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Up until 5 months ago, I’ve only ever climbed with a relatively small group of people, most of whom I’ve known for a long time. These are people who’s company I enjoy on and off the rock, who I’m comfortable with from a safety perspective and who I would say I know well and they know me well. Pretty cosy really. Of late these friends have not been available when I am and vice-versa, I’ve needed and wanted to get out climbing and have resorted to posting on UKC.
In the past 5 months I’ve climbed with 5 people from UKC, it transpires that all were competent from a safety perspective, clearly something you won’t know til you’re out there together. I'd climb again with at least 4 of them and have arranged to do so with 2.
So have I been lucky? Are there bad experiences out there to be had? There is clearly a risk in turning up and climbing with someone you know very little about.
It is the fact that I’ve had such positive experiences that have prompted me to post, yet I know that I could not blindly recommend to others to do likewise.
In the past 5 months I’ve climbed with 5 people from UKC, it transpires that all were competent from a safety perspective, clearly something you won’t know til you’re out there together. I'd climb again with at least 4 of them and have arranged to do so with 2.
So have I been lucky? Are there bad experiences out there to be had? There is clearly a risk in turning up and climbing with someone you know very little about.
It is the fact that I’ve had such positive experiences that have prompted me to post, yet I know that I could not blindly recommend to others to do likewise.
In reply to Alan Bates: i've met up with one guy from UKC when i was away from home two summers ago. he was a good bloke and i'd happily climb with him again, and he's been in touch since but i've not been around when he is!
In reply to Alan Bates:
I haven't climbed with anybody I've contacted through UKC yet.
I've climbed with one or two incompetent people I've met through climbing clubs but have also teamed up with complete strangers and pulled off some pretty big routes.
I haven't climbed with anybody I've contacted through UKC yet.
I've climbed with one or two incompetent people I've met through climbing clubs but have also teamed up with complete strangers and pulled off some pretty big routes.
In reply to Alan Bates:
Have done it a few times and have never had any problems. It's important to have a chat by phone beforehand. Have also teamed up with a few strangers for Alpine climbing around Chamonix - they also turned out to be fine, I did some good routes with them and have subsequently climbed with one of them. Given that Alpine climbing is more serious (you can't just walk away like you can at a crag!), it's important to have a detailed discussion beforehand. I've heard stories of would-be partners turning out to be somewhat less experienced than they claim.
Have done it a few times and have never had any problems. It's important to have a chat by phone beforehand. Have also teamed up with a few strangers for Alpine climbing around Chamonix - they also turned out to be fine, I did some good routes with them and have subsequently climbed with one of them. Given that Alpine climbing is more serious (you can't just walk away like you can at a crag!), it's important to have a detailed discussion beforehand. I've heard stories of would-be partners turning out to be somewhat less experienced than they claim.
In reply to Alan Bates:
Met two people from here... now consider them friends off the rock as well as climbing partners on.
Met two people from here... now consider them friends off the rock as well as climbing partners on.
In reply to Northern Climber, Goggie, Misha and A Longleat Boulderer: Good experiences all round from UKC, long may they last
In reply to Alan Bates:
Never had an issue, and I've climbed with some of the more colourful characters here - internet personas tend to be very different to the real thing. I wouldn't go climbing with someone with no profile though.
The idea that UKC is full of people that don't climb is a myth popularised by those that love to hate it.
Never had an issue, and I've climbed with some of the more colourful characters here - internet personas tend to be very different to the real thing. I wouldn't go climbing with someone with no profile though.
The idea that UKC is full of people that don't climb is a myth popularised by those that love to hate it.
I've climbed with a few people off here, mainly fine. But two I climbed with close together spring to mind: both claimed to "lead about VS". One fell off seconding V Diff and set up belays off loose flakes, making a whole lot of noise through it. The other cruised VS and was hugely relaxed - finally twigged who she was by the end of the day.
Bit of a different self assessment of ability from the blokes and girls IME......
Bit of a different self assessment of ability from the blokes and girls IME......
In reply to Alan Bates: No one mentioned Icemonster yet?
I've met lots of lovely people from here. Climbed with some (and they've become friends who I climb with regularly), walk with others and also drink beer, eat pig snacks and cake (not together) too! I can't think of any bad times to be honest! The people I've bought from / sold stuff to have been lovely too! Co:
In reply to Alan Bates:
All positive in my experience. I've acquired a few regular partners through UKC and had single days out with others. People are usually quite honest regarding their abilities, seems silly to lie about it as you'll get found out pretty quick.
All positive in my experience. I've acquired a few regular partners through UKC and had single days out with others. People are usually quite honest regarding their abilities, seems silly to lie about it as you'll get found out pretty quick.
In reply to Alan Bates:
I've met and climbed with a bunch of people off here. Haven't had a bad experience yet and I'd climb with any of them again.
jk
I've met and climbed with a bunch of people off here. Haven't had a bad experience yet and I'd climb with any of them again.
jk
In reply to Alan Bates:
I've climbed with three from here. One was solid at the advertised grade and personable and so we had a very pleasant evening's cragging.
One other, fortunately indoors, turned out to be a novice to all intents and purposes. That was just embarrassing - can't get off the ground embarrassing.
The third one was disturbing and had the air of someone on the run. Left gear behind on stances and was off like a rocket at the end of the evening, leaving some more of his gear lying on the ground. Strange and costly, rather than dangerous.
I've climbed with three from here. One was solid at the advertised grade and personable and so we had a very pleasant evening's cragging.
One other, fortunately indoors, turned out to be a novice to all intents and purposes. That was just embarrassing - can't get off the ground embarrassing.
The third one was disturbing and had the air of someone on the run. Left gear behind on stances and was off like a rocket at the end of the evening, leaving some more of his gear lying on the ground. Strange and costly, rather than dangerous.
In reply to Alan Bates:
Haha, hope I wasn't the fifth - Never mind. I've climbed with quite a few random people, some off the internet, some I've just met at crags. I'm not sure whether you would go as far as to call them bad experiences, but they weren't good, especially the second. The two things that happened to me (different partners) were
1) Their lead grade in reality was much much lower than they had claimed beforehand. They blamed this on rock type.
2) They said they could double rope belay, after being about 4m up trying to clip the first piece of gear and asking for slack on a particular rope they asked `how can I give out slack on only one rope?'
Haha, hope I wasn't the fifth - Never mind. I've climbed with quite a few random people, some off the internet, some I've just met at crags. I'm not sure whether you would go as far as to call them bad experiences, but they weren't good, especially the second. The two things that happened to me (different partners) were
1) Their lead grade in reality was much much lower than they had claimed beforehand. They blamed this on rock type.
2) They said they could double rope belay, after being about 4m up trying to clip the first piece of gear and asking for slack on a particular rope they asked `how can I give out slack on only one rope?'
In reply to Alan Bates: I've met and climbed with several UKCers, all of them nice and competent, and very patient with me as I was learning the ropes.
In reply to Alan Bates:
Have climbed with about a dozen people off of here, a couple of them have been unexpectedly very good climbers, none of them have been worse/less-competent climbers that advertised, so a good experience overall. I now climb with a few of them regularly and would climb with any of them again.
Have climbed with about a dozen people off of here, a couple of them have been unexpectedly very good climbers, none of them have been worse/less-competent climbers that advertised, so a good experience overall. I now climb with a few of them regularly and would climb with any of them again.
In reply to Alan Bates:
Climbed with quite a few people from here and have had only pleasant experiences that I can recall.
Climbed with quite a few people from here and have had only pleasant experiences that I can recall.
In reply to Alan Bates:
With the exception of Darren Jackson who put me in a sack and threw me in the river, I have have had nothing but pleasant happy climbing times with the people I have met from Parsleywood.
With the exception of Darren Jackson who put me in a sack and threw me in the river, I have have had nothing but pleasant happy climbing times with the people I have met from Parsleywood.
In reply to Alan Bates:
I've climbed with probably about 10-15 different people from UKC. A few I'm good friends with. Most I've climbed with more than once. Every I'd climb with again.
James
I've climbed with probably about 10-15 different people from UKC. A few I'm good friends with. Most I've climbed with more than once. Every I'd climb with again.
James
In reply to Alan Bates: I've climbed with 3 or 4 people from UKC, all positive experiences. I think honesty about your ability/experience is the most important thing when arranging to climb with a new partners - I've always been honest about being rubbish.
In reply to Alan Bates:
I've had terrible, just terrible experiences.
I only still climb with some of them because of the promise of cake.
I've had terrible, just terrible experiences.
I only still climb with some of them because of the promise of cake.
In reply to heist182:
I had an, er, interesting experience with him. I spent most the time apologising to the wall staff for his behaviour and trying to explain that I hadn't met him before that day and certainly wouldn't be climbing with him again. He also didn't take kindly to them asking him what the hell he was doing when ignoring the wall's rules.
