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richprideaux - on 03 Sep 2011
Hearing a rumour about some fools driving a Vauxhall Frontera up the Llanberis Track as far as Bwlch Glas today.

Anybody know anything about it? Surprised they got that far without being turned round by rampant ramblers!
Nicholas Livesey on 03 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa: If that's true then I would imagine they are quite pleased with their achievement, the complete, unutterable morons.
Kimono - on 03 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:
Well there' s a train, why not a car ;)
Ramblin dave - on 03 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa: Damn, that's got to spoil your day if you've gone out for some tranquility and solitude...
artif on 03 Sep 2011
In reply to Ramblin dave:
> some tranquility and solitude...


On Snowdon????????????

johnnorman on 03 Sep 2011
In reply to Ramblin dave:
> (In reply to shingsowa) Damn, that's got to spoil your day if you've gone out for some tranquility and solitude...




lol
johnnorman on 03 Sep 2011
In reply to Ramblin dave:
> (In reply to shingsowa) Damn, that's got to spoil your day if you've gone out for some tranquility and solitude...




Funny as!
Goucho on 03 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa: I might be mistaken, and more knowledgeable folk on here will probably know, but didn't Al Harris get an old A40 van as far as Cloggy corner?

Or is that just another apocryphal Harris myth?
halo on 03 Sep 2011
In reply to kieran b: Apparantly there's a restaurant too.
halo on 03 Sep 2011
In reply to Ramblin dave:
> (In reply to shingsowa) Damn, that's got to spoil your day if you've gone out for some tranquility and solitude...

You ought to try Moel Siabod for that.
johnnorman on 03 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:


There was some serious rain today they must have had good windscreen wipers!
andyd1970 - on 03 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa: I saw a car upturned in a field/someone that had gone straight through a wall in Betws-Y-coed today. It must of just happened when we passed hope they are OK as it didn't look good
Andy
Banned User 77 - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa: Heard that to. I ran over Bwlch Glas but didn't really look...racing, but heard others say and that the driver was arrested and that it was last night..
Banned User 77 - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to johnnorman: Drizzle..classic westerl front weather..I was in shorts and T shirts on a run from Llanberis > Elidir > Garn > Glyder Fawr > Pen y Pass > Blwch Glas > Cynghorion..in a race that was shortened due to bad weather...just classic frontal rain, mild with a strong breeze.
abseil on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:

That's nothing. I drove up K2 with the missus last weekend. Got a flat at 27,000 feet and the AA refused to come out.
MJ - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to abseil:

"That's nothing. I drove up K2 with the missus last weekend. Got a flat at 27,000 feet and the AA refused to come out."

That's absolutely nothing compared to my latest conquest. Went dogging with the missus last weekend. Got a full on raise at about 11pm, lot's of weirdos got theirs out. Hey ho, that's life. One quick trip to the car wash and all is back to normal.

petestack - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to IainRUK:
> I ran over Bwlch Glas but didn't really look...

Guess that explains why I never saw you at the Ben, then!
dan ely - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:
i meet the guy. He said he felt like going up at 4.30am. Got most the way but then got to rough/step. then he got arrested and spent 9hrs in a police cell!
Banned User 77 - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to petestack: Aye, long story but decided it was best to miss and stay down here. Wasn'tup for the Peris but low, cloud, wind, rain meant only a local could likely win and only two of us know it that well and would be at the front so knew I was guarenteed 1st or 2nd...ended up breaking clear of second on the steep climb to SNowdon, so nice day out.
petestack - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to IainRUK:

Good stuff, Iain (despite my fruitless search for you hundreds of miles away)! Limped to a PW on the Ben myself, but Finlay's winning time is pretty impressive.
Banned User 77 - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to petestack: Very impressive, thought conditions were bad? Sarah said she had a good climb but stopped for 10 mins to help a guy with a bad head laceration and then limped off as her legs had ceased.
petestack - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to IainRUK:

Oh, was that Sarah? (Heard about it from my friend who escorted the casualty off the hill.)

