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The infamous ‘School Room’ boards in Sheffield are currently under threat, as Sheffield City Council have asked all current users of the Heeley Bank School building to vacate by November ’07.
The boards were originally built in 1993 by Gavin Ellis, Ben Tye and Andy Coish as conditions at Peak Limestone venues (at which they trained) were not always ideal.
Paul Bennett gives us the full report at: http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/
The boards were originally built in 1993 by Gavin Ellis, Ben Tye and Andy Coish as conditions at Peak Limestone venues (at which they trained) were not always ideal.
Paul Bennett gives us the full report at: http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
Will all who those sign the petition get to train at the school room? You can bang on all day about "history" etc but the closure of this facility will actually effect virtually no-one - only the very small minority of climbers who are invited/allowed to use it.
Its not as if sheffield lacks climbing walls, or as if it would be impossible to re-house the boards elsewhere.
Will all who those sign the petition get to train at the school room? You can bang on all day about "history" etc but the closure of this facility will actually effect virtually no-one - only the very small minority of climbers who are invited/allowed to use it.
Its not as if sheffield lacks climbing walls, or as if it would be impossible to re-house the boards elsewhere.
In reply to Dave-Westlake:
there was a big thread about this the other day - this news item (logically for its audience) mentions the climbing aspect, but other community-use facilities in the building will also be affected...
I'll see if I can find the thread.
there was a big thread about this the other day - this news item (logically for its audience) mentions the climbing aspect, but other community-use facilities in the building will also be affected...
I'll see if I can find the thread.
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com: Sometimes I'm not sure I understand why people get all pissy about the School; is it because they think they are missing out on something?
It seems sad to me that people wouldn't spend five seconds of their time writing their name on a piece of paper to help out fellow climbers who are going to lose the training facility they love.
This has nothing to do with the history of the School, but everything to do with camaraderie between climbers, or does this not exist any more?
It seems sad to me that people wouldn't spend five seconds of their time writing their name on a piece of paper to help out fellow climbers who are going to lose the training facility they love.
This has nothing to do with the history of the School, but everything to do with camaraderie between climbers, or does this not exist any more?
In reply to TimS:
Middle class punters & gear freaks don't do cameraderie these days.
The school room is ace - can't pull on owt for toffee like - but it has a charm thats like no where else.
I'll sign any petition for access (I better do as an access rep!)
Where do I sign anyone?
Si
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> This has nothing to do with the history of the School,
> but everything to do with camaraderie between climbers, > or does this not exist any more?
Middle class punters & gear freaks don't do cameraderie these days.
The school room is ace - can't pull on owt for toffee like - but it has a charm thats like no where else.
I'll sign any petition for access (I better do as an access rep!)
Where do I sign anyone?
Si
In reply to TimS:
The school is a private wall like others around the UK, with 30 members paying a small sum to have access to a good training facility. Anyone can set up a wall like this if they choose. It just so happens that some famous names did some very hard problems with weight belts at the school. There's a waiting list to join at the moment... but there wasn't a few years ago when hardly anyone trained up there and we were struggling to pay the rent. Of the 30 members, probably only 10 are well known names and the rest are (relative) punters. We could cope if we lost the facility, as we now have the Works, but all the artists, violin makers etc would have nowhere to go. It's worth a signature for them.
P.S. There will be a publicity stunt at the school tomorrow night, so look out for some photos in the Sheffield Star.
> (In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com) Sometimes I'm not sure I understand why people get all pissy about the School; is it because they think they are missing out on something?
The school is a private wall like others around the UK, with 30 members paying a small sum to have access to a good training facility. Anyone can set up a wall like this if they choose. It just so happens that some famous names did some very hard problems with weight belts at the school. There's a waiting list to join at the moment... but there wasn't a few years ago when hardly anyone trained up there and we were struggling to pay the rent. Of the 30 members, probably only 10 are well known names and the rest are (relative) punters. We could cope if we lost the facility, as we now have the Works, but all the artists, violin makers etc would have nowhere to go. It's worth a signature for them.
P.S. There will be a publicity stunt at the school tomorrow night, so look out for some photos in the Sheffield Star.
