In reply to Dave Perry:
I'm not quite sure why you're being so aggressive but hey, some people are just nob ends.
> So Asprin is useful for treating suspected heart attacks. I think not?. There is some evidence that it might help prevent some heart problems such as Myocardial Infarction but I'm not sure I could tell the difference between that and say, Angina Pectoris. Can you? So there's your mate Jeff laid out on the ground with a suspected heart attack and you are going to administer asprin? What if he's unconscious? I'd hope for better than that!!
I don't personally carry asprin but I wouldn't be as keen to ridicule it as quickly as you do. Ok so you can't tell the difference between your google results but what if Glynco can, should he not carry them either. Or should no one carry any first aid equipment that you personally can't use?
St. Johns Ambulance seem to think it's a useful first aid treatment if you find someone having a heart attack but then what do they know compared to you? (
http://tinyurl.com/36t6deb)
"What if Jeff is unconscious?" What if he isn't? First aid isn't about finding an example where "x" treatment isn't necessary and totally abandoning that course of action because you've found one instance where it's not appropriate.
> Paracetemol and Compeed are the most used first aid treatments? I would have thought plasters and asprin might just be used a little more, don't you? Compeed is used for those folk whose feet haven't got used to walking boots yet or you've just got yourself a nice new pair. Best to make your feet get used to the boots in the first place, and secondly prevention by ensuring that the minute you feel any start of a blister is to put on a plaster before you need compeed
So asprin's the daddy now is it? I thought it was as pointless as paracetamol. Either way it doesn't matter, having pain relief in your first aid kit isn't something which deserves criticism imo.
I'm not sure what you have against compeed. You say you should stop as soon as you feel a blister and put a plaster on, why not just put a compeed on which doesn't come off as easily. You say compeed is used for "those folk that haven't got used to walking boots", so what are they to do then? You admit that some people need to use compeed so why shouldn't they carry it? First aid kits aren't just for experts like you, if someones feet haven't got used to boots then why not let them take compeed in their kit?
Also what if your stiff B3 boots cause you blisters despite what you do? Would you be stupid to put a compeed on before you set off or should you just hold everyone up and take a 5 minute break while you put a plaster on your hot spot which will get rubbed off in a few mins? I'm not sure I'd be too happy climbing with someone who takes a break "the minute they feel the start of a blister".
> Steri strips.. So Darryl falls and cuts his hand on glass. Without bandages, wipes, absorbent material et.al, you're going to stick it together with steri strips. Do they stick to blood?? And when you get to outpatients won't they want to remove them to clean the wound ? Wouldn't a simple first aid dressing do the job until then?
Again, what's with picking examples where something is inappropriate to prove that it's never useful? Why are you going to outpatients for a wee cut? I don't think the original suggester of steri strips intended to use them as a replacement for bandages or to treat a major wound.
> Tic removers? Do people really check for ticks when on the hill???
Most probably don't but I'm not sure why you would have a problem if someone did. If I was out for a 10 day walk and I got a tick somewhere I'd take it out, probably not with tic removers as I don't carry them but they'd certainly do the job if you had them.
> Patacetomol good for post op need for morphine? So your mate Jeff falls off the ridge, cracks his head open, breaks his wrist. Are you telling me the best you can do for jeff is give him paracetamol????? "It's OK Jeff,. just don't bleed to death because I'll give you some pills which will stop you needing too much morphine if we can get you to a surgeon first" Wouldn't Jeff prefer a couple of bandages???
> So a combination of ibuperfen, asprin, codene or whatever etc., is useful for "moderate pain". Jeffs going to love you if he's now unconscious after his fall isn't he? "I hope he doesn't bleed to death then I can give him my nice pill collection" - What my be causing the pain in the first place? I'm sure Jeff loves your good intentions but I think he would want a bandage first and worry about the pain after you've stopped the blood and gore.....
Ah, it's Jeff again, conveniently sustaining an injury where paracetamol isn't the most appropriate treatment. So your reasoning is that because Jeff doesn't need paracetamol in this instance then no one ever does. Case closed.
If you had to drag yourself off the hill with a non-life threatening injury like a broken leg I'm sure you'd be glad of knocking back a half dozen paracetamol, some codeine and some ibuprofen. Just because you get them over the counter doesn't mean they don't work. Besides why do you have a problem with someone carrying a few painkillers to treat a headache or migraine?