It was wet/slippy underfoot, clagged in, intermittently wet overhead and the grassy bank was all churned up with mud, but never windy or downright cold.
mypyrex - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to halo:
> (In reply to kieran b) Apparantly there's a restaurant too.

You call it a restaurant?

Kipper - on 04 Sep 2011
richprideaux - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to Kipper:

They must have gone up on the railway line, unlikely to have gotten past the bridge at Halfway If they had used the path, surely?
timjones - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to Kipper:
> (In reply to shingsowa)
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-14779014

How can a railway employee who makes a living by giving sandal clad tourists an easy ride to the summit keep a straight face whilst claiming that it's dangerous to drive up the motorway on the Llanberis side of the mountain?
birdie num num - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:
I understand that they were looking for some free parking.
gethin_allen on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:
They should make the driver pay to have the vehicle removed from the mountain by chinook helicopter. It would cost a packet so would convince them not to do it again, it would be good training for the RAF and it would be a great spectacle to watch.
Ghastly Rubberfeet on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to abseil:
> (In reply to shingsowa)
>
> That's nothing. I drove up K2 with the missus last weekend. Got a flat at 27,000 feet and the AA refused to come out.

That's your fault!

You should have gone with Direct Line!
John_Hat - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to abseil:
> (In reply to shingsowa)
>
> That's nothing. I drove up K2 with the missus last weekend. Got a flat at 27,000 feet and the AA refused to come out.

I remember driving up Wrynose pass and meeting a little commotion where a lass had taken her eyes of the road to look at the view and her car had ended up teetering on a boulder over a long drop. The fact that the boulder had embeded itself in what remained of the bottom of her engine was the only thing that had stopped her.

Apparently the AA had been called and Were Not Happy.
Moley on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:
So long as somebody puts a DIM PARCIO sign up there, it shouldn't happen again.
DancingOnRock - on 04 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa: A Frontera? That's a bit overkil really. Could have probably got that far in an Astra Estate.
abseil on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to gethin_allen:
> (In reply to shingsowa)
> They should make the driver pay to have the vehicle removed from the mountain by chinook helicopter....

Great idea. And wouldn't it be a shame if they 'accidentally' dropped the vehicle into the sea as well, whoops, sorry, pls apply to the Ministry of Defence for a refund.

And can I suggest now that Prince William be pilot, cheer up everyone's Monday.
Shirebikes on 05 Sep 2011 - mailserver.wildcountry.co.uk
In reply to shingsowa: Seen the wagon around beris a few times so almost certainly a local... word is they went up the train track in the early hours of sunday morning...
Martin W on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:
> Hearing a rumour about some fools driving a Vauxhall Frontera

Nothing more need be said; no-one in their right minds would attempt such a thing.
Nutkey on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-14784515
'He said driving up "hugely steep", craggy and loose areas was dangerous'

Is he talking about the same place?!

highclimber - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa: I heard they were following their Satnav
LastBoyScout on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to Nutkey:

Yeah - I must have been 1 small step away from instant death when I cycled up it, let alone all the times I've walked up it!
LastBoyScout on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to Nutkey:

Surely the chap from mountain rescue should be offering the driver a job?
MHutch - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to Nicholas Livesey:
> (In reply to shingsowa) If that's true then I would imagine they are quite pleased with their achievement, the complete, unutterable morons.

I can see how driving up a wide, stony track could cause devastating environmental damage.

timjones - on 05 Sep 2011
Saturday night in a small town......

superb practical joke ;)

MHutch - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to timjones:

Bet the mates who laid down the challenge are p*ssing themselves.
timjones - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to MHutch:

I was imagining the mates borrowing the car and parking it there without the owners knowledge ;)

It's the sort of trick that you'd be proud to dream up!
Clarence on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to mypyrex:
> (In reply to halo)
> [...]
>
> You call it a restaurant?

Its actually a Dominos Pizza, as soon as they can remember where they left the delivery 4x4 normal operations are set to resume...
mypyrex - on 05 Sep 2011
timjones - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to mypyrex:
> (In reply to shingsowa) Somebody charged:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-14786115

Are they really still debating how to get it down?

