sounds a bit like that dog from Eastenders, whatshisname...
In reply to rock waif:
> (In reply to CJD)
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> Sounds a bit like that dog from Eastenders, whatshisname...
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Wellard. Well 'ard. Something like that. Blimey, now people know I've watched Eastenders. Shit!
> [...]
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> Sounds a bit like that dog from Eastenders, whatshisname...
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In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
Aye, well, I climbed to my ability, but not beyond it, that was why I could solo hardish routes, but otherwise I also think so.
Did you read about my eye problem last year, where I shattered my eye socket and cheek bone? I am left with double vision on the periphery of my eyesight. It is a bit awkward looking up when climbing.
> (In reply to Norrie Muir)
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> See my earlier posts. Suspect we are more similar than either of us realised (in attitude, anyway, because I clearly have very little of your ability). My comments were mostly about my first 5 years. Re. falling, ditto. (See my post above)
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> See my earlier posts. Suspect we are more similar than either of us realised (in attitude, anyway, because I clearly have very little of your ability). My comments were mostly about my first 5 years. Re. falling, ditto. (See my post above)
Aye, well, I climbed to my ability, but not beyond it, that was why I could solo hardish routes, but otherwise I also think so.
Did you read about my eye problem last year, where I shattered my eye socket and cheek bone? I am left with double vision on the periphery of my eyesight. It is a bit awkward looking up when climbing.
In reply to Steve Parker: that was the mutt! lol
In reply to Norrie Muir:
But clearly, psychologically, you were light years beyond me. To lead well I've always had to work at it, because I'm really of far too nervous a disposition to be a climber!
No, I missed that. But I've recently got a serious eye problem which means I can't see properly when I'm climbing. Worst of all is on descent routes when typically you're looking 2-4 ft below your feet, and at that range I can no longer judge distance at all.
May start another thread about this, to see if others know about it. It's called a 'macular pucker'.
> (In reply to Gordon Stainforth)
> [...]
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> Aye, well, I climbed to my ability, but not beyond it, that was why I could solo hardish routes, but otherwise I also think so.
> [...]
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> Aye, well, I climbed to my ability, but not beyond it, that was why I could solo hardish routes, but otherwise I also think so.
But clearly, psychologically, you were light years beyond me. To lead well I've always had to work at it, because I'm really of far too nervous a disposition to be a climber!
>
> Did you read about my eye problem last year, where I shattered my eye socket and cheek bone? I am left with double vision on the periphery of my eyesight. It is a bit awkward looking up when climbing.
> Did you read about my eye problem last year, where I shattered my eye socket and cheek bone? I am left with double vision on the periphery of my eyesight. It is a bit awkward looking up when climbing.
No, I missed that. But I've recently got a serious eye problem which means I can't see properly when I'm climbing. Worst of all is on descent routes when typically you're looking 2-4 ft below your feet, and at that range I can no longer judge distance at all.
May start another thread about this, to see if others know about it. It's called a 'macular pucker'.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
I've just looked up Macular Pucker on this http://www.medic8.com/eye-disorders/macular-pucker.htm , that is worse than what I've got. You may need surgery, so I hope you can get back to nornal.
I've just looked up Macular Pucker on this http://www.medic8.com/eye-disorders/macular-pucker.htm , that is worse than what I've got. You may need surgery, so I hope you can get back to nornal.
In reply to Norrie Muir:
Yes, I know all about it. It's a bad one; far more serious than a cataract. Developed very suddenly (a matter of a few weeks). I've got this great big slightly blurry, distorted patch over my right eye now, plus frequent double vision. Related to a car crash I had 24 years ago, I think. I gather that the operation is quite dodgy and not recommended at all unless the condition gets really serious. Otherwise, there seems to be sod all they can do about it.
I should start another thread about this, because I would be interested to hear other people's experiences/knowledge of this condition. Don't want to hijack this thread.
Yes, I know all about it. It's a bad one; far more serious than a cataract. Developed very suddenly (a matter of a few weeks). I've got this great big slightly blurry, distorted patch over my right eye now, plus frequent double vision. Related to a car crash I had 24 years ago, I think. I gather that the operation is quite dodgy and not recommended at all unless the condition gets really serious. Otherwise, there seems to be sod all they can do about it.
I should start another thread about this, because I would be interested to hear other people's experiences/knowledge of this condition. Don't want to hijack this thread.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
Things do come back to haunt you, don't they. I've now got a (pretty minor, thankfully) sacro-iliac problem that I'm damn sure was caused by falling off Rabbits Paw Wall at Caley in the rain about 15 years ago.
> Related to a car crash I had 24 years ago, I think.
Things do come back to haunt you, don't they. I've now got a (pretty minor, thankfully) sacro-iliac problem that I'm damn sure was caused by falling off Rabbits Paw Wall at Caley in the rain about 15 years ago.
In reply to Flatlander: 99 - but never get acknowledged at the crag. Also got a Prana shirt, considering doing yoga and also go canoeing, play rugby and snooker. Also toss a fair bit!