Despite me thinking that it had gone terribly and it should have been pretty obvious I did not enjoy his company, he invited me to go to Scotland with him the next week, shortly before a rather interesting thread on here... I'm quite glad I declined.
Almost everyone else I've met on here and through UKRGB have been fine, with the exception of one guy shortly before I was due to go paddling with him (married and about twice my age) decided to proposition me, got abusive when I said no, then followed up with a couple of weeks of ringing, texting, finding and sending me messages on facebook. I didn't go on ukrgb for a while after that.
I had an, er, interesting experience with him. I spent most the time apologising to the wall staff for his behaviour and trying to explain that I hadn't met him before that day and certainly wouldn't be climbing with him again. He also didn't take kindly to them asking him what the hell he was doing when ignoring the wall's rules.
Despite me thinking that it had gone terribly and it should have been pretty obvious I did not enjoy his company, he invited me to go to Scotland with him the next week, shortly before a rather interesting thread on here... I'm quite glad I declined.
Almost everyone else I've met on here and through UKRGB have been fine, with the exception of one guy shortly before I was due to go paddling with him (married and about twice my age) decided to proposition me, got abusive when I said no, then followed up with a couple of weeks of ringing, texting, finding and sending me messages on facebook. I didn't go on ukrgb for a while after that.
In reply to Alan Bates: Climbed with a couple both on the crag and in Winter. Found them all to be fine company, competent at the level they said they were and good days were had. I hope they would say the same about me!
In reply to Alan Bates:
This is really interesting as I'm off out this evening with a 'new to me' group of people. In the last 20 years I think I've had less than a dozen partners so its good to hear so much positive.
This is really interesting as I'm off out this evening with a 'new to me' group of people. In the last 20 years I think I've had less than a dozen partners so its good to hear so much positive.
In reply to Alan Bates:
I have had some really good experiences met some friendly/helpful people and generally all round great company. People I would certainly contact again to climb with!
I have had some really good experiences met some friendly/helpful people and generally all round great company. People I would certainly contact again to climb with!
In reply to Alan Bates:
I've climbed with at least 15 people from here. All were at least good experiences, some have been ideal re shared approach to climbing. I spent many years climbing with only the same small group of climbers and, while they were lovely, it was bad for my climbing and my confidence. Aside from the fresh social aspect, there is always something to learn from other climbers.
I've climbed with at least 15 people from here. All were at least good experiences, some have been ideal re shared approach to climbing. I spent many years climbing with only the same small group of climbers and, while they were lovely, it was bad for my climbing and my confidence. Aside from the fresh social aspect, there is always something to learn from other climbers.
In reply to ericinbristol:
This thread has reminded me of the need to pimp myself out once more. It's very reassuring that most people turn out to be normal, positive, safe and enthusiastic - trying to explain to people that you're off to meet a random stranger and (effectively) put your life in their hands does meet with some strange looks from non-climbers...
This thread has reminded me of the need to pimp myself out once more. It's very reassuring that most people turn out to be normal, positive, safe and enthusiastic - trying to explain to people that you're off to meet a random stranger and (effectively) put your life in their hands does meet with some strange looks from non-climbers...
In reply to Tall Clare: With the odd (including one 'very odd'), exception it's great to read that so many have benefited in this way from the UKC. Hopefully it gives confidence to those thinking of doing likewise.
I've used the forum for other purposes for several years but only added a profile fairly recently, for the very reason given by some of you i.e. no profile means (for some) no way. An honest profile seems to be all that matters.
One of the reasons I started this post was to gauge the overall experience of UKC climbers and it appears to be the case that the 'to be avoided people' are very rare indeed.
I've used the forum for other purposes for several years but only added a profile fairly recently, for the very reason given by some of you i.e. no profile means (for some) no way. An honest profile seems to be all that matters.
One of the reasons I started this post was to gauge the overall experience of UKC climbers and it appears to be the case that the 'to be avoided people' are very rare indeed.
In reply to Tall Clare:
Great stuff, go for it. Ironically, the same people giving you the quizzical looks don't think twice about doing something much more dangerous with a stranger i.e. being driven in a car by them.
Great stuff, go for it. Ironically, the same people giving you the quizzical looks don't think twice about doing something much more dangerous with a stranger i.e. being driven in a car by them.
In reply to Alan Bates:
I have never climbed with someone who has posted on UKC but has no UKC profile. They may be okay, but I prefer more of a sense of openness.
I have never climbed with someone who has posted on UKC but has no UKC profile. They may be okay, but I prefer more of a sense of openness.
In reply to Tall Clare:
>trying to explain to people that you're off to meet a random stranger and (effectively) put your life in their hands
They don't seem to have the same problem with cab drivers.
I've met many entertaining people from UKC and the odd dork, rather like life in general. How anyone could expect any other outcome is beyond me.
jcm
>trying to explain to people that you're off to meet a random stranger and (effectively) put your life in their hands
They don't seem to have the same problem with cab drivers.
I've met many entertaining people from UKC and the odd dork, rather like life in general. How anyone could expect any other outcome is beyond me.
jcm
In reply to Alan Bates:
Although I've met and climbed with many lovely people from UKC, I can't think of many that I've climbed with on the first meeting. Except Scarab9 who got the nickname Bambi from his climbing style on that first outing
Although I've met and climbed with many lovely people from UKC, I can't think of many that I've climbed with on the first meeting. Except Scarab9 who got the nickname Bambi from his climbing style on that first outing
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
I didn't suggest that their reaction was based on logic!
Agreed, pretty obvious, but the occasional 'I met a screeching mentalist and we both nearly died' posts can loom large in some people's minds - no harm in sharing positive experiences.
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> >trying to explain to people that you're off to meet a random stranger and (effectively) put your life in their hands
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> They don't seem to have the same problem with cab drivers.
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> >trying to explain to people that you're off to meet a random stranger and (effectively) put your life in their hands
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> They don't seem to have the same problem with cab drivers.
I didn't suggest that their reaction was based on logic!
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> I've met many entertaining people from UKC and the odd dork, rather like life in general. How anyone could expect any other outcome is beyond me.
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> I've met many entertaining people from UKC and the odd dork, rather like life in general. How anyone could expect any other outcome is beyond me.
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Agreed, pretty obvious, but the occasional 'I met a screeching mentalist and we both nearly died' posts can loom large in some people's minds - no harm in sharing positive experiences.
In reply to Alan Bates:
i met a previous long term climbing partner off here (he's moved to wales now) and had a one day with another chap, a couple of years ago. and nearly climbed with someone from up aberdeenshire way, but unfortunately i had to bail for a physio appointment.
would happily climb with both again (the one dayer unfortunately keeps visiting scotland while i'm away lol)
the chap now living in wales has had a few less plesant experiences with folk he's met and ended up with at least one epic after the guy couldn't climb what he claimed he could. i think that has made me understate my ability a bit when arranging to climb with new people rather than be over c0cky. better to have a nice day on something easy than a rubbish day and need the big yellow taxi to get home.
i met a previous long term climbing partner off here (he's moved to wales now) and had a one day with another chap, a couple of years ago. and nearly climbed with someone from up aberdeenshire way, but unfortunately i had to bail for a physio appointment.
would happily climb with both again (the one dayer unfortunately keeps visiting scotland while i'm away lol)
the chap now living in wales has had a few less plesant experiences with folk he's met and ended up with at least one epic after the guy couldn't climb what he claimed he could. i think that has made me understate my ability a bit when arranging to climb with new people rather than be over c0cky. better to have a nice day on something easy than a rubbish day and need the big yellow taxi to get home.
In reply to Tall Clare:
even more so when people ask me what i did for my 40th birthday...
"i spent the day up a cliff tied to a man i met on the internet" often raises a few eyebrows...
even more so when people ask me what i did for my 40th birthday...
"i spent the day up a cliff tied to a man i met on the internet" often raises a few eyebrows...
In reply to Ava Adore:
was just about to add my twopence when saw this
I've met several (er...8?) complete strangers over time and apart from one (who was a nice guy and good climber but we didn't click as such) I still climb with them all, and have gone on to meet LOADS more through them who also post on here. All fantastic people and several I consider among my best friends
Of course you have to be pretty thick skinned and have little to no sense of smell to hang out with Ava...just a warning :-p
> (In reply to Alan Bates)
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> Although I've met and climbed with many lovely people from UKC, I can't think of many that I've climbed with on the first meeting. Except Scarab9 who got the nickname Bambi from his climbing style on that first outing
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> Although I've met and climbed with many lovely people from UKC, I can't think of many that I've climbed with on the first meeting. Except Scarab9 who got the nickname Bambi from his climbing style on that first outing
was just about to add my twopence when saw this
I've met several (er...8?) complete strangers over time and apart from one (who was a nice guy and good climber but we didn't click as such) I still climb with them all, and have gone on to meet LOADS more through them who also post on here. All fantastic people and several I consider among my best friends
Of course you have to be pretty thick skinned and have little to no sense of smell to hang out with Ava...just a warning :-p
In reply to Alan Bates: Every Partner ive been out with has been as a result of this forum i reckon and no bad experiences at all. in fact some of the best experiences ive had has been as a result of climbing with these individuals.