It's about time they got off their lazy arses and drove it down ;(
Alex Purser - on 05 Sep 2011
Very funny and no harm done. Waste of time and money prosecuting anyone and dreaming up expensive ways to get it down. It managed up under its own steam so it can manage down under its own steam. Give the bloke his keys back and tell him to do it when it's quiet.
timjones - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to Alex Purser:
> Very funny and no harm done. Waste of time and money prosecuting anyone and dreaming up expensive ways to get it down. It managed up under its own steam so it can manage down under its own steam. Give the bloke his keys back and tell him to do it when it's quiet.

You can't deny the NP and railway staff their right to be paid to sit on their arses in a "conference" to discuss all of the less practical options in minute detail.
Ian Rock on 05 Sep 2011
Frogger - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to mypyrex:
> (In reply to shingsowa) Somebody charged:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-14786115


I can feel a ridiculously disproportionate sentence coming on...

Frogger - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to Ian Rock:

I love this in the story:

Alan Kendall, the general manager of the Snowdon Mountain Railway said there were four options to get it back down.

"It could be winched off by helicopter, broken up and brought down in pieces, ramped onto a flat bed truck and brought down on the railway or driven down," he said.


...er..... how about... erm...

Driving it down?!

;-)
MHutch - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to Ian Rock:

I'd like to see the rest of his list...
Frogger - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to MHutch:

Cars on mountains isn't always frowned upon, though...

We all know about this celebrated achievement, don't we?

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Drive-a-Model-T-up.4094753.jp

the sheep - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to Ian Rock:

"There have been pianos, beds, stilts, a unicycle, people have gone on their hands and knees, backwards.... although of course they were all there legally, because no motorised vehicles are allowed."

Is the train powered by hamsters then?

Bingers - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to Ian Rock:

So now we know why he drove it up. Do we know why we didn't drive it back down again?
Ramblin dave - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to the sheep:
> (In reply to Ian Rock)
> [...]
>
> "There have been pianos, beds, stilts, a unicycle, people have gone on their hands and knees, backwards.... although of course they were all there legally, because no motorised vehicles are allowed."
>
> Is the train powered by hamsters then?

Yeah that did seem pretty silly.

Having said that, you understand them being a bit draconian about this sort of thing - it's a fairly small step from one bloke driving a 4x4 up there for a laugh to, er, quite a lot of blokes driving 4x4's up there as "the UK's toughest offroad challenge"...
Clarence on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to Ramblin dave:
> ...it's a fairly small step from one bloke driving a 4x4 up there for a laugh to, er, quite a lot of blokes driving 4x4's up there as "the UK's toughest offroad challenge"...

These kind of blokes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNybnRkj-MY
timjones - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to the sheep:
> (In reply to Ian Rock)
> [...]
>
> "There have been pianos, beds, stilts, a unicycle, people have gone on their hands and knees, backwards.... although of course they were all there legally, because no motorised vehicles are allowed."
>
> Is the train powered by hamsters then?

The train doesn't count because it's a "tourist attraction" ;(

Personally I would find the occasional 4x4 a lot less offensive than the railway track.

LastBoyScout on 05 Sep 2011
Duncan Bourne - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to MJ:
> (In reply to abseil)
>
> "That's nothing. I drove up K2 with the missus last weekend. Got a flat at 27,000 feet and the AA refused to come out."
>

and didn't someone nearly drive theirs over a cliff in Cornwall? What next deep water soloing in range rovers at Swanage? They'll be parking up at Stanage next!
gethin_allen on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to TimR:
> (In reply to shingsowa) A Frontera? That's a bit overkil really. Could have probably got that far in an Astra Estate.


It would be a good challenge for a 2CV I reckon.
John_Hat - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to Alex Purser:
> Very funny and no harm done. Waste of time and money prosecuting anyone and dreaming up expensive ways to get it down. It managed up under its own steam so it can manage down under its own steam. Give the bloke his keys back and tell him to do it when it's quiet.

I tend to agree. What I don't really understand is why he didn't just drive it back down at the time.

Also, if the rest of the mountain next to the railway is the same sort of quality surface as the bit its parked next to, then frankly it doesn't even look slightly difficult to get a car up there.

