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Today whilst walking into Sneachda I noticed dozens of places were people have just pee'd all over the path. Its really umpleasant for others walking in.
Its not difficult to walk a few meters off the path, big a hole in the snow with your boot then cover the hole back over with snow.
As an MIC I walk into the corrie many times a week and am getting fed up with seeing yellow patches.
Its not difficult to walk a few meters off the path, big a hole in the snow with your boot then cover the hole back over with snow.
As an MIC I walk into the corrie many times a week and am getting fed up with seeing yellow patches.
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
Are you taking the MIC...?
It's just piss; it's not nuclear waste. Either don't walk in it, or walk in it and the snow will have your boots clean in a few yards.
I bet it happens all year round, only you can't see it when there's no snow...
Are you taking the MIC...?
It's just piss; it's not nuclear waste. Either don't walk in it, or walk in it and the snow will have your boots clean in a few yards.
I bet it happens all year round, only you can't see it when there's no snow...
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In reply to captain paranoia:
It's unpleasant, unsightly and there's quite a lot of it. 50% of the population mysteriously seem to manage without dropping their pants every 5 minutes on the walk in, so it can't be that hard.
> It's just piss; it's not nuclear waste. Either don't walk in it, or walk in it and the snow will have your boots clean in a few yards.
It's unpleasant, unsightly and there's quite a lot of it. 50% of the population mysteriously seem to manage without dropping their pants every 5 minutes on the walk in, so it can't be that hard.
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
Yellow pish is a sign of insufficient hydration among winter mountaineers. If everyone drank enough there would be colourless holes in the snow, and if you stuck your nose in one and had a good sniff you'd barely notice.
Yellow pish is a sign of insufficient hydration among winter mountaineers. If everyone drank enough there would be colourless holes in the snow, and if you stuck your nose in one and had a good sniff you'd barely notice.
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
I was there today as well and I completely agree. I've never seen so many dark stains in the snow. If you must pee on the path please rehydrate in the morning before you set out. Orange they were!!
I was there today as well and I completely agree. I've never seen so many dark stains in the snow. If you must pee on the path please rehydrate in the morning before you set out. Orange they were!!
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
I rarely comment on here, but this is a topic I get quite 'pissed' off about, so I felt the need to comment.
I have to agree with you. Most approaches here are safe enough that people can veer off the path to have a piss a couple meters away. It already frustrates me in the alps*, but the occasional crevasse danger makes it a little more understandable (well, not really). Why people here can't walk off route at least a little bit is beyond me.
Besides the physical aspect of the sport, I climb to enjoy the outdoors. It isn't quite the same when you feel like you're walking through a toilet.
It really isn't that hard to take a few more steps off route and quickly kick some snow over your patch. Then again a few more steps on the way to Sneachda makes the approach about twice as long
*to be fair, the Gouter Route onto Mont Blanc is covered in everything from puke to piss.
I rarely comment on here, but this is a topic I get quite 'pissed' off about, so I felt the need to comment.
I have to agree with you. Most approaches here are safe enough that people can veer off the path to have a piss a couple meters away. It already frustrates me in the alps*, but the occasional crevasse danger makes it a little more understandable (well, not really). Why people here can't walk off route at least a little bit is beyond me.
Besides the physical aspect of the sport, I climb to enjoy the outdoors. It isn't quite the same when you feel like you're walking through a toilet.
It really isn't that hard to take a few more steps off route and quickly kick some snow over your patch. Then again a few more steps on the way to Sneachda makes the approach about twice as long
*to be fair, the Gouter Route onto Mont Blanc is covered in everything from puke to piss.
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
Isn't it weird that c. 20-30 years ago, just about everybody, virtually 100 per cent, would step of the path to have a pee - without having to be told? There's a lot of arrogance in the modern world that's not very attractive.
Isn't it weird that c. 20-30 years ago, just about everybody, virtually 100 per cent, would step of the path to have a pee - without having to be told? There's a lot of arrogance in the modern world that's not very attractive.
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In reply to MSchobitz:
It's not the piss on the footpath that bothers me
... it's the shit on the ledges!
It's not the piss on the footpath that bothers me
... it's the shit on the ledges!
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In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
Bollocks, it isn't a new phenomena, in fact if anything people are more discreet about such things. Nothing new in decrying the standards of the modern world either, doesn't seem to get anymore inciteful though!
Bollocks, it isn't a new phenomena, in fact if anything people are more discreet about such things. Nothing new in decrying the standards of the modern world either, doesn't seem to get anymore inciteful though!