In reply to Flatlander: Shit...................I'm crap, too embarrassed to put the number on here. I'm crushed.....................Anyone know the URL of that suicide website????????????????????????????
In reply to everyone:
I just finished reading this and I have to say it was worth just winding up ITS. Yes shocker it’s only a simple survey/questionnaire type thing!! Its tongue and cheek, if you honestly think rating your score off my list as an actual reflection on who you are then you are very sad. Get a grip.
Love a lot of the replies and additions, made my morning
I just finished reading this and I have to say it was worth just winding up ITS. Yes shocker it’s only a simple survey/questionnaire type thing!! Its tongue and cheek, if you honestly think rating your score off my list as an actual reflection on who you are then you are very sad. Get a grip.
Love a lot of the replies and additions, made my morning
In reply to Flatlander:
lol, now you see with these things consistency is the key, and you were way too earnest in your initial posts for anyone to believe you suggested this was initially intended as a windup.
guffaw anyway.
lol, now you see with these things consistency is the key, and you were way too earnest in your initial posts for anyone to believe you suggested this was initially intended as a windup.
guffaw anyway.
In reply to CJD: I just take it all his posts are a windup. Hmmmm...
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
Beat me by one!
Chris
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> 102 (and I regard myself, absolutely, as 'Mr Average' when it comes to climbing)
> 102 (and I regard myself, absolutely, as 'Mr Average' when it comes to climbing)
Beat me by one!
Chris
In reply to Flatlander:
broken ankle - Yes, but not from climbing, does that count?
taken a wiper - I've fixed and replaced plenty of wipers, but never taken one. I don't think I've taken any long falls either, but I did once jump about 20ft onto a grassy bank, does that count?
own at least 3 ropes - Damn, I'm dropping points again. Unless you're counting retired ropes?
Err, somewhere between 92 and 105, depending on the above. Yay I'm a real climber, can I have one of those sticky gold star things? Oh actually, can I have my sense of fear removed and replaced with the ability to immediately see what gear will fit? Ta.
broken ankle - Yes, but not from climbing, does that count?
taken a wiper - I've fixed and replaced plenty of wipers, but never taken one. I don't think I've taken any long falls either, but I did once jump about 20ft onto a grassy bank, does that count?
own at least 3 ropes - Damn, I'm dropping points again. Unless you're counting retired ropes?
Err, somewhere between 92 and 105, depending on the above. Yay I'm a real climber, can I have one of those sticky gold star things? Oh actually, can I have my sense of fear removed and replaced with the ability to immediately see what gear will fit? Ta.
In reply to Flatlander:
Logged onto ukc on a sunny day off work instead of being outside: -50.
So that's my score knackered.
Will Gadd had a good rant about the various annual awards made for climbing (piolet d'or etc). He reckoned there ought to be awards for the most rock boot rubber worn out per year, number of times you have phoned your boss to call of sick while brewing up in a tent getting ready to go climbing, highest metres climbed:miles driven ratio etc. I agree.
Logged onto ukc on a sunny day off work instead of being outside: -50.
So that's my score knackered.
Will Gadd had a good rant about the various annual awards made for climbing (piolet d'or etc). He reckoned there ought to be awards for the most rock boot rubber worn out per year, number of times you have phoned your boss to call of sick while brewing up in a tent getting ready to go climbing, highest metres climbed:miles driven ratio etc. I agree.
In reply to Flatlander: real climbers arent pretentious tw*ts that need to put other people down to elevate themselves
In reply to Flatlander:
Seem to have done everything in both lists (gordons' and original) - this is what happens to keen climbers though, innit?
Seem to have done everything in both lists (gordons' and original) - this is what happens to keen climbers though, innit?
In reply to Flatlander:
> (In reply to everyone)
>
> I just finished reading this and I have to say it was worth just winding up ITS. Yes shocker it’s only a simple survey/questionnaire type thing!! Its tongue and cheek, if you honestly think rating your score off my list as an actual reflection on who you are then you are very sad. Get a grip.
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I'm all for a wind up, and if what you say is genuine, then every credit. However, your replies to all, not just me, were too serious to be taken as a wind up. It really doesn't matter, as I'm not one for falling out with people. I wish you many happy climbing days, whatever your climbing is. Each to there own, eh? Cheers.
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> I just finished reading this and I have to say it was worth just winding up ITS. Yes shocker it’s only a simple survey/questionnaire type thing!! Its tongue and cheek, if you honestly think rating your score off my list as an actual reflection on who you are then you are very sad. Get a grip.
>
In reply to Removed User:
Sorry, I mean each to THEIR own. Before someone corrects my grammer.
Sorry, I mean each to THEIR own. Before someone corrects my grammer.
In reply to Flatlander: the vast majority of the things you have mentioned, they are not things to be proud of, celebrating taking a wiper, falling on gear, ending up with grit rash, breaking your ankle, falling and missing your bouldering mat, climbing till your fingers bleed and climbing in the rain. as this thread shows, there are people who have done these things, maybe once or on more than 1 occasion. but I don't see that doing the things I have taken from your list, can justify you being a real climber. these are things to be avoided. unless you can climb with bleeding fingers and a broken ankle.