However, I can totally understand the police and pretty much everyone else wanting to strongly discourage repeat performances by a hefty sentence and a huge fine - otherwise there will be every boy racer and his souped up astra trying it.
DancingOnRock - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to gethin_allen:
> (In reply to TimR)
> [...]
>
>
> It would be a good challenge for a 2CV I reckon.

Can't you take a 2CV apart with a single 13mm spanner?

Then all you'd need to do is smuggle it up on the train....

...maybe in one of those tartan shopping bags with wheels that grannies always have.
gethin_allen on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to TimR:
> (In reply to gethin_allen)
> [...]
>
> Can't you take a 2CV apart with a single 13mm spanner?
>
> Then all you'd need to do is smuggle it up on the train....
>
> ...maybe in one of those tartan shopping bags with wheels that grannies always have.

Have you seen the price of tickets on the train these days? It would be cheaper to get it helicoptered in.
Thinking about that, my cousin is in the RAF maintaining Chinook helicopters, I could give him a call.

gethin_allen on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to gethin_allen:
Although, I'd need someone to donate a 2CV as I haven't got one.
Peakpdr - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:

He prob thought it would be fine after all there is a train up there. he must have thought oooh look a roads been put down may as well drive up and save myself some cash instead of taking the train
lowersharpnose - on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to John_Hat:

What I don't really understand is why he didn't just drive it back down at the time.

I think he got "bedayed" (as opposed to benighted).
stewieatb on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to lowersharpnose:

Perhaps "Belighted"?
stevev on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa: He just needed some charity stickers and t-shirts and everyone would have assumed it was ok.
MHutch - on 05 Sep 2011
johnnorman on 05 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:


Should got a Land Rover, they would have been up and back down!
colina - on 05 Sep 2011
apparently some one asked the driver "why did you want to drive up snowdon?"
his reply was "because its there" stupid remark to make.......!

The cars last known sighting was only a few hundred metres from the summit.
i wonder if it got to the top before the engine died ? ...i guess we,ll never find out....
grommet on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to colina:

This was one of the topics of the Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today.

Apparently the people on the train were "incandescent with rage" when they saw the vehicle.

There was an interview with the man himself too.
MHutch - on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to grommet:
> (In reply to colina)
>
> This was one of the topics of the Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show today.
>
> Apparently the people on the train were "incandescent with rage" when they saw the vehicle.

Only because they'd had to take out a second mortgage to get themselves mechanically propelled up there, without realising they could have probably just got in the family car.

Don't know what the penalty is for driving on common land - fine and points? Probably worth it for him...

KevinD - on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to lowersharpnose:

> I think he got "bedayed" (as opposed to benighted).

still doesnt make much sense, since it isnt like it wouldnt have been noticed sitting there so might as well drive back down and possibly not be spotted.

Unless it was the risk of meeting a train coming the other way (assuming for the lower part he used the track).
Tim Chappell - on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:

Yeah, but what has the Frontera ever done on grit?
johnwright - on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to Goucho:
> (In reply to shingsowa) I might be mistaken, and more knowledgeable folk on here will probably know, but didn't Al Harris get an old A40 van as far as Cloggy corner?
>
> Or is that just another apocryphal Harris myth?

They never made an A40 van, it will have been an A35.lol
toad - on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to Tim Chappell:
> (In reply to shingsowa)
>
> Yeah, but what has the Frontera ever done on grit?

At a guess, Stanage Causeway
gethin_allen on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to dissonance:
> (In reply to lowersharpnose)
>
> [...]
>
> still doesnt make much sense, since it isnt like it wouldnt have been noticed sitting there so might as well drive back down and possibly not be spotted.
>
> Unless it was the risk of meeting a train coming the other way (assuming for the lower part he used the track).