The first partner i ever went climbing with 2 years ago, we still get out all the time together and have progressed through the sport together.
Another partner i go with is really experienced and shares the same sense of humour and outlook as me, and has taught me loads through our days together, met about 1/5 years ago and climb with him most of the time, in fact hoping to get out for another climbing trip this weekend.
and then theres Darren.....one funny person haha
so back to the point no dramas, just made good mates and share some brilliant climbing together
The first partner i ever went climbing with 2 years ago, we still get out all the time together and have progressed through the sport together.
Another partner i go with is really experienced and shares the same sense of humour and outlook as me, and has taught me loads through our days together, met about 1/5 years ago and climb with him most of the time, in fact hoping to get out for another climbing trip this weekend.
and then theres Darren.....one funny person haha
so back to the point no dramas, just made good mates and share some brilliant climbing together
In reply to Tall Clare:
Some people have no sense of humour...
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> 'I met a screeching mentalist and we both nearly died'
> 'I met a screeching mentalist and we both nearly died'
Some people have no sense of humour...
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In reply to Alan Bates: Everyone I've climbed with from on here has been very nice. Occasional bit of dodgy belaying, but they got better at the days progressed.
Plus, as some have already said, I would count a few of these people as friends who I'd happily socialise with in a non climbing context.
Plus, as some have already said, I would count a few of these people as friends who I'd happily socialise with in a non climbing context.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously: Try explaining to the wife your off for a week in Spain with women you met on the net!
Since moving have met loads of people through UKC-all fine, some friendships-no mishaps.
Rich
Since moving have met loads of people through UKC-all fine, some friendships-no mishaps.
Rich
In reply to Alan Bates: I nearly climbed at the wall with someone off here! We arranged to meet at the wall, but he got held up in traffic, and by the time he made it to the wall, the staff there told him I'd gone home. I was actually climbing with someone else there at the time!
Then I got broke, so haven't climbed since. Hopfully though, later this year I migh be fit enough to start finding climbing partners off here again!
Then I got broke, so haven't climbed since. Hopfully though, later this year I migh be fit enough to start finding climbing partners off here again!
In reply to Alan Bates:
Thought I recognised your name, no chance of me going out alone with you;
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054215/
Only joking.
Lancashire cave and crag club seems to be active with people of all ages in it and worth contacting, and they have a hut near Dow crag.
Thought I recognised your name, no chance of me going out alone with you;
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054215/
Only joking.
Lancashire cave and crag club seems to be active with people of all ages in it and worth contacting, and they have a hut near Dow crag.
In reply to Alan Bates: I've yet to climb with anyone I like. Gimps, the lot of 'em.
Not climbed with anyone off here and lucky enough i don't need to, but judging off the people on this forum i really wouldn't like to they seem very arrogant and narrow minded about newcomers, but i am sure they feel the same about me.
In reply to sutty: Shucks I've been sussed, everyone else is too young to remember the Bates Motel, there goes any chance of bivying overnight with anyone, thanks a lot Sutty!
In reply to Wesley Orvis: People tend to be nicer in person. It is very easy to be arrogant and confrontational across the internet, especially when stupid dipsticks such as yourself... whoops, there it goes again.
> (In reply to Wesley Orvis) People tend to be nicer in person. It is very easy to be arrogant and confrontational across the internet, especially when stupid dipsticks such as yourself... whoops, there it goes again.
point proved!!
In reply to Tall Clare:
"This thread has reminded me of the need to pimp myself out once more."
Only the once?
I reckon you could make a nice little earner from your hobby. I mean photography of course and not knitting.
"This thread has reminded me of the need to pimp myself out once more."
Only the once?
I reckon you could make a nice little earner from your hobby. I mean photography of course and not knitting.
In reply to Wesley Orvis: Sarcasm doesn't transmit well in text form does it...
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
And they're all murderers.
> (In reply to Tall Clare)
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> >trying to explain to people that you're off to meet a random stranger and (effectively) put your life in their hands
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> They don't seem to have the same problem with cab drivers.
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> >trying to explain to people that you're off to meet a random stranger and (effectively) put your life in their hands
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> They don't seem to have the same problem with cab drivers.
And they're all murderers.
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
With posts like the following, from another thread, I would be surprised if you ever get any climbing partners. As for waiting for conditions to be right, that is why the 'old timer p*****' as you like to call them are still alive. You should get your arse back to UK Fellwalking if you dislike it so much on here. You'll be banned soon enough anyway with abusive language like that.
" Seams to me like you would get a better class of people trailing porn forums then you get on this site, i cannot believe the ammount of dickheads on here, and i have only joined the site recently. Really tells you something about the state of U.K. climbing. Don't worry avayaman i live in the Lakes and see the kind of stuff your on about all the time i know where you are coming from and also try and help famailies heading in the wrong direction, these pricks on here haven't climbed in years they are the kind of people who sit in forums, campsites and car parks telling stories about what they have climbed and "EXHIBITIONS" they have been on, when the reality is if they did some climbing they might not waste there lives away on here chatting shit. Grow up you old timer pricks and make way for the new generation of climbers like me, who actually go out and do it instead of wasting their time away waiting for the right conditions, which never seem to arrive, although at the same time they are waitng for conditions to be in nick we have done it touched the summit and brewing up at home. So if you ain't climbed for the last ten years give it up and get on a "hasbeen" climbing site."
Hmmm, so speaks the voice of 'today's climber'. Wrong attitute completely.
With posts like the following, from another thread, I would be surprised if you ever get any climbing partners. As for waiting for conditions to be right, that is why the 'old timer p*****' as you like to call them are still alive. You should get your arse back to UK Fellwalking if you dislike it so much on here. You'll be banned soon enough anyway with abusive language like that.
" Seams to me like you would get a better class of people trailing porn forums then you get on this site, i cannot believe the ammount of dickheads on here, and i have only joined the site recently. Really tells you something about the state of U.K. climbing. Don't worry avayaman i live in the Lakes and see the kind of stuff your on about all the time i know where you are coming from and also try and help famailies heading in the wrong direction, these pricks on here haven't climbed in years they are the kind of people who sit in forums, campsites and car parks telling stories about what they have climbed and "EXHIBITIONS" they have been on, when the reality is if they did some climbing they might not waste there lives away on here chatting shit. Grow up you old timer pricks and make way for the new generation of climbers like me, who actually go out and do it instead of wasting their time away waiting for the right conditions, which never seem to arrive, although at the same time they are waitng for conditions to be in nick we have done it touched the summit and brewing up at home. So if you ain't climbed for the last ten years give it up and get on a "hasbeen" climbing site."
Hmmm, so speaks the voice of 'today's climber'. Wrong attitute completely.
well out of order without reading the rest of the conversation, a group of older mountaineers were ridiculing him for been young and not having much experience when he had qualifications which is much more than i have. Therefore i was mainly aiming it at them talk about taking out of context of the conversation.
In reply to Alan Bates:
All the people I've met have strangley vanished after various climbing trips and their bodies have never been found, whilst at the same time my rack has grown.
I am looking for new climbing boddies, I mean buddies any takers?
All the people I've met have strangley vanished after various climbing trips and their bodies have never been found, whilst at the same time my rack has grown.
I am looking for new climbing boddies, I mean buddies any takers?
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
Your drivel has nothing to do with the rest of the conversation, it is an attack on the members of this forum. As a newbie, maybe you should rein your tongue in a bit. There are certainly members of this forum who gave up climbing a long time ago, but will have more right to be here than you ever will be. To say that they should go to a 'has been' forum is right out of order. Read what you have written.
Your drivel has nothing to do with the rest of the conversation, it is an attack on the members of this forum. As a newbie, maybe you should rein your tongue in a bit. There are certainly members of this forum who gave up climbing a long time ago, but will have more right to be here than you ever will be. To say that they should go to a 'has been' forum is right out of order. Read what you have written.
In reply to Alan Bates: I have climbed with quite a few random partners from UKC. Often it's a different rock to my usual (thanks Chester for getting me to try slate for the first time) and I have always had a great experience. I was once asked to demostrate my belaying technique before my partner got off the ground - I have no problem with that. I have climbed with similarly aged old geezers and 18 year olds, male and female. Our common aim, a good day out on rock. Sometimes the grade is lower than my usual, but quality of route is more important than difficulty. Sometimes I've been pushed out of my comfort zone. This is all good and my circle of climbing friends continues to expand. Tomorrow I'm meeting another total stranger for some more mind broadening excercise courtesy of UKC. Bring it on. David
In reply to John Rushby:
Although best not to ask what they think of you...