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
Thanks for posting this to highlight it to everyone - it really is quite disgusting.
Even if you don't step off the path, please try to kick a little snow over it. You may not think it unpleasant to look at, but clearly some people do. Perhaps cover it up for them? It's not much to ask...
Thanks for posting this to highlight it to everyone - it really is quite disgusting.
Even if you don't step off the path, please try to kick a little snow over it. You may not think it unpleasant to look at, but clearly some people do. Perhaps cover it up for them? It's not much to ask...
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In reply to The New NickB:
No, no, *everything* was much better 20 years ago. And *everyone* knew all about philosophy too.
No, no, *everything* was much better 20 years ago. And *everyone* knew all about philosophy too.
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I blame the MICs!!!, and the schools, and whoever else in this new century has encouraged and convinced every person and child over 3 to take up climbing and head for the hills to bag the biggest grade thing they can for their CV, without them having any real love or even awareness of the mountain environment.
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
I see this as a bit of a non-issue. Its mildly impolite in a world of bigger problems (like litter and shit). Its also inevitable given the number of lemmings on the hills. Someone pissed there so, why shouldnt they?
I see this as a bit of a non-issue. Its mildly impolite in a world of bigger problems (like litter and shit). Its also inevitable given the number of lemmings on the hills. Someone pissed there so, why shouldnt they?
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In reply to Pay Attention:
That actually is disgusting I stepped in that abbing down a summer route once (((((((
> It's not the piss on the footpath that bothers me
> ... it's the shit on the ledges!
That actually is disgusting I stepped in that abbing down a summer route once (((((((
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
Can't bring myself to be bothered about this. If you want to avoid crowds and all the inconveniences and irritations that go with them, don't go to the Northern Corries.
Can't bring myself to be bothered about this. If you want to avoid crowds and all the inconveniences and irritations that go with them, don't go to the Northern Corries.
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In reply to Pay Attention:
While it is, admittedly, easy to step off the path for a piss, it is more problematical stepping off a ledge for a shit. Again, it all comes with the crowds.....
If you have to shit on a ledge, best to try to get a bit away from the anchors and don't superficially cover it up - make it obvious.
> It's not the piss on the footpath that bothers me
> ... it's the shit on the ledges!
While it is, admittedly, easy to step off the path for a piss, it is more problematical stepping off a ledge for a shit. Again, it all comes with the crowds.....
If you have to shit on a ledge, best to try to get a bit away from the anchors and don't superficially cover it up - make it obvious.
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In reply to Robert Durran:
I've never needed to go for a dump on a belay ledge. OK I can see it happening on a really long alpine route but in the UK? Just go in the morning! Or if you must again before you start the route!
I've never needed to go for a dump on a belay ledge. OK I can see it happening on a really long alpine route but in the UK? Just go in the morning! Or if you must again before you start the route!
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In reply to CurlyStevo:
Good for you. Wait till you get old and scared.........
> I've never needed to go for a dump on a belay ledge.
Good for you. Wait till you get old and scared.........
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In reply to CurlyStevo:
I know and have climbed with people who leave home, drive 30 minutes to the crag, then have to go for a shit. Wouldn't it have been easier to go at home before they set out instead of leaving it all over the Peak. Possible the worst places for this are Millstone and Lawrencefield. They also often leave bog paper with their deposit. I have avoided climbing with a couple of these inconsiderate people. Their excuse is that it is good for the vegetation. I am tempted to go shit on their lawn and see what they say, but I have more restraint!
I know and have climbed with people who leave home, drive 30 minutes to the crag, then have to go for a shit. Wouldn't it have been easier to go at home before they set out instead of leaving it all over the Peak. Possible the worst places for this are Millstone and Lawrencefield. They also often leave bog paper with their deposit. I have avoided climbing with a couple of these inconsiderate people. Their excuse is that it is good for the vegetation. I am tempted to go shit on their lawn and see what they say, but I have more restraint!
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In reply to johncook:
One of my friends always did this. We'd joke about it, he would try all the known normal way of encouraging things along on the campsite (breakfast / coffee / ciggy) , but to no avail. One climb in he'd be off in the heather!
One of my friends always did this. We'd joke about it, he would try all the known normal way of encouraging things along on the campsite (breakfast / coffee / ciggy) , but to no avail. One climb in he'd be off in the heather!