In reply to TimS:
It's as if they are gloating about fellow climbers losing access to some of their favourite problems.
You all know who you are and should be ashamed.
Perhaps it is just jealousy or perhaps as you say there is no community spirit in climbing any more.
I have no vested interest in the facility but I will be signing the petition and every climber should do the same.
> (In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com) Sometimes I'm not sure I understand why people get all pissy about the School; is it because they think they are missing out on something?
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Well said. Some people's attitude about this issue (on this thread and the other one) is quite frankly disgusting.
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> It seems sad to me that people wouldn't spend five seconds of their time writing their name on a piece of paper to help out fellow climbers who are going to lose the training facility they love.
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It's as if they are gloating about fellow climbers losing access to some of their favourite problems.
You all know who you are and should be ashamed.
Perhaps it is just jealousy or perhaps as you say there is no community spirit in climbing any more.
I have no vested interest in the facility but I will be signing the petition and every climber should do the same.
In reply to Tom, UKC News Editor:
i have trained at several facilites like this, including the School.
Would you be happy training at the Works rather than the school? They could do with a 50 degree training board there.
What's the publicity stunt - extreme abseiling?
I completely agree regarding all the other buildings users too.
> The school is a private wall like others around the UK, with 30 members paying a small sum to have access to a good training facility. Anyone can set up a wall like this if they choose.
i have trained at several facilites like this, including the School.
Would you be happy training at the Works rather than the school? They could do with a 50 degree training board there.
What's the publicity stunt - extreme abseiling?
I completely agree regarding all the other buildings users too.
In reply to TimS:
Of course it would be a loss, but I'm just trying to put it into perspective. For the artists that use the space, they have nowhere else to go.
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> Would you be happy training at the Works rather than the school? They could do with a 50 degree training board there.
Of course it would be a loss, but I'm just trying to put it into perspective. For the artists that use the space, they have nowhere else to go.
In reply to Tom, UKC News Editor:
I said this in the other thread and nobody seemed interested There are less and less 'rough and ready' community/mixed-use spaces around at affordable rents, so those that do exist should be hung on to!
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> Of course it would be a loss, but I'm just trying to put it into perspective. For the artists that use the space, they have nowhere else to go.
I said this in the other thread and nobody seemed interested There are less and less 'rough and ready' community/mixed-use spaces around at affordable rents, so those that do exist should be hung on to!
In reply to Tom, UKC News Editor:
Fair point Tom.
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> Of course it would be a loss, but I'm just trying to put it into perspective. For the artists that use the space, they have nowhere else to go.
Fair point Tom.
In reply to tobyfk:
Punters I'd imagine, middle-class isn't a pejorative term is it?
> Is the emphasis there on 'middle-class' or 'punters'?
Punters I'd imagine, middle-class isn't a pejorative term is it?
In reply to Simon:
I am a middle class punter and I would sign the petition (if I wasnt 200 miles from the Works).
I am a middle class punter and I would sign the petition (if I wasnt 200 miles from the Works).
In reply to Tyler:
Actually, aren't some of Sheffield's finest distinctly posh? Moffat ... Dawes ... for instance. Perhaps it's really the 'Public School Room'?
But on the other hand, I sense Access Simon styles himself as a working-class hero. So I am confused.
> Punters I'd imagine, middle-class isn't a pejorative term is it?
Actually, aren't some of Sheffield's finest distinctly posh? Moffat ... Dawes ... for instance. Perhaps it's really the 'Public School Room'?
But on the other hand, I sense Access Simon styles himself as a working-class hero. So I am confused.
In reply to tobyfk:
Yes but they're proper posh not middle class arrivistes and nouves.
> Actually, aren't some of Sheffield's finest distinctly posh? Moffat ... Dawes ... for instance.
Yes but they're proper posh not middle class arrivistes and nouves.
In reply to Tyler:
Exactly: so in that sense, perhaps the 'middle-class punter' comment was proper old-fashioned snobbery ... like the Queen's contempt for Kate Middleton's mum?
