In reply to Goucho:
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> How many people who have been guided up Everest would be able to climb it under their own steam?
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Exactly, their own steam. They've still had to put the effort in.
> How many people who have been guided up Everest would be able to climb any of the major alpine routes. let alone under their own steam?
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I actually know quite a few people that have paid to go up some of the major alpine routes with a guide and had very little experience prior to going on it. They all came back saying the same thing; they were knackered and it was a good experience. Similar to those that I know have climbed Everest, except they'd lost a lot more weight and were in absolute pieces for a lot longer.
> The fact that relatively in-experienced people can climb it by jugging up an endless series of fixed ropes on a route which would barely get an alpine grade of AD, between pre-prepared camps, with a constant chaperone to make sure you clip from one fixed rope to the next correctly, and that your crampons are on right, is a rather profound illustration of how hard it really is wouldn't you say?
Not at all, difficulty is relative. For someone that has never done any mountaineering then yes, without doubt it would be hard. For the most experienced mountaineers in the world, such as yourself, no, technically it wouldn't be hard. But I'm sure the vast majority of people that have actually completed it would describe it as physically challenging no matter how fit they were prior to going up.
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> If it was hard, you wouldn't get around 500 inexperienced climbers a year reaching the summit would you?
First of all, I've not said it was hard. All I've said is that it's not easy. The very fact that an almost equal amount of people fail to climb the mountain and 1 in 10 of the attempts end in death is a far more profound illustration of how easy it isn't.
If it's so easy, go and do it. Most of the money that people are waving about is the hiring of sherpas, guides, transport etc. If it's going to be so easy for you, you wont need any of that. It'll be a couple of £k in flights then that'd be it.