In reply to paul mitchell: I was talking to your tree surgeon friend just last night.It was an amicable discussion in the pub.
The point I have made repeatedly is that there are other trees above that ledge and there are plenty of peg placements there too.
Absolutely no need for bolts there.I think Martin's argument was that bolts are safer than pegs.In this instance,with the bolt in a cracked block,not so.
When Martin bolted the bridge to make routes ,I was concerned that bolts would soon end up on the crag.Martin himself was the first to place a bolt on the crag/belay ledge.
That would tend to support the argument that when multiple bolts are placed,people get a bit trigger happy with the bolt gun.
I am arguing against bolts at the Torrs simply to preserve my routes there as trad routes.
I think that the BMC should negotiate with landowners and the Peak
Park Planning Board to establish a fixed gear code.One where bolt placement is kept to a minimum.
It should not be down to individuals to go to 'war' over the matter.
Nor should climbing be made safe for the 'health and safety' brigade.
Mitch