In reply to aujayeb:
Just a shell. It's interesting what you wrote about insulated pants. Can you give an example of what you think would work better for climbing than baselayer + goretex shell combo?
I've had 2 pairs of softshell trousers and while I still like them for summer alpine and rock climbing, I've decided that for ice and winter climbing, as well as skiing, I now want something fully waterproof. So having the trousers made of goretex was a requirement of mine. The only goretex insulated trousers that I could find were made primarily for skiing, and as such both too baggy in terms of cut, and having too think insulation.
I' only saw the replies here today and I already bought the trousers on Friday. I'm generally reluctant to buy stuff on the internet without trying, and so I tried on probably 15 different trousers in the past weeks. Tupilaks just fit me best, but I didnt see the Kamchatkas anywhere (I'm in London).. Tupilaks are a bit tight, more so that I would like to see for skiing pants. Then on the other hand I was surprised the Mammut pants were. So maybe it's just a feature of trousers made specifically for climbing? Tupilaks are snug but not restricting the movement so probably ok..
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