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Though not noted for their understanding of climbing accidents, the BBC suggest that this poor fella had already been trying for an hour to unjam his arm from the Cromlech, with the help of the rest of the party.
11/10 for effort guys and I hope the arm recovers fully. Calling the rescue is always such a blow to the self-esteem, but sounds like you made absolutely the right decision. Hopefully the arm came out before the cavers arrived with the dynamite anyway - eek.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-17509...
Let's see if we can rise above the Arn Ralston gags anyway.
b
11/10 for effort guys and I hope the arm recovers fully. Calling the rescue is always such a blow to the self-esteem, but sounds like you made absolutely the right decision. Hopefully the arm came out before the cavers arrived with the dynamite anyway - eek.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-17509...
Let's see if we can rise above the Arn Ralston gags anyway.
b
In reply to ben b:
Good effort on the attempted self rescue. Hopefully he'll have a speedy recovery.
Can't help but wonder though; what exactly was the plan with the dynamite?!
Good effort on the attempted self rescue. Hopefully he'll have a speedy recovery.
Can't help but wonder though; what exactly was the plan with the dynamite?!
In reply to Dave 88:
"Are you stuck there?"
"Yes, very seriously wedged"
"Don't worry we have dynamite"...
The person rapidly loses a sizable quantity of bodyweight through sweating and slides straight out of the crack.
Doesn't sound like a fun way to spend Sunday, best wishes to all involved.
"Are you stuck there?"
"Yes, very seriously wedged"
"Don't worry we have dynamite"...
The person rapidly loses a sizable quantity of bodyweight through sweating and slides straight out of the crack.
Doesn't sound like a fun way to spend Sunday, best wishes to all involved.
In reply to Dave 88: Cavers and dynamite. It's be like the paramilitary wing of the Beard Liberation Front.
In reply to ben b:
excellent.
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> (In reply to Dave 88) Cavers and dynamite. It's be like the paramilitary wing of the Beard Liberation Front.
excellent.
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In reply to ben b: Dinas Cromlech seems to have grown a bit since my last visit, according to that report. 300m?!
In reply to ben b:
Cavers don't use dynamite.
They just mix up a bit of 'bang' in the bath as required.
Cavers don't use dynamite.
They just mix up a bit of 'bang' in the bath as required.
In reply to Dan Bailey - UKHillwalking.com:
Indeed, that makes you wonder how they get the rope up there first. Probably some sort of bolt gun?
Shouldn't really diss Aunty Beeb. Still head and shoulders above the rest, but the local news desk remains pretty clueless. Bless.
Indeed, that makes you wonder how they get the rope up there first. Probably some sort of bolt gun?
Shouldn't really diss Aunty Beeb. Still head and shoulders above the rest, but the local news desk remains pretty clueless. Bless.
In reply to Andy Say: It's not like cavers would use the bath for anything else though...
In reply to ben b: I wonder where the people of UKC stand on the ethics of (assuming the dynamite would have solved the situation) saving a guys arm or saving a 3* classic on the Cromlech?
In reply to ben b:
I knew there was a reason I didn't like jamming.
Poor chap. Hope he's recovering well.
I knew there was a reason I didn't like jamming.
Poor chap. Hope he's recovering well.
In reply to Double Knee Bar:
Worryingly, there would probably be a debate over it!
> (In reply to ben b) I wonder where the people of UKC stand on the ethics of (assuming the dynamite would have solved the situation) saving a guys arm or saving a 3* classic on the Cromlech?
Worryingly, there would probably be a debate over it!
In reply to Double Knee Bar: remove the arm from the shoulder and leave it there as a bit of crag swag
great though that the climber was rescued without serious injury,( or see link below), and also the route was undamaged ( dynamite :0)
have you all seen the footage of the climber cacking himself with his leg stuck in an offwidth crack very funny,
youtube.com/watch?v=Lj-223YTiiU&
great though that the climber was rescued without serious injury,( or see link below), and also the route was undamaged ( dynamite :0)
have you all seen the footage of the climber cacking himself with his leg stuck in an offwidth crack very funny,
youtube.com/watch?v=Lj-223YTiiU&
In reply to ben b:
sounds nasy, either swelling up that got it stuck or even a dislocation, espec if they had to give him morphine.