A report I'd read said that he drove up the railway track so that could be real possibility.
Lion Bakes on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:

It was the railway track at the start, we got a lift up in the back with our mountain bikes....
Frogger - on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to toad:
> (In reply to Tim Chappell)
> [...]
>
> At a guess, Stanage Causeway

Lol!
Lion Bakes on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:

Looks like he's preparing his defence

34(4) A person shall not be convicted of an offence under this section with respect to a vehicle if he proves to the satisfaction of the court that it was driven in contravention of this section for the purpose of saving life or extinguishing fire or meeting any other like emergency.
Banned User 77 - on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to gethin_allen:
> (In reply to dissonance)
> [...]
>
> A report I'd read said that he drove up the railway track so that could be real possibility.

He must have, there are a few rocks, especialy higher up that I doubt you could get a car past and there's also rocky sections lower down and then the bouldery section between half way and allt moses..Not sure where he would have got onto the track though..
Goucho on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to johnwright: Thanks for the correction, did they do it in blue though
toad - on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to johnnorman:
> (In reply to shingsowa)
>
>
> Should got a Land Rover, they would have been up and back down!

A Land Rover will get you anywhere, but a Toyota will get you back again as well (c) Ring ouzel of this parish
John_Hat - on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to toad:
> (In reply to Tim Chappell)
> [...]
>
> At a guess, Stanage Causeway

Yes, the last time I was at stange there was an off-road club trying to drive down stanage causeway.

Two vehicles, the driver of the second was in tears, this escalated into a domestic with a passanger in the first car, etc.

Peaceful enjoyment of nature it was not...
Dave Williams - on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:

More here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14793859
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-14791178

The most sensible way to get it down would be to simply drive it back down the railway track, but no doubt some OTT, mega bucks solution involving cranes and/ or helicopters will be used instead.

Silly bu@@er. I wonder if he'll still think it was worth it after the book's been thrown at him?

One commentator on the radio said that this was the first time a 4x4 had been driven to the summit but, illegal or not, I came across 2 army swb Land Rovers parked next to the station platform sometime in the early '70s. Taking the train *has* to be a more comfortable way of travelling up and down though ...

Dave
malky_c - on 06 Sep 2011
In reply to Dave Williams:
>
> One commentator on the radio said that this was the first time a 4x4 had been driven to the summit

...but then the sidebar in the BBC article has the following info (fair enough maybe not 4x4's):

CARS ON SNOWDON THROUGH HISTORY
27 January 1904 - first attempt by motor car failed
14 May 1904 - another different attempt succeeds
1917 or 1918 - another unidentified attempt, captured by British Pathe

thorough research!
Leebarker on 07 Sep 2011 - host217-42-85-157.range217-42.btcentralplus.com
I know its not the same, but in 1997 I saw a Landrover going up Elbrus, it did summit but i dont think they got it all they way back down again. It was a bit odd to see, to say the very least.!
toad - on 07 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa: My guess is that the landowner / NPA will insist on removing it by helicopter and recover the costs accordingly. Ostensibly to prevent damage to the SSSI, but really to deter others now it's more widely known to be possible.
Banned User 77 - on 07 Sep 2011
In reply to toad: I think you are right, its the sort of petty attitude you expect. Vehicles work on Snowdon, look at the cafe building all the time, so the use of the train or even driving it down the tracks is perfectly possible. I do feel the attacks on this guy are all a bit OTT. He was just a bit of an idiot, but at least many got to be sanctimonious arses for a day or two to make themselves feel better.
toad - on 07 Sep 2011
In reply to IainRUK: I'm torn betwixt and between. Part of me would like him to tow it down with his teeth, and I can see why the park would be deperate to prevent copycats, but he does seem a bit of a fool, rather than plotting the downfall of SNH. It would be overkill to bankrupt him with costs for a helicopter recovery, even if it would make good TV for the NP
stevev on 07 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa: I am surprised someone hasn't taken the opportunity for a joke. Perhaps nicking the wheels or slapping a parking ticket on it.
ginsters - on 07 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:

http://www.summitpost.org/snowdon-summit-may-2007/296679


i bet they did more damage getting up there,they should just let him drive it down
toad - on 08 Sep 2011
In reply to toad:
rather than plotting the downfall of SNH.

oops. Means the national park, not Scottish Natural Heritage
MHutch - on 08 Sep 2011
In reply to toad:
> (In reply to IainRUK) It would be overkill to bankrupt him with costs for a helicopter recovery, even if it would make good TV for the NP