I think you should re name this thread and say if you score x amount of points or more it shows your dedication to the sport. saying your not a real climber till you take a big lead fall break your ankle climb till your fingers bleed or till you have climbed in the rain is a load of crap.
I think you should re name this thread and say if you score x amount of points or more it shows your dedication to the sport. saying your not a real climber till you take a big lead fall break your ankle climb till your fingers bleed or till you have climbed in the rain is a load of crap.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
lol me too. i scored 100!
> (In reply to endless winter)
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> 102 (and I regard myself, absolutely, as 'Mr Average' when it comes to climbing)
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> 102 (and I regard myself, absolutely, as 'Mr Average' when it comes to climbing)
lol me too. i scored 100!
In reply to Flatlander: I would submit an addition to the list...
Listing your main sport or activity as anything other than "Climbing" -100
Harry.
Listing your main sport or activity as anything other than "Climbing" -100
Harry.
In reply to bezzer555:
Chill my man - it's a wind up (that said, I appear to be a real climber at last!)
Chill my man - it's a wind up (that said, I appear to be a real climber at last!)
In reply to Flatlander: I scored 58.
but then again, I have only been climbing for 2 years, and I have'nt had to many oppatunities to climb outdoors. but all that is gonna change this year.
but then again, I have only been climbing for 2 years, and I have'nt had to many oppatunities to climb outdoors. but all that is gonna change this year.
In reply to Flatlander: drive 200 miles to the crag, surely if you cant walk to the crag from home you need to get some comitment.
> grit rash 5
> managed at least 10 routes in one day on trad 10
> can tie a bowline 3
> have bived at the crag 5
> have done alpine starts 3
> done a two hour or more walk in 5
> climbed till your fingers bleed 10
> gone camping to go climbing 3
> bouldered up your outside wall just because you could 5
> done a five pitch mulit-pitch climb 5
> climbed in the rain 5
> managed at least 10 routes in one day on trad 10
> can tie a bowline 3
> have bived at the crag 5
> have done alpine starts 3
> done a two hour or more walk in 5
> climbed till your fingers bleed 10
> gone camping to go climbing 3
> bouldered up your outside wall just because you could 5
> done a five pitch mulit-pitch climb 5
> climbed in the rain 5
Fair enough
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> broken ankle 3
> fell on gear 5
> fell on bolts 2
> fell and missed pad 4
> climbed a run out 5
> own more than one set of nuts! 2
> own at least 3 ropes 3
> have travelled more than 200 miles to climb at a small crag 5
> resoled you climbing shoes 3
> Had a proper epic where you might actual die if you don’t sort it out 10
> fell on gear 5
> fell on bolts 2
> fell and missed pad 4
> climbed a run out 5
> own more than one set of nuts! 2
> own at least 3 ropes 3
> have travelled more than 200 miles to climb at a small crag 5
> resoled you climbing shoes 3
> Had a proper epic where you might actual die if you don’t sort it out 10
What! Why does this make a climber?
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> taken a wiper 7
Not got a clue what this means
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Fair enough 59 (or 54 if it has to be a wall you have a mortgage for or own outright).
What! Why does this make a climber? 30
Not got a clue what this means 0 (on the assumption I haven't)
Total: 89 total
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> 50- 74 might consider stop buying prana cloths and doing yoga and go climb outside
I buy prana tops and chalk bags AND I have done yoga, now sporadically... does this get point reductions then!!!
In reply to Flatlander: I scored up in the hundreds, but really dude, I'm never going to stop wearing Prana or Arcterix, what other labels are there?
In reply to Flatlander: Shared a house with Joe Simpson and survived 100
> has demonstrated at least one or more climbing moves in a pub, with arm movements, to the embarrassment of one's companions (1) - 0 (I don’t remember the moves on a climb)
NEVER DONE THIS BUT... If this were the other UKC of the caving variety, oh it's sooo true, however I think that demonstrating how you got through a squeezy crawl in a pub, embarressed your boyfriend to the point that for 6 months you didn't go to the pub together, hence getting in more climbing time and post climbing pub time should get me an extra 3 points on UKClimbing.
NEVER DONE THIS BUT... If this were the other UKC of the caving variety, oh it's sooo true, however I think that demonstrating how you got through a squeezy crawl in a pub, embarressed your boyfriend to the point that for 6 months you didn't go to the pub together, hence getting in more climbing time and post climbing pub time should get me an extra 3 points on UKClimbing.
In reply to littlebear:
Hey I scored OK, and I've been climbing for less than a year-a mere novice compared with you guys.
Scored well in the falling categories ! - either I am on my way to becoming a "real" climber (however you justify that)- or I'm just crap...
lol
Kxx
Hey I scored OK, and I've been climbing for less than a year-a mere novice compared with you guys.
Scored well in the falling categories ! - either I am on my way to becoming a "real" climber (however you justify that)- or I'm just crap...
lol
Kxx
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