Arm or the destruction of a classic route by explosives? Arm everytime I'm afraid!
sounds nasy, either swelling up that got it stuck or even a dislocation, espec if they had to give him morphine.
Arm or the destruction of a classic route by explosives? Arm everytime I'm afraid!
In reply to gd303uk:
If it was that stuck you could sling it like a chock stone or if the unfortunate was wearing a sunto watch it'd be worth digging around with a nutkey
> (In reply to Double Knee Bar) remove the arm from the shoulder and leave it there as a bit of crag swag
If it was that stuck you could sling it like a chock stone or if the unfortunate was wearing a sunto watch it'd be worth digging around with a nutkey
In reply to gd303uk: Yeah that's brilliant!
A friend of mine told me he got a fist jam/armbar stuck in Cenotaph Corner once, though I don't remember the crack being that wide.
A friend of mine told me he got a fist jam/armbar stuck in Cenotaph Corner once, though I don't remember the crack being that wide.
In reply to ben b:
"It was a good joint services rescue"
I dunno, sounds like they've got the right idea!
> (In reply to Dan Bailey - UKHillwalking.com)
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> Shouldn't really diss Aunty Beeb. Still head and shoulders above the rest, but the local news desk remains pretty clueless. Bless.
> Shouldn't really diss Aunty Beeb. Still head and shoulders above the rest, but the local news desk remains pretty clueless. Bless.
"It was a good joint services rescue"
I dunno, sounds like they've got the right idea!
In reply to MHutch:
I know. Some people might even advocate saving the arm over the route!
S/he is following a noble tradition if that is any compensation.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=553289
> (In reply to Double Knee Bar)
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> Worryingly, there would probably be a debate over it!
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> Worryingly, there would probably be a debate over it!
I know. Some people might even advocate saving the arm over the route!
S/he is following a noble tradition if that is any compensation.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=553289
In reply to ben b:
Cavers and dynamite sounds a bit extreme.
A bus load of geology students could have done the job.
Cavers and dynamite sounds a bit extreme.
A bus load of geology students could have done the job.
In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:
Given the seriousness of the situation, all options were being considered. The best news was he was freed without any other intervention.
> (In reply to ben b)
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> Cavers and dynamite sounds a bit extreme.
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> A bus load of geology students could have done the job.
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> Cavers and dynamite sounds a bit extreme.
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> A bus load of geology students could have done the job.
Given the seriousness of the situation, all options were being considered. The best news was he was freed without any other intervention.
In reply to Double Knee Bar:
Was there any damage caused when they got the lad out of the crack on top of the Cromlech Boulders; I seem to recall they levered off a flake in that case.
Was there any damage caused when they got the lad out of the crack on top of the Cromlech Boulders; I seem to recall they levered off a flake in that case.
In reply to ben b: my understanding is the route was noah's warning. However chinese whispers could be at place as thats from a friend who had a text message from someone who was there. Who knows!
In reply to HappyTrundler:
not sure of the route, haven't looked it up yet but it was a crackline about 10m left around the corner from the L arete of Left wall. Best wishes to the guy, it sounds nasty.
> (In reply to MBT)
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> Maybe Sabre Cut? I remember getting my knee stuck about 30 years ago...
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> Maybe Sabre Cut? I remember getting my knee stuck about 30 years ago...
not sure of the route, haven't looked it up yet but it was a crackline about 10m left around the corner from the L arete of Left wall. Best wishes to the guy, it sounds nasty.
In reply to ben b:
Sorry to be a pedant but I see no reference to dynamite in that link...
Quote:"a police helicopter brought cave rescuers with explosives from Flintshire"
It is more likely to have been Hilti caps, normally used to fire nail guns. You drill a hole, push the Hilti cap to the bottom of the hole, insert drill bit, cover everything with industrial conveyor belt material, then hit drill bit with a hammer. The net result is the rock splits locally.
NB. Do not attempt to use the technique without specialised tuition as it can result in major injury.
> Hopefully the arm came out before the cavers arrived with the dynamite anyway - eek.
Sorry to be a pedant but I see no reference to dynamite in that link...
Quote:"a police helicopter brought cave rescuers with explosives from Flintshire"
It is more likely to have been Hilti caps, normally used to fire nail guns. You drill a hole, push the Hilti cap to the bottom of the hole, insert drill bit, cover everything with industrial conveyor belt material, then hit drill bit with a hammer. The net result is the rock splits locally.