I'd be interested to see what rights the NP had to impound the vehicle pending payment for this. I'd imagine not much, so they may have to hand him his vehicle, then take it to civil court to recover the money, where the argument could be made that it wasn't a reasonable charge, given the vehicle could probably be driven off down the tracks.
cmgcmg - on 08 Sep 2011
gethin_allen on 08 Sep 2011
In reply to stevev:
> (In reply to shingsowa) I am surprised someone hasn't taken the opportunity for a joke. Perhaps nicking the wheels or slapping a parking ticket on it.

We saw a 4X4 high up on the piste in Alp d'Huez. It had crashed into a snow cannon and had a parking ticket stuck to the windscreen.
stevev on 08 Sep 2011
The RAF missed a trick here, they should have chinooked a caravan up there to hook to the back of it. That would have dumbfounded the crowds the next morning.

Dave Garnett - on 08 Sep 2011
In reply to cmgcmg:

A bit depressing that it had been broken into. Obviously not a safe place to park for Cloggy.

You have to feel sorry for the guy. He does seem to be a complete loser and this is probably the most noteworthy thing he'll ever do. Throwing the book at him does seem a bit self-righteous.
MHutch - on 08 Sep 2011
In reply to cmgcmg:

Marvellous.
But if they charge 18 per adult one way, I dread to think what the charge for a car will be...

muppetfilter - on 08 Sep 2011
Rubbishy - on 08 Sep 2011


What other things do you think 39 year old Craig Willaims has on his 50 Things to Do List?

27) Get a proper 4X4 and not a jacked up Cavalier

1) Stop living with my parents and get my own place
Dave Garnett - on 08 Sep 2011
In reply to John Rushby:

As a publicity stunt for his vehicle recovery technician employment prospects, I'm not sure this has gone at all well.
gethin_allen on 08 Sep 2011
In reply to Dave Garnett:
I can't believe that someone had broken into the car, you like to think that the kind of people that you seen in the mountains have slightly better morals than the scum you get nicking cars in dodgy housing estates, but obviously not.
timjones - on 08 Sep 2011
In reply to Dave Garnett:
> (In reply to John Rushby)
>
> As a publicity stunt for his vehicle recovery technician employment prospects, I'm not sure this has gone at all well.

This is why the government have an ongoing red tape challenge. Petty bureaucracy stops small businesses from getting on with the job efficiently ;)
M0nkey - on 08 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:

i feel a bit sorry for the guy. To be fair, i suspect most of us have been involved in or instigated some similar stunts in our time. Of course, we were all smart enough not to get caught.

I think they should just let him drive down, or get bear grylls to drive down and make it into a discovery channel programme.
Rog2025 on 08 Sep 2011 - 188.29.127.200.threembb.co.uk
In reply to malky_c:

Thorough research??? Actually that was my research that the BBC used. They approached me for permission to use material from my website.

Rog from Snowdon Splendour.
Rog2025 on 08 Sep 2011 - 188.29.127.200.threembb.co.uk
The BBC also found the British Pathe film of Snowdon by way my research.

Rog
Colonel Gaddafi on 08 Sep 2011 - 94-192-157-178.zone6.bethere.co.uk
In reply to shingsowa: I could have given them a T-72 gun tank. They are becoming redundant & i'm upgrading. They'd have made it to the summit in one of them.
jamescronin - on 10 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:

I'll drive up in my defender and tow it back down on a trailer for them if the really can't find a cheaper way of doing it, as that goes anywhere - it's been up the ACCESS ROAD to the tranearth hut at Dow in the middle of winter with two foot of snow on the ground before past the numerous spots where others have got stuck (including a tractor)

IF I ever thought of going up snowdon, and it was legal then this is the only thing I would want to drive up. Not this Vauxhall rubbish.....

