In reply to victorclimber:
I think grading something 5c+ (as a free grade as against 5a 1pa) is rather silly. It's like saying 5++ or hard hard VS. This means basically that it's 6a. Translate that into British grading how you will. And yes, I did it in the old days too (and maybe five times since).
> twas 4c when we did it back in the old days ,no harder than Chir Mhor south ridge I would have thought
Once upon a time an old friend of mine told me that the Walker was a 1200m V Diff. Imagine how surprised I was when it wasn't...