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
Perhaps these folk are actually unsung environmental guardians. Surely urinatining on an area of aggregate path with a hardcore base will allow quick dispersal into the subsoil . The alternative suggested, and lauded in the above posts ,would surely have a detrimental effect on the fragile Cairngorm sub-arctic ecosystem.
Maybe, one could argue, the real environmental culprits are those who continuously and remorselessly use the area.
Just saying,like,just saying !
Perhaps these folk are actually unsung environmental guardians. Surely urinatining on an area of aggregate path with a hardcore base will allow quick dispersal into the subsoil . The alternative suggested, and lauded in the above posts ,would surely have a detrimental effect on the fragile Cairngorm sub-arctic ecosystem.
Maybe, one could argue, the real environmental culprits are those who continuously and remorselessly use the area.
Just saying,like,just saying !
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In reply to CurlyStevo:
On several occasions, though a couple of times (funnily enough both on Fiacaill Buttress routes) it simply wasn't practicable to get my harness off and trousers down.
I'm thinking of making my fortune marketing winter climbing nappies; environmentally friendly and no need for all that faff on awkward stances.
> haha were you so scared a little bit of poo came out
On several occasions, though a couple of times (funnily enough both on Fiacaill Buttress routes) it simply wasn't practicable to get my harness off and trousers down.
I'm thinking of making my fortune marketing winter climbing nappies; environmentally friendly and no need for all that faff on awkward stances.
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
Popularity wise the Northern Corries are the winter climbers equivalent of a music festival. Just thank yer lucky stars you're not walking past dozens of discarded pop up tents.
Popularity wise the Northern Corries are the winter climbers equivalent of a music festival. Just thank yer lucky stars you're not walking past dozens of discarded pop up tents.
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In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
"Isn't it weird that c. 20-30 years ago, just about everybody, virtually 100 per cent, would step of the path to have a pee - without having to be told? There's a lot of arrogance in the modern world that's not very attractive."
As a complete aside in Bill Brysons Notes from a big country he write about the dumbing down of facts and figures - we can work out just about everybody would be virtually 100%
I agree though - 20 to 30 years ago it was always sunny, perfect conditions and everyone doffed their hat and said "good morning, no after you, i insist you go first, lets meet for tea later"
*sigh* those were the days.....
(edited to show quote i'm replying to)
"Isn't it weird that c. 20-30 years ago, just about everybody, virtually 100 per cent, would step of the path to have a pee - without having to be told? There's a lot of arrogance in the modern world that's not very attractive."
As a complete aside in Bill Brysons Notes from a big country he write about the dumbing down of facts and figures - we can work out just about everybody would be virtually 100%
I agree though - 20 to 30 years ago it was always sunny, perfect conditions and everyone doffed their hat and said "good morning, no after you, i insist you go first, lets meet for tea later"
*sigh* those were the days.....
(edited to show quote i'm replying to)
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In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
The problem is that the "just about everybody" you refer to, now have 20-30 year older bladders and don't have time to step off the path
> Isn't it weird that c. 20-30 years ago, just about everybody, virtually 100 per cent, would step of the path to have a pee - without having to be told?
The problem is that the "just about everybody" you refer to, now have 20-30 year older bladders and don't have time to step off the path
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In reply to JuanTinco:
I'm thinking it's not hard to see how seeing yellow patches at the foot of a climb can impact on the 'tranquil niceness' of walking into and gearing up for a winter climb in the snow, in the sense that it's not earth shattering, but it'd be kind of thoughtful if people covered up their pee stains with snow or went off the path.
I'm thinking it's not hard to see how seeing yellow patches at the foot of a climb can impact on the 'tranquil niceness' of walking into and gearing up for a winter climb in the snow, in the sense that it's not earth shattering, but it'd be kind of thoughtful if people covered up their pee stains with snow or went off the path.
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In reply to planetmarshall (but not in particular):
Why is it unpleasant or unsightly? That suggests a somewhat prudish attitude to bodily functions.
Shit is a somewhat different matter, since it is a health hazard, and tends to stick around (although not so much when frozen...); urine generally isn't.
I don't think it's good that 50% of the population (assuming you mean females) don't urinate when they need to; it's not good for them to avoid emptying their bladder when the need arises.
I should point out that I don't make a habit of pissing all over the path, as I would usually go off the path for modesty reasons. But I just don't see what the fuss about a bit of coloured liquid is.
ps. are we sure it's human urine...?
http://www.strathcaulaidh.com/reindeer-in-the-caingorms/
> It's unpleasant, unsightly and there's quite a lot of it.
