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And whilst he had to go, the process was brutal.

It wouldn't happen like that in the UK.

In reply to Removed User:

So this is how it works...

I walk into his office and ask him to come and see me, I then escourt him to a room where an HR person is waiting, look him in the eye and say
"I'm sorry to tell you that you are no longer a fit for the team, today will be your last day, HR will now take you through the paperwork" and then I leave.

That's it. No explaination. No notice. No chance for a debate.

In reply to Removed User: tough job. if he had to go he had to go though,

what would you have prefered to do? would have allowing him the chance for debate led to any chance of changing the decision to sack him?

In reply to Removed User:

Bloody hell! That is brutal.

Did you leave him with a loaded revolver and a bottle of whisky?

In reply to Removed User: I've sacked a few people, but they were all ont' rob.

Quite satisfying to see them swear on their mothers life that they have not stole anything in there life in an investigation interview, then open up my little blue folder with the cctv stills, and the rest of the evidence. and see there face's go blank and sweat start pouring.

I am quite evil aren't I!

In reply to Removed User: Were you made to do it like that? Ive had to ask people to leave a number of times and whilst the outcome for the person is the same I try to be a bit more sympathetic.

In reply to woolsack: I've had to 'let a few people go' in my time as well and never needed to be quite like that.

What are you doing, running a drugs cartel?

In reply to Removed User:

Whre are you based, that such a procedure is the norm? I think here in the UK, you'd certainly have to have been given more official 'warnings' that you were being seen as a non-fit, rathern than just hit right out of the blue like that.

In reply to Removed User: If you think that's bad, a friend last night told me that her daughter had her boss fired..... He wasn't doing his job, so she took it higher and they gave him the sack....

In reply to Removed User: Do you always do what you are told to do, no matter how much it may rankle and then assuage your guilt on the internet?

In reply to Removed User:

His/her fate could be worse...

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/sacked-citigroup-workers-bought...

In reply to Yanchik:

brilliant

In reply to Mike Highbury: That is not a very nice thing to say. A classic example of something you might say to someone online, but not to their face. You know nothing about Bobt or the circumstances he was put in. To me, it sounds pretty horrendous, but I guess that is the way things work in Canada?

In reply to Removed User:

From what I have read on here this week, lots of people would have been happy to treat an employee like this if they had been discovered on the BNP list.

I am surprised that things happen like this in Canada though. I always had the impression that Canada was a particularly liberal and human rights aware country.

In reply to Jon Dittman:

unless there were any prior proceedings it sound pretty unjust

the rules of natural justice include

- knowing the case against you
- having both sides of the argument heard
- not having the judge(decision maker) hearing a case he is a part of

In reply to Removed User:

I tend to go for the Alan Sugar approach.

In reply to Removed User:

>It wouldn't happen like that in the UK.

It used to do, I was fired like that for not being in the union. Working away happily then called into supervisors office. Asked why I had not rejoined the union, told them why and then told I had to go. Escorted to my workbench to collect personal stuff, then pay office then off the premises.

It was nearly 40 years ago, but it still happens in sensitive sites where you can screw things up in revenge.

In reply to sutty:

You might be suspended and escorted off the premises, but there should then be some sort of investigation (if it hasn't already taken place), a hearing and possibly an appeal. Not a summary sacking. Sounds like the unions were too powerful in your scenario and perhaps not powerful enough in Bobt's scenario.

In reply to EarlyBird:
One can only assume its for gross misconduct, in which case you want to get rid of the person as quickly as possible.

If you work in banking or sales for example, you know you'll get marched out the door straight away, and that it's nothing personal.

If its gross misconduct surely you'd know you'd f*cked up and be expecting the boot too, no?

otherwise yeah, in th eUK there's all sorts of procedures that must be completed...

In reply to kendogcatchy:

>" otherwise yeah, in th eUK there's all sorts of procedures that must be completed..."

It is quite legal to sack someone in this way, by giving them their contracted notice, say 3 months, but as part of it you might not want them working there during that time. They get 3 months paid time off job hunting. You know that they won't wreck your business, copy files, have access to your network etc.. during that 3 months. Happens alot in some industry, their IT accounts will be frozen straight away and so on.

In reply to Removed User:

it's sort of like being a serial killer; the first time you do it is a bit strange, but you soon discover you sort of like it, and want to do it more and more

In reply to trevor simpson:

just trying to get my head round - first time serial killer !

In reply to Removed User:

I can't speak for the UK, but it certainly wouldn't happen like that at our place. You could commit several murders here and get away with it. The first one management would explain away as an accident, the second one would be a coincidence, and the third would result in a verbal warning. Unless, of course, you said it wasn't you, in which case it would be shelved due to lack of evidence because it's just the word of five witnesses against your word. Hearsay, basically.

We like crooks.

In reply to Removed User:

Just to answer some of the comments:

Yes, it is a sensitive business - Accountants
Yes, I was instructed to do it this way and, in truth, I can see some merit.
No, it was not for gross misconduct, in fact he wasn't a bad person, but he was also very difficult to manage and couldn't do the job.

Funnily enough, Canada is heavily unionised - just not in the accounting industry.

He was sacked "without cause" which is why there is no proceedure. We could have sacked "with cause" but this would have meant it was on his record and that he would receive no severence package.

So, to answer my critics, I don't regret sacking him but I do wish the methodology had been a little more subtle.

BTW - he is offered counselling and outreach access.

In reply to Removed User:

I heard of a case in Silicon Valley (Motorola, I think - may be urban myth of course) where after a fire drill, some of the employees passes did not let them back into the building.

In reply to Fraser:

Not sure, if you've been employed less than 12 months, they don't have to give you a reason or owt. Happened to a friend of mine, that she was told that "sorry, it's not working out" and was made to leave immediately. There weren't any warnings at all before. All happened a couple of weeks before the 12 months were up, too.

In reply to Amster-dan:

If it's your first time, it can hardly be 'serial', what if you tried it and didn't like it?