In reply to TobyA: Looking at the pics, the tread depth is about the same as my Spotiva B5s and 5.10's dotty stealth sole, ergo they will be utter rubbish on anything other than rock. They'll even be rubbish on dry gravelly paths such as those found around euro crags. Steep grass & bluebells will become a succession of bruised arses with shallow tread like that!