> I have have had nothing but pleasant happy climbing times with the people I have met from Parsleywood.
Although best not to ask what they think of you...
In reply to liz j:
Liz, there aren't "members" and nobody has any more or less "right" to "be here" than anyone else. If the chap wants to trash talk, then that's his look out. The rest of us are then free to decide whether he looks like a dick or not.
> There are certainly members of this forum who gave up climbing a long time ago, but will have more right to be here than you ever will be. To say that they should go to a 'has been' forum is right out of order.
Liz, there aren't "members" and nobody has any more or less "right" to "be here" than anyone else. If the chap wants to trash talk, then that's his look out. The rest of us are then free to decide whether he looks like a dick or not.
In reply to liz j:
Unfortunately saying things like that doesn't help beginners who come onto the forum for advice and help. Not defending the chap in any way or anyone else for that matter but tis a silly thing to say.
As for telling him to rein his tongue in, who the hell do you think you are!! Maybe you should read what you have written.
Unfortunately saying things like that doesn't help beginners who come onto the forum for advice and help. Not defending the chap in any way or anyone else for that matter but tis a silly thing to say.
As for telling him to rein his tongue in, who the hell do you think you are!! Maybe you should read what you have written.
In reply to Denni:
He hasn't come onto the forum asking for advice, he's just been abusive from what he has written. How is that acceptable? Personally, I find his manner offensive.
He hasn't come onto the forum asking for advice, he's just been abusive from what he has written. How is that acceptable? Personally, I find his manner offensive.
In reply to Denni:
Oh, and yes, I have met people from here who I have climbed with, and they have become good friends along the way. So UKC is a great place to meet people.
Oh, and yes, I have met people from here who I have climbed with, and they have become good friends along the way. So UKC is a great place to meet people.
Actually i came on to post about finding someones ice screws so i could send them back to them, unfortunatley i read a few conversations and found mass bullying and ridiculing and decided to but in, as what they were ridiculing him for was been young and inexperienced when he actually had qualifications on his profile while the ones ridiculing had nothing.
In reply to TobyA: I know what you are saying but I have to admire liz j for saying what she thinks.
I'm one of the older mountaineers or "old geezers" who have met and climbed with several people through UKC all who were competent climbers and younger than myself, as most people are.
With two of them I've done routes in the Alps and had no problems.
I'm one of the older mountaineers or "old geezers" who have met and climbed with several people through UKC all who were competent climbers and younger than myself, as most people are.
With two of them I've done routes in the Alps and had no problems.
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
There are plenty of people who have no qualifications but are extensively experienced. Just because someone has a piece of paper does not make them right. For example, I know someone who has his SPA, but has only ever led one route.....
As for mass bullying, I don't think that happens at all, but why do you feel the need to join in?
There are plenty of people who have no qualifications but are extensively experienced. Just because someone has a piece of paper does not make them right. For example, I know someone who has his SPA, but has only ever led one route.....
As for mass bullying, I don't think that happens at all, but why do you feel the need to join in?
In reply to Tall Clare:
that'll be the ryphnol
> (In reply to Alan Bates)
>
> only pleasant experiences that I can recall.
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> only pleasant experiences that I can recall.
that'll be the ryphnol
In reply to liz j:
Did I say it was acceptable? Your manner in that post is also offensive. But as a seasoned poster, I expect you're allowed to do that, what with having more right to be on here etc etc.
Hope you don't talk to anyone like that in your day to day life, I'm sure you'd be told to wind your neck in if you did.
> (In reply to Denni)
> He hasn't come onto the forum asking for advice, he's just been abusive from what he has written. How is that acceptable? Personally, I find his manner offensive.
> He hasn't come onto the forum asking for advice, he's just been abusive from what he has written. How is that acceptable? Personally, I find his manner offensive.
Did I say it was acceptable? Your manner in that post is also offensive. But as a seasoned poster, I expect you're allowed to do that, what with having more right to be on here etc etc.
Hope you don't talk to anyone like that in your day to day life, I'm sure you'd be told to wind your neck in if you did.
In reply to Denni:
Nothing offensive in my post whatsoever, I am entitled to my opinion, and his posts have offended me. Maybe if he stopped the swearing and abuse, then he will enjoy his time here. Instead, all he has done is slag the place and people off. Am I out of order for taking offense at that? I haven't climbed for ages, I suppose I should slope off, should I?
Nothing offensive in my post whatsoever, I am entitled to my opinion, and his posts have offended me. Maybe if he stopped the swearing and abuse, then he will enjoy his time here. Instead, all he has done is slag the place and people off. Am I out of order for taking offense at that? I haven't climbed for ages, I suppose I should slope off, should I?
In reply to liz j:
So telling someone to rein their tongue in isn't offensive? We are all entitled to our own opinion but no need to start imparting advice about who has more right to be on here than others. I'm sure you're a newbie to a lot of people on here so wouldn't you find it offensive if someone said the same thing to you?
Who cares if he slags the place off? I'm sure I wouldn't splash my pants over such nonsense.
> (In reply to Denni)
> Nothing offensive in my post whatsoever, I am entitled to my opinion, and his posts have offended me. Maybe if he stopped the swearing and abuse, then he will enjoy his time here. Instead, all he has done is slag the place and people off. Am I out of order for taking offense at that? I haven't climbed for ages, I suppose I should slope off, should I?
> Nothing offensive in my post whatsoever, I am entitled to my opinion, and his posts have offended me. Maybe if he stopped the swearing and abuse, then he will enjoy his time here. Instead, all he has done is slag the place and people off. Am I out of order for taking offense at that? I haven't climbed for ages, I suppose I should slope off, should I?
So telling someone to rein their tongue in isn't offensive? We are all entitled to our own opinion but no need to start imparting advice about who has more right to be on here than others. I'm sure you're a newbie to a lot of people on here so wouldn't you find it offensive if someone said the same thing to you?
Who cares if he slags the place off? I'm sure I wouldn't splash my pants over such nonsense.
In reply to liz j:
Yup, you won't be missed. Goodbye.
> (In reply to Denni)
> I haven't climbed for ages, I suppose I should slope off, should I?
> I haven't climbed for ages, I suppose I should slope off, should I?
Yup, you won't be missed. Goodbye.
In reply to Denni:
In fact, just checked to see who registered first, turns out it was me. So as a newbie to me, why don't you wind your neck in?
In fact, just checked to see who registered first, turns out it was me. So as a newbie to me, why don't you wind your neck in?
In reply to liz j:
So he massively falsified his logbook, and his only lead ever was on his assessment?
I suspect hyperbole...
> (In reply to Wesley Orvis)
For example, I know someone who has his SPA, but has only ever led one route.....So he massively falsified his logbook, and his only lead ever was on his assessment?
I suspect hyperbole...
In reply to shingsowa:
Yes, he did. He still takes groups out. He got the qualification though the forces.
Yes, he did. He still takes groups out. He got the qualification though the forces.
In reply to liz j:
Hang on, you are saying that somebody who had never lead a route before, waltzed through his SPA and bluffed any questions about his logbook? I struggle to believe it somehow... The grades required for the SPA aren't high, but a solid and safe knowledge of ropework, group management and many other issues is necessary...
If it is true, have you considered doing anything about? Dropping a note to the MLTB, or to the assessor who signed him off?
Hang on, you are saying that somebody who had never lead a route before, waltzed through his SPA and bluffed any questions about his logbook? I struggle to believe it somehow... The grades required for the SPA aren't high, but a solid and safe knowledge of ropework, group management and many other issues is necessary...
If it is true, have you considered doing anything about? Dropping a note to the MLTB, or to the assessor who signed him off?
In reply to shingsowa:
It was a long time ago, and not my place at that time. I know he only led one route prior to his assessment as he told me. I also worked with him on a weekend trip to Dartmoor with a big group of kids. He was ML, so am I. In my opinion, he shouldn't have been there, and I did make my thoughts known to the powers that be on several concerns. No idea where he is now.
As for my previous post about people having more right to be here than others, maybe my wording was not the best, but I certainly wasn't thinking of myself, more the older posters that this guy seemed to be berating in his outburst. There are several posters on here who no longer climb, but have a world of experience and knowledge, so why should they be dismissed in such a way. That is what I took offense at most.
It was a long time ago, and not my place at that time. I know he only led one route prior to his assessment as he told me. I also worked with him on a weekend trip to Dartmoor with a big group of kids. He was ML, so am I. In my opinion, he shouldn't have been there, and I did make my thoughts known to the powers that be on several concerns. No idea where he is now.