Exactly: so in that sense, perhaps the 'middle-class punter' comment was proper old-fashioned snobbery ... like the Queen's contempt for Kate Middleton's mum?
In reply to tobyfk:
Now I'm confused, is access Simon titled aristocracy and was Kate Middleton's mum denied access to the school room?
Regardless I think it would be a shame if the school closed, it is a (very small) part of climbing history and I'm sure to the congnesenti some of the problems are of great significance. As an aside I've recently been entrusted as the keeper of the McDougal boards (from Manchester uni) not as culturally significant as the school but having just read the Da Vinci Code I did feel like I was being admitted into the Brotherhood of Sion or whatever its called!
Now I'm confused, is access Simon titled aristocracy and was Kate Middleton's mum denied access to the school room?
Regardless I think it would be a shame if the school closed, it is a (very small) part of climbing history and I'm sure to the congnesenti some of the problems are of great significance. As an aside I've recently been entrusted as the keeper of the McDougal boards (from Manchester uni) not as culturally significant as the school but having just read the Da Vinci Code I did feel like I was being admitted into the Brotherhood of Sion or whatever its called!
In reply to Tyler:
I sense you've never met Jerry
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In reply to Simon:
There's a petition at the works, just by reception.
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There's a petition at the works, just by reception.
In reply to Tyler:
Indeed it's confusing. Until Simon clarifies, I suppose the logical hypothesis would be that the School Room is for the proper posh plus the salt-of-the-earth lower orders but not the tedious bourgeoisie. Like fox hunting.
> Now I'm confused, is access Simon titled aristocracy and was Kate Middleton's mum denied access to the school room?
Indeed it's confusing. Until Simon clarifies, I suppose the logical hypothesis would be that the School Room is for the proper posh plus the salt-of-the-earth lower orders but not the tedious bourgeoisie. Like fox hunting.
In reply to tobyfk:
Kate Middletons Mum did a right stinker in the school room toilets once and got barred.
- therefore the Queen got word of it and barred her from the royal shithouse.
1st with the News UKC always!!
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> Indeed it's confusing. Until Simon clarifies, I suppose the logical hypothesis would be that the School Room is for the proper posh plus the salt-of-the-earth lower orders but not the tedious bourgeoisie. Like fox hunting.
Kate Middletons Mum did a right stinker in the school room toilets once and got barred.
- therefore the Queen got word of it and barred her from the royal shithouse.
1st with the News UKC always!!
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In reply to TimS:
Theres a difference between camaradie and unthinkingly signing any old petition in support of someone elses climbing cause IMO. Just because you're a fellow climber it doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't take a wider view of the issues.
> (In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com) Sometimes I'm not sure I understand why people get all pissy about the School; is it because they think they are missing out on something?
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> It seems sad to me that people wouldn't spend five seconds of their time writing their name on a piece of paper to help out fellow climbers who are going to lose the training facility they love.
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> This has nothing to do with the history of the School, but everything to do with camaraderie between climbers, or does this not exist any more?
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> It seems sad to me that people wouldn't spend five seconds of their time writing their name on a piece of paper to help out fellow climbers who are going to lose the training facility they love.
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> This has nothing to do with the history of the School, but everything to do with camaraderie between climbers, or does this not exist any more?
Theres a difference between camaradie and unthinkingly signing any old petition in support of someone elses climbing cause IMO. Just because you're a fellow climber it doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't take a wider view of the issues.
In reply to timjones:
I wouldn't want anyone to unthinkingly sign the petition, I'd like them to think about how it might help out other climbers, and th artists who share the building and then sign it.
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> Theres a difference between camaradie and unthinkingly signing any old petition in support of someone elses climbing cause IMO.
I wouldn't want anyone to unthinkingly sign the petition, I'd like them to think about how it might help out other climbers, and th artists who share the building and then sign it.
In reply to Paul B: The School Room has played a very important role in British climbing history, and I wouldn't like to see it go under. I'd sign the petition if I was in Sheffield - any chance of an online petition for those of us living elsewhere.
In reply to Simon: At the moment climbing is a middle class sport i dont think many working class people have the time to indulge in such frivalous activities or the money to pay for gear even for bouldering of sport climbing which although dont need very much gear you seem to need lots of fasshion accessories.
