In reply to Jamie B:
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> 2. Climbing without cams in order to improve your nut-placing skills seems a bit silly. They can save your life.
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For some reason I feel compelled to defend my position here. To me the argument that "they can save your life" is a bit silly - if that's the only rationale you have for using a particular piece of gear, for which alternatives exist. Seriously - when was the last time you placed a cam because only a cam would do?
It's human nature to take the path of least effort. stacked nuts in a parallel crack, or opposed nuts in a horizontal break will hold just as well as a cam, but if you're carrying cams, then that's what you're going to use. if you start off using cams then there's a good chance you'll never learn to do without them; That's something that can save your life too.
Cams are heavy, bulky and they pop just like any other piece of gear, but being spring loaded means that bad placements aren't always obvious - and being easy to place means they're easy to place badly. The same principles that apply to nut placements apply to cam placements. I say it's better to learn them placing nuts.
Sorry - I have a tendency to sermonise - Cams can save your life - so can the ability to do without them - which you most likely won't get if you start off using them.