In reply to tlm:
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> Do you think so, really? What about things like small, self-sufficient farmers, or indigenous people,
Indigenous peoples know loads of science. There maybe some mumbo jumbo mixed with it but if they've figured out princples that consistently allow them to do things better, as Coel says, that's the beginning of science.
> There are lots of ways of knowing about the world beside science, aren't there?
Like what?
> Like art might be a none scientific way of expressing your feelings.
But you don't get far without fire, soot, pigments, tools, candles, paper, glue, lenses, photographic emulsions, standing waves, octaves, amplifiers, plaster, concrete, smelting, holography, lasers...
Admittedly, you don't need any of that for whistling in the dark.
> Science only makes models of how the world is. It isn't how the world is.
Agreed, but it was shorthand. I meant 'science'. But then that's also true of religion, art and reality generally isn't it? It's all perception, conception and synecdoche, not just science.