As for my previous post about people having more right to be here than others, maybe my wording was not the best, but I certainly wasn't thinking of myself, more the older posters that this guy seemed to be berating in his outburst. There are several posters on here who no longer climb, but have a world of experience and knowledge, so why should they be dismissed in such a way. That is what I took offense at most.
In reply to Alan Bates:
I find people I know can be worse than Strangers from the internet
my golden rule is if they don't belay well- Don't climb
I usually arrange to go climbing within my limits at a crag and if possible in a group. Easier to see their belay method first.
So long as they are a safe belayer it dosn't really mater what their ability is then.
I don't go into the mountains unless I know someone.
I have fallen and been caught nice and dynamically so i cleared the bulge by someone i met at the carpark once. I was so scared when I didn't stop immediately I couldn't even scream but it was actually perfect.
I find people I know can be worse than Strangers from the internet
my golden rule is if they don't belay well- Don't climb
I usually arrange to go climbing within my limits at a crag and if possible in a group. Easier to see their belay method first.
So long as they are a safe belayer it dosn't really mater what their ability is then.
I don't go into the mountains unless I know someone.
I have fallen and been caught nice and dynamically so i cleared the bulge by someone i met at the carpark once. I was so scared when I didn't stop immediately I couldn't even scream but it was actually perfect.
In reply to liz j:
I wonder if it's the same guy I worked with once... the sort of person who would lead a group up the wrong mountain by accident, then lie about where they were?
I wonder if it's the same guy I worked with once... the sort of person who would lead a group up the wrong mountain by accident, then lie about where they were?
In reply to shingsowa:
If he liked talking about how short the girls skirts were, then yes. Yuck.
If he liked talking about how short the girls skirts were, then yes. Yuck.
In reply to liz j: you stick to your guns girl!
In reply to Alan Bates: Have climbed with around half a dozen UKCers all nice people, safe, honest regarding ability and reliable. Would happily climb with all of them again and have done so in several cases, even the guy I knocked a sizeable chunk of Boulder Ruckle onto during our first day climbing together (sorry again, if you're reading this).
Certainly is a little strange putting your life in the hands of a stranger, but a decent filled out profile and a good chat on the drive/walk in certainly set your mind at rest. I avoid answering partner appeals from users with blank profiles.
Certainly is a little strange putting your life in the hands of a stranger, but a decent filled out profile and a good chat on the drive/walk in certainly set your mind at rest. I avoid answering partner appeals from users with blank profiles.
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
You should come and climb with Num Num. Num Num likes spunky young men like you.
You should come and climb with Num Num. Num Num likes spunky young men like you.
In reply to liz j:
Hi Liz
As an SPA assessor I find it hard to believe that someone like this could slip threough the net - care to elucidate via email cos if this is true an assessor somewhere needs his or her arse kicking.
Cheers
David
> (In reply to Wesley Orvis)
I know someone who has his SPA, but has only ever led one route.....Hi Liz
As an SPA assessor I find it hard to believe that someone like this could slip threough the net - care to elucidate via email cos if this is true an assessor somewhere needs his or her arse kicking.
Cheers
David
In reply to liz j:
One of the useful things about profiles is that you can see what a potential partner has been posting and hence whether they come across as sensible or a complete tool.
One of the useful things about profiles is that you can see what a potential partner has been posting and hence whether they come across as sensible or a complete tool.
In reply to Misha:
The following thread distils things nicely:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=453999
>
> ... you can see what a potential partner has been posting and hence whether they come across as sensible or a complete tool.
> ... you can see what a potential partner has been posting and hence whether they come across as sensible or a complete tool.
The following thread distils things nicely:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=453999
In reply to Clauso:
Bizarre. I don't bother with the non-climbing forums.
Bizarre. I don't bother with the non-climbing forums.
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
Wesley, qualifications mean very little in climbing. I've seen one or two SPA-qualified bods who are less competent climbers (from a safety POV) than anyone I've climbed with barring beginners.
Many 'old-timers' started when climbing was a harder and riskier game than it is now -- it's quite possible that your qualified youngster was much less experienced and competent. A lot of climbing can't be learned in books and on courses.
> he actually had qualifications on his profile while the ones ridiculing had nothing.
Wesley, qualifications mean very little in climbing. I've seen one or two SPA-qualified bods who are less competent climbers (from a safety POV) than anyone I've climbed with barring beginners.
Many 'old-timers' started when climbing was a harder and riskier game than it is now -- it's quite possible that your qualified youngster was much less experienced and competent. A lot of climbing can't be learned in books and on courses.
In reply to Wesley Orvis: Yeah, having now read the thread it's 95% certain he's less competent or experienced than the people arguing with him. I don't want to judge and/or be rude, but I actually laughed out loud.
Do you talk this way to people when you bump into them in the hills? Ironically, you are exactly the sort of person who puts people off answering advertisments for climbing partners.
Do you talk this way to people when you bump into them in the hills? Ironically, you are exactly the sort of person who puts people off answering advertisments for climbing partners.
In reply to stvredmond:i
Such kind words steve, thanks so much.
Must remember to take a knife to ur guy lines next time ur in ur tent.
see how funny you think I am then.
> and then theres Darren.....one funny person haha...
Such kind words steve, thanks so much.
Must remember to take a knife to ur guy lines next time ur in ur tent.
see how funny you think I am then.
In reply to Darren09: thought you would like that one :P
nobody said anything about been young mate, just a newbie to this site, so if you are some kind of nonce like you sound like you are then you are in for a big shock.
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
Hi Wesley
if you keep the 'in reply to' bit it makes it clearer who you're replying to - and the 'in reply to' bit is a link to the post you're replying to, for anyone wanting to jump up the thread to understand the conversation without having to wade through everyone else's replies.
Also, call me Victorian if you like but please can you not call people nonces?
Hi Wesley
if you keep the 'in reply to' bit it makes it clearer who you're replying to - and the 'in reply to' bit is a link to the post you're replying to, for anyone wanting to jump up the thread to understand the conversation without having to wade through everyone else's replies.
Also, call me Victorian if you like but please can you not call people nonces?
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
Ah, it's always nice to have a forum 'big man'. Carry on sunshine, you'll be banned soon so please be quick and post more tripe so I can have a giggle.
Warmest regards.
Axel
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> nobody said anything about been young mate, just a newbie to this site, so if you are some kind of nonce like you sound like you are then you are in for a big shock.
Ah, it's always nice to have a forum 'big man'. Carry on sunshine, you'll be banned soon so please be quick and post more tripe so I can have a giggle.
Warmest regards.
Axel
xxxxxx
In reply to Tall Clare: Did you not read what he put to me, sounded very much like he was grooming!!!
In reply to Axel Smeets: Did you also not read what he put to me? he called me spunky young man sounds a bit wierd to me.
In reply to Tall Clare: Thanks for the advice!!!
In reply to David Hooper:
Hi David, I will send you a message about it later. Please be assured that I am not telling porkies, I was truly shocked too.
To Misha, not sure if you were directing your post at me? I am always truthful in telling people my climbing ability, it's my life too.
Hi David, I will send you a message about it later. Please be assured that I am not telling porkies, I was truly shocked too.
To Misha, not sure if you were directing your post at me? I am always truthful in telling people my climbing ability, it's my life too.
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
"Spunky" means brave and spirited in some circles Wesley.
Perhaps the problem lies in your interpretation?
"Spunky" means brave and spirited in some circles Wesley.
Perhaps the problem lies in your interpretation?
In reply to liz j: Yes please Liz
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
Mate, it sounds as though you've been well and truly Num Nummed. Might as well lie back and enjoy it...
Mick
> (In reply to Axel Smeets) ...he called me spunky young man sounds a bit wierd to me.
Mate, it sounds as though you've been well and truly Num Nummed. Might as well lie back and enjoy it...
Mick
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
Hi Wesley, do you know you can click on a poster's question mark next to their name and see their profile? Check Num Num's out. He's quite an esoteric chap who usually lightens up the mood on here.
Hi Wesley, do you know you can click on a poster's question mark next to their name and see their profile? Check Num Num's out. He's quite an esoteric chap who usually lightens up the mood on here.
In reply to David Hooper: Maybe, but with a name like Numnum and spunky used in the same sentence, it all sounded suspicious to me.
In reply to David Hooper:
If Num Num ever went fishing, he'd go for Mackerel. They're so easy, they bite at a feather.
If Num Num ever went fishing, he'd go for Mackerel. They're so easy, they bite at a feather.
In reply to Alan Bates:
I've met a few bods from here, some have become regular partners, some I'm not bothered about meeting again.
My biggest problem was people lying about their ability to drink! A regular poster from this parish (shall remain nameless) laid claim to his (or her) ability to drink whisky... twas a wasted evening - both senses of the word. :-D
Climbingwise - no dramas, most have been honest about there ability.
