In reply to Richard Hall:
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> The Big Issue is thought to be runout but safe 8a+, Tim's route is thought to be 8a+ (or 8b?) with what may be a death fall if you mess up the last hard moves of an 8a.
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> >I think an onsight ascent of, eg, Indian Face, would be rather more of a feat than of Muy C.
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> What makes you think that?
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> IF is a 7b+ which you cant fall off most the way up.
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> Tim's route is an 8a from which you can not fall off the crux, followed my gear placed off a mono, followed by a V7ish boulder problem.
O dear..... describing the Indian face as a bold 7b+ is kind of missing the point.
From the footage I've seen of MC it really doesn't look like too bad a fall. Big and into space, but by Tim's own admission you wouldn't hit the deck from the most run out bit with a good belayer. Certainly a physically difficult route though.
However, really great effort getting all those routes done. His and Pearson's recent efforts just go to show how far sport fitness can revolutionise steep trad.
It will be interesting to see what grade routes like MC rests at, as it becomes more and more normal for top trad climbers to have F8c fitness. One thing is for sure though, routes like the Indian face will never get any easier.