In reply to mickyconnor:
Before that I said `I think'... !! It's not like I've never been wrong before FFS. For instance:
In reply to Matt Rees
I forgot about the rumours about that, but he never wanted to come forward and down grade it to E8 like I suggested.
Then there were more murmurings about Renegade Master, but
I always forget the details.
Basically we always have this discussion about e8s onsight, and people come up with a millions examples which are all actually flashes or ground ups, or padded out,
but are still suggested because people feel the
need to give someone `an honourable mention', which although are being suggested basically in order to say "oh these strict rules aren't so important" still show that it's only a little step forward needed to onsight E8. When you filter out all these, I thought you're left with Birkett's as the only E8 onsight, that is sufficiently witnessed enough to count for some of us, (some suspicions about having been on overlapping parts of it before were even put to bed by the man himself in person).
What was the story behind Come to Mother anyway?
In reply to boothy:
Is RoS at Nescliffe? I liked your ascent on the DVD by the way - is it on that?
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com
When you say `what will Leo make of it?' remember back when the boy wonder did Trauma we established on that thread that Leo didn't place the wire and what he lacked in experience, he made up for with madness. And talent. That ascent probably merited E9.