Id sign this petition to help fellow climbers but would appreciate it if mick gave a full story as to why it is being closed; if it was providing cheap housing on a brownfeild site i probably wouldn't sign as there would be good reason for it closure.
An online petition would be good becasue unfortunately the needs of these climbers isn't sufficient to get me to get the train to go to sheffield and then climb inside in summer.
Also id suggest that you dont use silly words to describe people who are slightly less able climbers than you, if you want them to be nice to you dont abuse them, thanks to you this petition may have lost many potential signatures.
Maybe opening this facility to more people would help reduce any ill-feeling between climbers, although i dont know why anyone would want to go there, it has no long routes and looks dust.
Id sign this petition to help fellow climbers but would appreciate it if mick gave a full story as to why it is being closed; if it was providing cheap housing on a brownfeild site i probably wouldn't sign as there would be good reason for it closure.
An online petition would be good becasue unfortunately the needs of these climbers isn't sufficient to get me to get the train to go to sheffield and then climb inside in summer.
Also id suggest that you dont use silly words to describe people who are slightly less able climbers than you, if you want them to be nice to you dont abuse them, thanks to you this petition may have lost many potential signatures.
Maybe opening this facility to more people would help reduce any ill-feeling between climbers, although i dont know why anyone would want to go there, it has no long routes and looks dust.
In reply to JoeL 90:
Is that because they spend all day down t'pit or int mill?!
Studying Geography at college?! The most likely reuse scenario for this land is to build expensive housing
As mentioned before this is a private training facility like many other around the country, it just so happens that the best climbers this country has produced trained at this one.
> (In reply to Simon) At the moment climbing is a middle class sport i dont think many working class people have the time to indulge in such frivalous activities
Is that because they spend all day down t'pit or int mill?!
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> Id sign this petition to help fellow climbers but would appreciate it if mick gave a full story as to why it is being closed; if it was providing cheap housing on a brownfeild site i probably wouldn't sign as there would be good reason for it closure.
> Id sign this petition to help fellow climbers but would appreciate it if mick gave a full story as to why it is being closed; if it was providing cheap housing on a brownfeild site i probably wouldn't sign as there would be good reason for it closure.
Studying Geography at college?! The most likely reuse scenario for this land is to build expensive housing
> Maybe opening this facility to more people would help reduce any ill-feeling between climbers,
As mentioned before this is a private training facility like many other around the country, it just so happens that the best climbers this country has produced trained at this one.
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
btw, did anyone find a gold accurist skeleton watch there around 1996?
I left it there, was gutted, twas my fave watch....
btw, did anyone find a gold accurist skeleton watch there around 1996?
I left it there, was gutted, twas my fave watch....
In reply to JoeL 90:
You have obviously never seen Simon climb have you... 8-)
bluebrad
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> Also id suggest that you dont use silly words to describe people who are slightly less able climbers than you
You have obviously never seen Simon climb have you... 8-)
bluebrad
In reply to seagull:
Why are the council askign themto quit and wnat are they going to do with the property for starters?
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> And what's the wider view?
Why are the council askign themto quit and wnat are they going to do with the property for starters?
In reply to TimS:
So what are the council proposing to do with the site?
jk
> I wouldn't want anyone to unthinkingly sign the petition, I'd like them to think about how it might help out other climbers, and th artists who share the building and then sign it.
So what are the council proposing to do with the site?
jk
In reply to jkarran: Build some nice expensive flats as far as I know. Essentially they get next to no rent for the building at the moment, so I assume they'd like to release some of the land's value.
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
This is sad news and I shall sign the petition when I see it. I hope that the campaign to keep it open is also getting some advice on possible security of tenure, which the School may have. It might be another way of keeping it open. If your not getting advice, I can try and help.
This is sad news and I shall sign the petition when I see it. I hope that the campaign to keep it open is also getting some advice on possible security of tenure, which the School may have. It might be another way of keeping it open. If your not getting advice, I can try and help.
In reply to TimS:
Im studying geography at school yes; nut brownfield/greenfield sites are on the news all the time most will get taught about them in primary school.