I've met a few bods from here, some have become regular partners, some I'm not bothered about meeting again.
My biggest problem was people lying about their ability to drink! A regular poster from this parish (shall remain nameless) laid claim to his (or her) ability to drink whisky... twas a wasted evening - both senses of the word. :-D
Climbingwise - no dramas, most have been honest about there ability.
In reply to Craig Mc: No i didn't, cheers for the info though i will do, nice to see there is some polite and helpful people on here, i have only been ranting due been bombarded with abuse due to my quite bad punctuation and trying to stand up to people ridiculing some young guy for been interested in climbing at a young age.
In reply to Tony the Blade:
Well given that you're the only person I've met off here (actually there's someone else too), I'd be disappointed if you included me in the latter group you refer to. Mind you, I'd not be surprised if I was, I'd been boozing all day when we met
Ps we're doomed.
> (In reply to Alan Bates)
>
> I've met a few bods from here, some have become regular partners, some I'm not bothered about meeting again.
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> I've met a few bods from here, some have become regular partners, some I'm not bothered about meeting again.
>
Well given that you're the only person I've met off here (actually there's someone else too), I'd be disappointed if you included me in the latter group you refer to. Mind you, I'd not be surprised if I was, I'd been boozing all day when we met
Ps we're doomed.
In reply to Alan Bates:
I've climbed with a few folk off UKC and they've all been pretty cool.
Some of them showed concern that I prefer using the Punter Hitch to belay instead of a plate and tied in with a Jedwards Bowline!
I've climbed with a few folk off UKC and they've all been pretty cool.
Some of them showed concern that I prefer using the Punter Hitch to belay instead of a plate and tied in with a Jedwards Bowline!
In reply to Mick Ward:
Hi Mick
Starting your sentance with Mate, makes you sound like a scouser -
Whatever next - adressing people on ther fora as kidda?
Hi Mick
Starting your sentance with Mate, makes you sound like a scouser -
Whatever next - adressing people on ther fora as kidda?
In reply to Axel Smeets:
> (In reply to Tony the Blade)
> [...]
>
> Well given that you're the only person I've met off here (actually there's someone else too), I'd be disappointed if you included me in the latter group you refer to. Mind you, I'd not be surprised if I was, I'd been boozing all day when we met
Nah mate, not you - a post match pint is always a good intro.> [...]
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> Well given that you're the only person I've met off here (actually there's someone else too), I'd be disappointed if you included me in the latter group you refer to. Mind you, I'd not be surprised if I was, I'd been boozing all day when we met
>
> Ps we're doomed.
Sad but true - I need an emoticon for a crying football supporter!> Ps we're doomed.
In reply to Wesley Orvis: if your really that against the forum and all the people on it and everyones out to get you why are you still here? seems oddly masochistic? or do you just love the confrontation making you rather hypocritical?
In reply to David Hooper: apologies - that would be sentence and addressing - doh!!!
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
Hi Wesley
I would just like to say that Wesley Orvis would be a fantastic stage name for a ventriloquist? Are you a ventriloquist by any chance?
Best wishes
David
Hi Wesley
I would just like to say that Wesley Orvis would be a fantastic stage name for a ventriloquist? Are you a ventriloquist by any chance?
Best wishes
David
In reply to Tony the Blade:
Look on the positive side of things - a whole batch of new grounds to visit next year. Yippee!
Look on the positive side of things - a whole batch of new grounds to visit next year. Yippee!
In reply to Axel Smeets:
Pigsborough!
> (In reply to Tony the Blade)
>
> Look on the positive side of things - a whole batch of new grounds to visit next year. Yippee!
>
> Look on the positive side of things - a whole batch of new grounds to visit next year. Yippee!
Pigsborough!
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
Hi Wesley, it's Summitjunkie. Replied to your posts on Monday about getting punked re: Via Ferrata on Crib Goch. See you're still kicking out at some of the regular posters on here and getting a lot of grief in return! Try to chill a bit, buddy. Lurk a bit and read previous posts of individuals before you jump in so you get a bit of perspective. As I mentioned on Monday, this forum is a good place to 'look in' for tips, skills, advice, climbing partners etc... but if you keep interjecting with all guns blazing don't be suprised if you get shot down.
Must put you straight on an earlier post as well where you said, "Actually i came on to post about finding someones ice screws so i could send them back to them, unfortunatley i read a few conversations and found mass bullying and ridiculing and decided to but in, as what they were ridiculing him for was been young and inexperienced when he actually had qualifications on his profile while the ones ridiculing had nothing."
The young chap in question states on his profile that he 'passed' his SPA and ML training. You don't pass SPA and ML training - that's why it's called training. To get your SPA and ML tickets you have to pass an assessment in each, and that's a whole lot harder than just doing the training (e.g. for summer ML you have to have a minimum of 40 quality mountain days in your log book. It is preferrable though, from an assessor point of view, to have many, many more). He therefore, according to his profile, has no qualifications whatsoever.
In comparison, I got my JSMEL and TRA (military mountain leading and climbing qualifications) 20 years ago. However, and it's a big however, there are many people on this forum who have never had formal training but, through years of experience, and times spent on the hills and crags, could wipe the floor with me in terms of ability and skill. Experience and its application is everything - a qualification is just a bit of paper if you haven't got the experience and common sense to back it up.
Also, I might be one of those 'old time dribblers' you mentioned on the thread about irresponsibility but, like many others of my ilk, I certainly ain't living my life out on this forum as a 'hasbeen'. I managed to get two weeks in Scotland in this winter (mountaineering and climbing), have taken groups out at least twice a month for many years now walking, trekking, wild camping and basic mountaineering, and fly out to Morocco tomorrow to bag a few four thousanders in the Atlas mountains. The reason you don't see all of this in my profile is that I have a very busy full time job and also belong to a generation that still finds the idea of putting everything about themselves on the web (whether it be on Facebook, Twitter or a profile on here) a bit exhibitionist. Some of us just prefer to get on with things without shouting about it.
Take care Wesley and I hope to see you on here, albeit in better and less agressive mood, in the future.
> (In reply to Craig Mc) No i didn't, cheers for the info though i will do, nice to see there is some polite and helpful people on here, i have only been ranting due been bombarded with abuse due to my quite bad punctuation and trying to stand up to people ridiculing some young guy for been interested in climbing at a young age.
Hi Wesley, it's Summitjunkie. Replied to your posts on Monday about getting punked re: Via Ferrata on Crib Goch. See you're still kicking out at some of the regular posters on here and getting a lot of grief in return! Try to chill a bit, buddy. Lurk a bit and read previous posts of individuals before you jump in so you get a bit of perspective. As I mentioned on Monday, this forum is a good place to 'look in' for tips, skills, advice, climbing partners etc... but if you keep interjecting with all guns blazing don't be suprised if you get shot down.
Must put you straight on an earlier post as well where you said, "Actually i came on to post about finding someones ice screws so i could send them back to them, unfortunatley i read a few conversations and found mass bullying and ridiculing and decided to but in, as what they were ridiculing him for was been young and inexperienced when he actually had qualifications on his profile while the ones ridiculing had nothing."
The young chap in question states on his profile that he 'passed' his SPA and ML training. You don't pass SPA and ML training - that's why it's called training. To get your SPA and ML tickets you have to pass an assessment in each, and that's a whole lot harder than just doing the training (e.g. for summer ML you have to have a minimum of 40 quality mountain days in your log book. It is preferrable though, from an assessor point of view, to have many, many more). He therefore, according to his profile, has no qualifications whatsoever.
In comparison, I got my JSMEL and TRA (military mountain leading and climbing qualifications) 20 years ago. However, and it's a big however, there are many people on this forum who have never had formal training but, through years of experience, and times spent on the hills and crags, could wipe the floor with me in terms of ability and skill. Experience and its application is everything - a qualification is just a bit of paper if you haven't got the experience and common sense to back it up.
Also, I might be one of those 'old time dribblers' you mentioned on the thread about irresponsibility but, like many others of my ilk, I certainly ain't living my life out on this forum as a 'hasbeen'. I managed to get two weeks in Scotland in this winter (mountaineering and climbing), have taken groups out at least twice a month for many years now walking, trekking, wild camping and basic mountaineering, and fly out to Morocco tomorrow to bag a few four thousanders in the Atlas mountains. The reason you don't see all of this in my profile is that I have a very busy full time job and also belong to a generation that still finds the idea of putting everything about themselves on the web (whether it be on Facebook, Twitter or a profile on here) a bit exhibitionist. Some of us just prefer to get on with things without shouting about it.
Take care Wesley and I hope to see you on here, albeit in better and less agressive mood, in the future.