NB. Do not attempt to use the technique without specialised tuition as it can result in major injury.
In reply to ben b:
There was a similar case on Gimmer a few years ago. A climber got a leg stuck behind a large block; after a couple of hours trying to free the well stuck leg the rescue team was called. Lubrication and brute force failed to work so Clapham Cave Rescue were delivered by helicopter with a two ton jack (which they bent) and other gizmo's, they then split the side of the crack with some wedges called feathers having drilled a series of holes in the rock (Hilti's on Gimmer - whateve next!?). The stuck limb then lifted from the crack with ease - time from getting stuck to being free'd 8 hours - glad it wasn't me!
Incidentally, I had thought that a bit of bang might be the solution (or at least some good fun) but plan Z was, apparently, for a doctor to administer a general anaesthetic or a big dose of sedative and then pull the limb out of the crack.
There was a similar case on Gimmer a few years ago. A climber got a leg stuck behind a large block; after a couple of hours trying to free the well stuck leg the rescue team was called. Lubrication and brute force failed to work so Clapham Cave Rescue were delivered by helicopter with a two ton jack (which they bent) and other gizmo's, they then split the side of the crack with some wedges called feathers having drilled a series of holes in the rock (Hilti's on Gimmer - whateve next!?). The stuck limb then lifted from the crack with ease - time from getting stuck to being free'd 8 hours - glad it wasn't me!
Incidentally, I had thought that a bit of bang might be the solution (or at least some good fun) but plan Z was, apparently, for a doctor to administer a general anaesthetic or a big dose of sedative and then pull the limb out of the crack.
In reply to ben b:
Could the not get the fire service to try and push the crack apart enough to get the poor chap/chapess's arm out?
Could the not get the fire service to try and push the crack apart enough to get the poor chap/chapess's arm out?
In reply to Dan Bailey - UKHillwalking.com:
Well, the top of the crag is above 300 m
> (In reply to ben b) Dinas Cromlech seems to have grown a bit since my last visit, according to that report. 300m?!
Well, the top of the crag is above 300 m
In reply to Trevor Langhorne:
Yes, the team members involved told me they greatly enjoyed the helicopter flight.
"2008 May 6 Tue 16.42 Gimmer Crag, Langdale, Cumbria - Mountain Rescue
Langdale / Ambleside MRT requested specialist assistance from CRO when a rock climber (f, 33) got her knee firmly jammed in a crack on 'A Route'. Team members with rock-removal equipment were flown to the top of the crag by RAF helicopter before abseiling down to the climber. Using 'plugs and feathers' rock was carefully removed from around the knee until it was free. The climber was uninjured and able to abseil down to the foot of the crag. Kendal MRT also assisted."
Yes, the team members involved told me they greatly enjoyed the helicopter flight.
"2008 May 6 Tue 16.42 Gimmer Crag, Langdale, Cumbria - Mountain Rescue
Langdale / Ambleside MRT requested specialist assistance from CRO when a rock climber (f, 33) got her knee firmly jammed in a crack on 'A Route'. Team members with rock-removal equipment were flown to the top of the crag by RAF helicopter before abseiling down to the climber. Using 'plugs and feathers' rock was carefully removed from around the knee until it was free. The climber was uninjured and able to abseil down to the foot of the crag. Kendal MRT also assisted."
In reply to Furthur: It was the first pitch of noahs warning, i was up there when it happened.
In reply to Furthur: The report has been amended since this morning. There was no mention of them "chipping away at the rock" before. I call for a front page UKC report of the damage incurred and organise an angry mob to hunt him down! I bet he was using chalk too!
Seriously though I'm glad he got away with all limbs, I bet that was a really nightmarish situation. Can't imagine what would be going through his head for all those hours.
Seriously though I'm glad he got away with all limbs, I bet that was a really nightmarish situation. Can't imagine what would be going through his head for all those hours.
In reply to Double Knee Bar: Oh sorry, didn't realise the report had changed to female.
In reply to Double Knee Bar:
The female mentioned was the incident on Gimmer in 2008. The BBC link in the OP states it was a male (28).
> (In reply to Double Knee Bar) Oh sorry, didn't realise the report had changed to female.
The female mentioned was the incident on Gimmer in 2008. The BBC link in the OP states it was a male (28).
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