In reply to allie bee:
Yep, sorry not having a go at anyone hope it did not come across like that, and I'm in the "leave me climb" camp, although that's because i climb, i can climb and just don't want to get tied into wasting half hour showing me things i know, but on the other hand, i totally agree that it is perhaps what's needed to ensure these places maintain a relative safety record.
As i said before though, all the best for them, and if we have any criticism, lets make it constructive.
James.