In reply to Tom Randall - Lattice Training:
Thanks Tom.
> Bleed in Hell is not 8b in a million years. A great route, but more like hard 8a.
OK, but 8a is 8a - I did wonder if Mark meant Karin has climbed 8b sport AND did Bleed in Hell, but anyway, she's in.
> The Mustang route isn't quite as cool as it looks in photos (for some reason one that photographs better than it looks in real life!)
The difference between looking up from the ground (climber's view) vs. looking down from above (photographer's view)?
> I would imagine Toy Boy if converted to sport grade must get close to 8a, which Katy W did. But maybe you can't do that if it's now a highball....?
If she led it rather than highballed it over mats (and snow?) I reckon it counts. So back to the original question, so far we have:
UK Trad 8a women:
Hazel Findlay (numerous)
Karin Magog (Bleed in Hell)
Katy Whitaker (Toy Boy)
Honourable mentions:
Mary Jenner (Bleed in Hell - but we think she is still South African [please correct me if that's wrong])
Caroline Ciavaldini (Very hard trad routes in the UK - but not British)
Any advance on this list?