In reply to summitjunkie:
Thank you summitjunkie,i am also of a certain age group that feels a bit weird about putting what i see as private details on public display,as far as i see it if i want you to know what i do or am interested in I'LL tell YOU,no offence to those that do it but thats why i dont keep a profile its none of yer damn buisness"said in the most polite and happy joy joy way".
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> Also, I might be one of those 'old time dribblers' you mentioned on the thread about irresponsibility but, like many others of my ilk, I certainly ain't living my life out on this forum as a 'hasbeen'. I managed to get two weeks in Scotland in this winter (mountaineering and climbing), have taken groups out at least twice a month for many years now walking, trekking, wild camping and basic mountaineering, and fly out to Morocco tomorrow to bag a few four thousanders in the Atlas mountains. The reason you don't see all of this in my profile is that I have a very busy full time job and also belong to a generation that still finds the idea of putting everything about themselves on the web (whether it be on Facebook, Twitter or a profile on here) a bit exhibitionist. Some of us just prefer to get on with things without shouting about it.
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Thank you summitjunkie,i am also of a certain age group that feels a bit weird about putting what i see as private details on public display,as far as i see it if i want you to know what i do or am interested in I'LL tell YOU,no offence to those that do it but thats why i dont keep a profile its none of yer damn buisness"said in the most polite and happy joy joy way".
In reply to Alan Bates: Climbed with a few off UKC that I now count as Friends. I even married one of them last year!
In reply to Andrew Smith: Married one of them? Isn't that going a bit far just to get a regular belay partner?
In reply to summitjunkie:
Hello once again,
Thanks for putting me right i understand why so many people where getting on his case now, to be honest i just like a good argument. You sound like a top guy, i respect people like you really and totally agree that older people have a lot to offer and do not trust computers as much as the younger generation, therefore not have much information on their profiles.
Have a good trip to Morrocco and happy climbing, i have never done any mountaineering out of the U.K. but intend to change that very soon.
Best regards
Hello once again,
Thanks for putting me right i understand why so many people where getting on his case now, to be honest i just like a good argument. You sound like a top guy, i respect people like you really and totally agree that older people have a lot to offer and do not trust computers as much as the younger generation, therefore not have much information on their profiles.
Have a good trip to Morrocco and happy climbing, i have never done any mountaineering out of the U.K. but intend to change that very soon.
Best regards
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
I agree older people have a lot to offer and to prove my point I have nailed a hook to Sutty's forehead and using him as a coatstand.
I agree older people have a lot to offer and to prove my point I have nailed a hook to Sutty's forehead and using him as a coatstand.
In reply to Alan Bates:
I thought I'd share my experiences, although I'm not sure how relevant it is now.
I've met a lot of people via UKC, some to climb with, in and outdoor and some to cave, walk, talk and drink with. They have all been extremely nice people, most of whom I now call friends. I've had some of the nicest weekends, that leaving you feeling sad when they are over. Friends thought I was mad meeting random people off the net but it's never been an issue and it's a really good way of meeting like minded people
Wesley.....pinch of salt, rise above it, chill...all spring to mind. I agree that lurking and getting to know certain poster styles will help.
I thought I'd share my experiences, although I'm not sure how relevant it is now.
I've met a lot of people via UKC, some to climb with, in and outdoor and some to cave, walk, talk and drink with. They have all been extremely nice people, most of whom I now call friends. I've had some of the nicest weekends, that leaving you feeling sad when they are over. Friends thought I was mad meeting random people off the net but it's never been an issue and it's a really good way of meeting like minded people
Wesley.....pinch of salt, rise above it, chill...all spring to mind. I agree that lurking and getting to know certain poster styles will help.
In reply to Wesley Orvis: You're welcome, Wesley. Let me know any time you want to go summit-bagging, mountaineering or wildcamping in the UK or abroad and we'll let you know what we're up to. We'd be happy to take you along - as long as you've had your chill pills!
In reply to John Rushby: You git! Being an oldie I just dribbled down my leg laughing at that one!
In reply to John Rushby:
Excellent!
I understand he's not too happy with where you keep your umbrella though.
Excellent!
I understand he's not too happy with where you keep your umbrella though.
In reply to Wesley Orvis:
See, that's better. It's nicer to read your posts without the swear words. This forum is a fun place and also great to pick up tips and information about a multitude of things, so play nice and enjoy.
See, that's better. It's nicer to read your posts without the swear words. This forum is a fun place and also great to pick up tips and information about a multitude of things, so play nice and enjoy.
In reply to liz j:
that was possibly the most patronising post ive ever read!
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> See, that's better. It's nicer to read your posts without the swear words. This forum is a fun place and also great to pick up tips and information about a multitude of things, so play nice and enjoy.
> See, that's better. It's nicer to read your posts without the swear words. This forum is a fun place and also great to pick up tips and information about a multitude of things, so play nice and enjoy.
that was possibly the most patronising post ive ever read!
In reply to Alan Bates:
I've climbed with several folk off here, but only once with people I didn't know before and it worked out well
I'd certainly do it again, but I tend to like soloing, and if sans partner will just head for the hills on my own.
I've climbed with several folk off here, but only once with people I didn't know before and it worked out well
I'd certainly do it again, but I tend to like soloing, and if sans partner will just head for the hills on my own.
In reply to tradattack:
Well then, you read it wrong because that was not how it was intended. If you read Wesley's previous posts, maybe you will understand.
Well then, you read it wrong because that was not how it was intended. If you read Wesley's previous posts, maybe you will understand.
In reply to liz j:
I should have been clearer. I was just picking up on your first comment re Wesley Orvis, which was referencing some load of rubbish that he had written (and has continued in a similar vein...).
I should have been clearer. I was just picking up on your first comment re Wesley Orvis, which was referencing some load of rubbish that he had written (and has continued in a similar vein...).
In reply to liz j:
It's the writer's responsibility to phrase things in such a way that they can't be 'read wrong'.
It's the writer's responsibility to phrase things in such a way that they can't be 'read wrong'.
In reply to liz j: I have read his posts, on this and other threads and had similar issues with that hes said. still think that was about as condescending as it could of been!
In reply to Misha:
So you were not referring to me as a 'tool' but him?
So you were not referring to me as a 'tool' but him?
In reply to liz j:
Correct.
Correct.
In reply to Ava Adore:
True, but didn't think about that in my stressed out state!!
Thanks for clearing that up Misha
True, but didn't think about that in my stressed out state!!
Thanks for clearing that up Misha
In reply to liz j:
Perhaps you should have let it be. I understand why Wesley got upset but feel he went way over the top, basically insulting all of us, good start wouldn't you say It's no wonder you got wrangled and spoke your mind, I was quite relieved that someone took him on robustly
Can we all stop picking each others posts apart now and move on?
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> See, that's better. It's nicer to read your posts without the swear words. This forum is a fun place and also great to pick up tips and information about a multitude of things, so play nice and enjoy.
> See, that's better. It's nicer to read your posts without the swear words. This forum is a fun place and also great to pick up tips and information about a multitude of things, so play nice and enjoy.
Perhaps you should have let it be. I understand why Wesley got upset but feel he went way over the top, basically insulting all of us, good start wouldn't you say It's no wonder you got wrangled and spoke your mind, I was quite relieved that someone took him on robustly
Can we all stop picking each others posts apart now and move on?
In reply to Alan Bates:
Back in the dim and distant past I advertised for a female climbing partner on this forum and received 10+ replies from men. I went to the wall with the nearest one that didn't seem like a total lech but unfortunately it quickly transpired that he was after more than climbing so it was a short partnership. I've bumped in to a few other people socially but not climbed with them- mostly because I haven't needed to.
However, I first met one of my best and favourite climbing friends for the first time in a layby at night before going off to climb Torpantae Falls together in the dark one night after work- my regular partner was out of the country and this guy was a friend of a friend who happened to be free. Sometimes you have just got to take a chance! (I didn't recognise him next time I met him without balaclava/climbing helmet/head torch!).
Back in the dim and distant past I advertised for a female climbing partner on this forum and received 10+ replies from men. I went to the wall with the nearest one that didn't seem like a total lech but unfortunately it quickly transpired that he was after more than climbing so it was a short partnership. I've bumped in to a few other people socially but not climbed with them- mostly because I haven't needed to.
However, I first met one of my best and favourite climbing friends for the first time in a layby at night before going off to climb Torpantae Falls together in the dark one night after work- my regular partner was out of the country and this guy was a friend of a friend who happened to be free. Sometimes you have just got to take a chance! (I didn't recognise him next time I met him without balaclava/climbing helmet/head torch!).
In reply to David Hooper:
Agreed!
Mick (honorary Scouser?)
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Agreed!
Mick (honorary Scouser?)
In reply to Tall Clare:
'What can be said at all can be said clearly.' (Wittgenstein)
Mick
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> It's the writer's responsibility to phrase things in such a way that they can't be 'read wrong'.
