In reply to Offwidth:
> (In reply to Gordon Stainforth) Not only does climbing have plenty of people involved like that these days, its ideally suited to it, as however good you get, the real challenge is between you and the rock (not the grade). I'd say young people like that are common now but I've known some like it since I started in the 1980's.
Well, I agree that the challenge is between oneself and the rock, ... and nothing else at all. If one is genuinely operating at a ceiling of v diff, then yes, of course. I've also said (like you) that most climbers grow out of pushing their grades ... typically when they've reached their limit, and indeed start to climb less well. Because they had to. That applied to me as well.
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> Someone just mentioned (joking?) a crossover with hillwalking, which is not as daft, rude or ignorant as it sounds: some lower grade climbers just want to have some physical fun in beautiful surroundings.
Hillwalking has always been for me as imoortant as rock climbing - well for a few years between c.1968 and 72, less important. Long before I became a climber I was a keen hill walker, and mountaineering grew out of that, and then the desire to rock climb, because my climbing skills were shown to be hopelessly inadequate on my first trip to the Alps in 1966. Now that I've stopped climbing I am still as keen a hill walker as ever. And walk every weekend typically about 4-7 miles (nothing too long nowadays) in the Peak, with Freda - taking in a pub on route. One of the great joys in life. I had a very pleasant reacquiantance with the superb Ben Vorlich earlier in the summer.