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Can anyone help im looking for a cave to explore in the peak district nothing to tight and squeezy but the main thing is that its NOT lit by hallogen lights and have a cafe would idealy be nice and quiet with on one around


thanks
mike

In reply to mikey bryan: http://www.wirralcavinggroup.org.uk/trips/hardrawkin.html I enjoyed a trip down this cave back in the 70`s and remember it being a fun trip very close to the surface.

In reply to mikey bryan:
....and have a cafe would idealy be nice and quiet with on one around
Jugholes is a good beginner cave. Not to far from matlock. Two head touches each is my advise...

In reply to jimjimjim: torches....

In reply to mikey bryan: This site may be useful
http://www.peakdistrictcaving.info/

In reply to Al Evans: It has useful free PDF guides to many 'easy' caves in the Peak, nothing in the peaks though i'm afraid.

In reply to deepstar:

I know you Mendip cavers are always a bit zoned out on scrumpy BUT Hardrawkin is in the Dales, Mr Deepstar. There are some nice caffs down the road in Ingleton though and Hardrawkin Pot does knock spots off most Peak caves .....
Actually, if the OP does make it up here better options close by would be Middle Washfold http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/255320 to Great Douk http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/904880 or Sunset Hole down to the first pitch head. Then there are Long Churn and Borrins Moor over the other side of Ingleborough plus loads more (without all that horrible Peak mud).

In reply to Al Evans:

odd that!

In reply to mikey bryan: Plenty of suitable beginners/sacrificial caves around the Peaks but suggest the best thing to do is to ask the question in the relevant section of www.ukcaving.com as there aren't too many cavers on the climbing forum. If you're lucky then someone might give you grid references & specific information; if you're unlucky they might try to persuade you to join a club & do it properly! Wherever you end up going take multiple lamps, check the weather forecast/flooding issues of the cave & tell someone sensible where you're going to minimise hassle for the cave rescue team if you don't come back.

In reply to Al Evans:

You are the Don Quixote of UCK, and I salute you sir. :O)

In reply to jimjimjim: yer done jug holes, dead easy and easy to find
cheers allan

In reply to deepsoup:

Hey, at least the Peak is real, unlike the peaks and windmills disguised as knights

In reply to Karl Lunt: yer doing either great douk or long churn next week am up there wed to friday great douk if its wet long churn if its dry fingers crossed, done both lots really good caves
cheers

In reply to ashaw: you'll have 'fun' in both if it's wet. I've managed to get into Great Douk in flood before by scooting in along the ledge above the cavers on the right here http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/80264 It was hard work walking upstream against the water and couldn't get through the top crawl out to Middle Washfold - so near but so far! Good luck with the weather, it's foul up here just now.

In reply to Karl Lunt: ah right cheers yer douk was my back up plan but not using washfold entrance if its wet. Always worry about taking a group in the churn down as far as the cheese press if its too wet.
Do me a favour if your not that far away can you give us a shout on conditions on tuesday we are heading up wed am plan being to go caving wed night
cheers allan

In reply to ashaw: I'm on the 'sunny' coast (ha!). You'll get a much better idea of what's happening around Ingleborough if you contact Alan Steele and the guys at Inglesport http://www.inglesport.com/contacts They'll even give you tea and buns upstairs if it's really bad.

In reply to Karl Lunt: yer i often pop in their when up I may give them a bell on the wed morning to be on the safe side. I teach at a college in the Peaks and I dont do caving round there would much rather head up to the dales and hey I am from merseyside so not biased either way
cheers

In reply to ashaw: I was born in Walton Hospital and climbed my first ladder down Giants Hole (and fell off it). Never really took to Peak caves, Dales caving just has so much more to it, even the mud smells better!

In reply to Karl Lunt: ha ha yer your probably right

In reply to mikey bryan:

Back on topic: Carlswark via Gin entrance. Cafe at Calver lights.

You might not have it to yourself during the day, though not many groups venture past Noughts and Crosses.

A survey would be very useful.