'What can be said at all can be said clearly.' (Wittgenstein)
Mick
In reply to John Rushby:
Is there still not a danger he might wander far enough to make it hard to find again? Or did you leave him a good supply of beer within arm's reach?
> I agree older people have a lot to offer and to prove my point I have nailed a hook to Sutty's forehead and using him as a coatstand.
Is there still not a danger he might wander far enough to make it hard to find again? Or did you leave him a good supply of beer within arm's reach?
In reply to Mick Ward: i dont't get it?
In reply to Alan Bates:
I have met and climbed with several people off UKC, some of them are now really great friends, a couple of them have bigged themselves up a little to climbing at a certain grade (indoors) and have then struggled to remain on one colour whilst doing a 3+ and after this, one declared that he led Valkarie at the Roaches a few days before, but couldn't remember which pitch he led. I didn't climb with him again after that!
But on the whole, experience has been quite good.
My mum said that by meeting people off the internet I could be meeting luncatics, but I just think, I can meet a luncatic anywhere I live, it just widens my scope of lunatics I can meet. ( and the further away they are, the easier they are to avoid in the future)
I have met and climbed with several people off UKC, some of them are now really great friends, a couple of them have bigged themselves up a little to climbing at a certain grade (indoors) and have then struggled to remain on one colour whilst doing a 3+ and after this, one declared that he led Valkarie at the Roaches a few days before, but couldn't remember which pitch he led. I didn't climb with him again after that!
But on the whole, experience has been quite good.
My mum said that by meeting people off the internet I could be meeting luncatics, but I just think, I can meet a luncatic anywhere I live, it just widens my scope of lunatics I can meet. ( and the further away they are, the easier they are to avoid in the future)
In reply to tradattack:
Aaaaarrrrgggghhhh - You have committed the cardinal UKC sin!
Please re-read and amend as appropriate.
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> (In reply to liz j) I have read his posts, on this and other threads and had similar issues with that hes said. still think that was about as condescending as it could of been!
Aaaaarrrrgggghhhh - You have committed the cardinal UKC sin!
Please re-read and amend as appropriate.
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In reply to Mick Ward: "...and what cannot be talked about we must pass over in silence"
In reply to staceyjg:
A what??
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> I could be meeting luncatics, but I just think, I can meet a luncatic anywhere I live
A what??
In reply to Alan Bates:
I've met and climbed with a few people off this forum. So far, there hasn't been one I wouldn't climb with again and not one I wouldn't spend the evening drinking with either.
Then again, I'm not choosy ;0)
I've met and climbed with a few people off this forum. So far, there hasn't been one I wouldn't climb with again and not one I wouldn't spend the evening drinking with either.
Then again, I'm not choosy ;0)
In reply to staceyjg: I've met loads of people from UKC. Most of them have ended up becoming regular climbing partners and (dare I say it?) friends.
There is this brummy burd who's a bit loud and weird but she's climbs very well so I forgive her.
I did have one run in with a guy who was nice enough, good climber just his social skills weren't quite right. Poor personal hygiene.....
There is this brummy burd who's a bit loud and weird but she's climbs very well so I forgive her.
I did have one run in with a guy who was nice enough, good climber just his social skills weren't quite right. Poor personal hygiene.....
In reply to shingsowa:
OOHHHH I'd forgotten about that.... that poor poor owl. Didn't stand a chance
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OOHHHH I'd forgotten about that.... that poor poor owl. Didn't stand a chance
You are probably safer meeting someone off here than a randomer from the pub. People leave an electronic trail online unless they go to rediculious lengths to hide it.
In reply to Tony the Blade: haha. my apologies.
In reply to John Ww:
Bloody fingers... I meant lunatics!
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In reply to Zygoticgema:
You call them friends, but that's not what they say about you!
> (In reply to staceyjg) I've met loads of people from UKC. Most of them have ended up becoming regular climbing partners and (dare I say it?) friends.
> There is this brummy burd who's a bit loud and weird but she's climbs very well so I forgive her.
> There is this brummy burd who's a bit loud and weird but she's climbs very well so I forgive her.
You call them friends, but that's not what they say about you!
In reply to staceyjg:
I liked "lunactics". It has been added to my vocabulary to be used at every possible opportunity.
I liked "lunactics". It has been added to my vocabulary to be used at every possible opportunity.
In reply to staceyjg:
You couldn't type right cos your fingers were bloody?
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In reply to Hat Dude:
She was fighting off the luncatics
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In reply to Alan Bates:
I've met maybe half a dozen people off here to climb with and maybe half a dozen more through chatting about photography. I enjoyed all the days out that I have had very much and haven't met anyone that I wouldn't climb with again. I've also had some good fun days out taking photos and I am frequently pleasantly surprised by the helpfulness and generosity that people show on here.
I've met maybe half a dozen people off here to climb with and maybe half a dozen more through chatting about photography. I enjoyed all the days out that I have had very much and haven't met anyone that I wouldn't climb with again. I've also had some good fun days out taking photos and I am frequently pleasantly surprised by the helpfulness and generosity that people show on here.
In reply to kathrync:
Trying to decide whether that day photographing in that gale in North Wales counted as fun...
Trying to decide whether that day photographing in that gale in North Wales counted as fun...
In reply to Tall Clare:
lol
It was actually the day in Staithes that I was thinking of. I did enjoy N Wales though in a weird screwed up slightly masochistic sort of way
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lol
It was actually the day in Staithes that I was thinking of. I did enjoy N Wales though in a weird screwed up slightly masochistic sort of way
In reply to Mick Ward:
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Hmm, never climbed with him. Has he done TPS?
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'What can be said at all can be said clearly.' (Wittgenstein)
Hmm, never climbed with him. Has he done TPS?
In reply to sutty:
First ascent of Language Truth and Logic at The Gallery. Apparently.
First ascent of Language Truth and Logic at The Gallery. Apparently.
In reply to waterbaby:
not all of them you 'aint
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not all of them you 'aint
In reply to lithos: Hey Rob, those boots for Morocco polished up nicely. I've popped some nice Salomon footbeds in and will be including a light pair of socks to go with the heavy ones you sent me. Will get a piccie for you when he's got them on.
Cheers,
Mark
Cheers,
Mark
In reply to Alan Bates:
I think as long as I continue to meet only the broad minded easy going types on here to climb with with the good attitude, then it is all good.
Heaven forbid if I mistakenly end up climbing with any of those more narrow ones off here though - thanks, but no thanks
I think as long as I continue to meet only the broad minded easy going types on here to climb with with the good attitude, then it is all good.
Heaven forbid if I mistakenly end up climbing with any of those more narrow ones off here though - thanks, but no thanks
In reply to staceyjg:
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In reply to atlantis: It might surprise you to hear that many people are quite different in real life!
In reply to Zygoticgema:
<puts arms around Zyg> we luvs you really! Yay! 7 Days!
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<puts arms around Zyg> we luvs you really! Yay! 7 Days!
In reply to sutty:
Dunno. But didn't he put up 'Ludwig' on Yellow Wall?
Mick
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Dunno. But didn't he put up 'Ludwig' on Yellow Wall?
Mick
In reply to remus:
Are you sure?
> (In reply to atlantis) It might surprise you to hear that many people are quite different in real life!
Are you sure?
In reply to liz j: An SPA with only one lead??!! He's only fooling himself!
In reply to Alan Bates:
Once climbed with a weird guy I met over the noticeboard at Bristol Wall who used Erwin Rommel as his email name. He was also colourblind, but didn't tell me, and I only worked it out when he started giving me lots of red rope when I called "More on green!"
Alex
Once climbed with a weird guy I met over the noticeboard at Bristol Wall who used Erwin Rommel as his email name. He was also colourblind, but didn't tell me, and I only worked it out when he started giving me lots of red rope when I called "More on green!"
Alex
In reply to Wesley Orvis: Not really......when you troll for such comments its rather a self fulfilling prophecy when it happens.
I'm new to the site, and people have been fairly decent, but if you ask stupid questions you might get stupid answers.
Ryan
I'm new to the site, and people have been fairly decent, but if you ask stupid questions you might get stupid answers.
Ryan
In reply to Alan Bates: Bloody hell, did this thread get off topic or what? Dare I say it, typically UKC.
I have met quite a number of people off hear and climbed with all of them, one fortunately indoors and decided outdoors would be too dangerous and another that liked to panic, get off route and blame others for his mistakes. All others I have met and/or climbed with have been pretty normal and safe.
S
I have met quite a number of people off hear and climbed with all of them, one fortunately indoors and decided outdoors would be too dangerous and another that liked to panic, get off route and blame others for his mistakes. All others I have met and/or climbed with have been pretty normal and safe.
S
In reply to grumpybearpantsclimbinggoat:
haha, it is actually something I hope to do mate.
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haha, it is actually something I hope to do mate.
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