I think if you read my post properly youll find that i said if this were the case i wouldn't sign the petition not that it was the most likely scenario! my point is the report doesn't say this the use could be anything from a casino to a hospital for orphans.
Yes i wasn't condemming it! i would still sign the petition if only font8a climbers and above were allowed in as it helps fellow climbers (as long as if wasnt been cleared for good reason). Is merely a suggestion to gain more support for it maybe opening the potential members from 30 upwards may make the 'middle-class punters' feel more included and sign.
The lesson to be learned here is read the post properly before you answer, much of this seems unnecssary if youd have read thouroughly
ta
Joe
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> Is that because they spend all day down t'pit or int mill?!
No its becasue they barely exist in this country, also to climb you need lots of time and a bit of money most people in this country who would truly qualify as working class simply wouln't have this.
> Studying Geography at college?! The most likely reuse scenario for this land is to build expensive housing
Im studying geography at school yes; nut brownfield/greenfield sites are on the news all the time most will get taught about them in primary school.
I think if you read my post properly youll find that i said if this were the case i wouldn't sign the petition not that it was the most likely scenario! my point is the report doesn't say this the use could be anything from a casino to a hospital for orphans.
> As mentioned before this is a private training facility like many other around the country, it just so happens that the best climbers this country has produced trained at this one.
Yes i wasn't condemming it! i would still sign the petition if only font8a climbers and above were allowed in as it helps fellow climbers (as long as if wasnt been cleared for good reason). Is merely a suggestion to gain more support for it maybe opening the potential members from 30 upwards may make the 'middle-class punters' feel more included and sign.
The lesson to be learned here is read the post properly before you answer, much of this seems unnecssary if youd have read thouroughly
ta
Joe
In reply to JoeL 90:
..oops - thats me told off then - I think!??
- but I'm having trouble understanding why I have stopped people signing a petition down the works - your bonkers mate!
However I do love your English - so easy to read & slick - keep up the good work fella...
- oh and if its words & silly - I'm your man if you ever need any!
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> Also id suggest that you dont use silly words to >describe people who are slightly less able climbers than >you, if you want them to be nice to you dont abuse them, >thanks to you this petition may have lost many potential >signatures.
..oops - thats me told off then - I think!??
- but I'm having trouble understanding why I have stopped people signing a petition down the works - your bonkers mate!
However I do love your English - so easy to read & slick - keep up the good work fella...
- oh and if its words & silly - I'm your man if you ever need any!
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si
In reply to Simon:
Me too! Must read more carefully in the future
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In reply to TimS:
..reckon we gonna get a canning from him?
...seems the type like....
(Ben Dover boy....)
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..reckon we gonna get a canning from him?
...seems the type like....
(Ben Dover boy....)
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In reply to JoeL 90:
Maybe it's just the way you treat your staff?
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In reply to timjones:
If you read the news piece it says:
"If you would like to register your support please sign the petition located at the reception desk of ‘The Climbing Works’, Sheffield. "
If not then thanks for reading.
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> Theres a difference between camaradie and unthinkingly signing any old petition in support of someone elses climbing cause IMO. Just because you're a fellow climber it doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't take a wider view of the issues.
If you read the news piece it says:
"If you would like to register your support please sign the petition located at the reception desk of ‘The Climbing Works’, Sheffield. "
If not then thanks for reading.
Who's Kate Middleton?
In reply to BrianT:
She was famous when she was going out with Prince William but then they split up and now she is a nobody.
HTH
bluebrad
PS - I still would even though she is a nobody these days... 8-)
> Who's Kate Middleton?
She was famous when she was going out with Prince William but then they split up and now she is a nobody.
HTH
bluebrad
PS - I still would even though she is a nobody these days... 8-)
In reply to Mick B:
an ice rink
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an ice rink
I'm still no wiser.
In reply to Simon:
Right here.......beneath where it reads "Cash".
hehehe.
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Right here.......beneath where it reads "Cash".
hehehe.
In reply to Mystery Toad:
did we have a lil drinkie last night??
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did we have a lil drinkie last night??
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