A quick look at www.landyzone.co.uk will point you in the direction of the mentality of some 4x4 owners......
pneame on 11 Sep 2011
In reply to Dave Williams:
Is my memory failing me or do I recall some stuff with a LandRover back in the days when men were men and sheep were sheep and giants roamed the land?
Dave Williams - on 12 Sep 2011
In reply to pneame:

Haha. No, the old memory seems to be holding up just fine! :)

I take it you're referring to this one - http://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.html?id=136670 - that sometimes boldly went where no old leaf spring Land Rover had any right to go. [BTW, the photo contains a bit of a tongue-in-cheek clue ... ;)]

Never went to the top of Snowdon though - far too obvious and also somewhat lacking in challenge. The same can't be said of some, errm, slate quarry inclines and other equally daft places. Never seemed to cause a problem at the time and I wonder if folk were far more accepting and tolerant of the immature stupidity of others back in the day of "when men were men and sheep were sheep and giants roamed the land"?

Dave
pneame on 13 Sep 2011
In reply to Dave Williams:
Ah, yes!
I think there was a bit more tolerance. People are so damn serious about these things these days...
Al Evans on 13 Sep 2011
In reply to pneame: I seem to remember a model T Ford was driven to the summit as a publicity stunt, or maybe that was Ben Nevis?
pneame on 13 Sep 2011
In reply to Al Evans:
Looks like Ben Nevis
http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/16/6653903-model-t-enthusiasts-reenact-1911-ascent-of-b...
In the modern "re-enactment", health and safety require them to carry the car up in bits and rebuild on the summit.
Pathetic
Ramblin dave - on 13 Sep 2011
In reply to pneame:
"Health and safety reasons". Yeah. some solid fact checking going on there.
nickcanute - on 14 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa: a helicopter ought pick it up and drop it from a great height into lyn padarn, the car owner footing the bill, and you could have a lakeside gala/barbecue to make an event of the occasion. perhaps people would be prepared to donate to charity to watch..
teflonpete - on 16 Sep 2011
In reply to IainRUK:
> (In reply to toad) I think you are right, its the sort of petty attitude you expect. Vehicles work on Snowdon, look at the cafe building all the time, so the use of the train or even driving it down the tracks is perfectly possible.


There was a JCB parked just short of the top when I was up there last year or the year before. Think they took it up on the train for work on the paths.
MJ - on 16 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:

He is now facing a Dangerous Driving charge: -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-14947291
toad - on 16 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa: wheels and butterflies spring to mind
Richard Wilson - on 16 Sep 2011
In reply to shingsowa:

Sounds like they are fishing for a more serious charge to put other off doing the same.

If you read the Act here

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/40/section/1

You can see that they will not get him for dangerous driving.

His standard of driving must be above that of a "competent and careful driver" to get said vehicle that far, plus he did not injure any one or do "serious damage to property". Minor or possible damage to property is not enough to convict.


So unless his vehicle was not "road" worthy or they have an eye witness report from an expert witness that saw him endanger others I think they have jack on him to convict of dangerous driving.


MHutch - on 16 Sep 2011
In reply to MJ:
> (In reply to shingsowa)
>
> He is now facing a Dangerous Driving charge: -
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-14947291

What a farce. I'm sure they're still combing the legislature for some unrepealed law which they could use to have him beheaded.

MHutch - on 16 Sep 2011
In reply to Richard Wilson:
> (In reply to shingsowa)
>
> Sounds like they are fishing for a more serious charge to put other off doing the same.
>
> If you read the Act here
>
> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/40/section/1
>
> You can see that they will not get him for dangerous driving.
>
> His standard of driving must be above that of a "competent and careful driver" to get said vehicle that far, plus he did not injure any one or do "serious damage to property". Minor or possible damage to property is not enough to convict.
>
>
> So unless his vehicle was not "road" worthy or they have an eye witness report from an expert witness that saw him endanger others I think they have jack on him to convict of dangerous driving.

Making us all pay for a Crown Court trial seems like a bloody expensive way to try to discourage others, particularly as, like you say, he would probably be acquitted.
Gary S - on 30 Sep 2011
EddInaBox on 30 Sep 2011
In reply to Gary S:

The saga has been continuing over on this thread:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=476699
Gary S - on 30 Sep 2011
In reply to EddInaBox: Thanks

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