Why is it unpleasant or unsightly? That suggests a somewhat prudish attitude to bodily functions.
Shit is a somewhat different matter, since it is a health hazard, and tends to stick around (although not so much when frozen...); urine generally isn't.
> 50% of the population mysteriously seem to manage without dropping their pants every 5 minutes on the walk in, so it can't be that hard.
I don't think it's good that 50% of the population (assuming you mean females) don't urinate when they need to; it's not good for them to avoid emptying their bladder when the need arises.
I should point out that I don't make a habit of pissing all over the path, as I would usually go off the path for modesty reasons. But I just don't see what the fuss about a bit of coloured liquid is.
ps. are we sure it's human urine...?
http://www.strathcaulaidh.com/reindeer-in-the-caingorms/
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In reply to captain paranoia:
With how we've apparently evolved to find colours which resemble bodily fluids less attractive, because related 'deposits' can have hygiene implications, it could be down to that and not that he's prudish?
Another harmonious day on UKC continues...
With how we've apparently evolved to find colours which resemble bodily fluids less attractive, because related 'deposits' can have hygiene implications, it could be down to that and not that he's prudish?
Another harmonious day on UKC continues...
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In reply to Timmd:
Is that why everyone hates chocolate, and no-one drinks lager...?
p.s. I'm trying to discuss, rather than argue...
Is that why everyone hates chocolate, and no-one drinks lager...?
p.s. I'm trying to discuss, rather than argue...
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In reply to captain paranoia:
I'm thinking that context plays a part too, perhaps? You don't expect to find poo in a chocolate wrapper.
http://news.discovery.com/human/evolution/colors-preferences-evolution-styl...
Here you go, it's based on experience that we learn to find certain colours unappealing.
I'm thinking that context plays a part too, perhaps? You don't expect to find poo in a chocolate wrapper.
http://news.discovery.com/human/evolution/colors-preferences-evolution-styl...
Here you go, it's based on experience that we learn to find certain colours unappealing.
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In reply to captain paranoia:
There's bound to be more in depth articles online but I've porridge to eat and work to do.
There's bound to be more in depth articles online but I've porridge to eat and work to do.
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
I once saw a used bloody tampon right in the middle of the path to Ben Nevis. That was really disgusting. I kicked it to one side.
I agree people should be more considerate.
I once saw a used bloody tampon right in the middle of the path to Ben Nevis. That was really disgusting. I kicked it to one side.
I agree people should be more considerate.
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In reply to The New NickB:
Yes but 20-30 years ago at least if you pissed on the path it came out tinted a nice rose colour.
> Bollocks, it isn't a new phenomena....
Yes but 20-30 years ago at least if you pissed on the path it came out tinted a nice rose colour.
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In reply to captain paranoia:
If not being spectacularly enthusiastic about wading through a flood of human excrement in order to get to a climb makes me prudish, then so be it.
> Why is it unpleasant or unsightly? That suggests a somewhat prudish attitude to bodily functions....But I just don't see what the fuss about a bit of coloured liquid is.
If not being spectacularly enthusiastic about wading through a flood of human excrement in order to get to a climb makes me prudish, then so be it.
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In reply to planetmarshall:
I thought we were talking about urine, not excrement. As I said about, excrement is a different matter.
Likewise, if there's as much urine swilling about as there is in a beer festival urinal, then maybe there's a problem. But I really can't see that is likely...
I thought we were talking about urine, not excrement. As I said about, excrement is a different matter.
Likewise, if there's as much urine swilling about as there is in a beer festival urinal, then maybe there's a problem. But I really can't see that is likely...
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
It never ceases to amaze me how rufty tufty outdoor types can get so upset about a little dirt. There was a thread a few years ago about a frozen turd in Rjukan, neglecting to recognise that a number of routes there climb sewage outfalls.
What next, nappies for the reindeer herd?
It never ceases to amaze me how rufty tufty outdoor types can get so upset about a little dirt. There was a thread a few years ago about a frozen turd in Rjukan, neglecting to recognise that a number of routes there climb sewage outfalls.
What next, nappies for the reindeer herd?
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
Better than taking a dump and crowning it with a tissue paper hat, literally one step off the path - they seem to like doing that a lot in the Alps and at Font and some Spanish crags. Not seen it in the UK though... yet....
Better than taking a dump and crowning it with a tissue paper hat, literally one step off the path - they seem to like doing that a lot in the Alps and at Font and some Spanish crags. Not seen it in the UK though... yet....
In reply to 3leggeddog:
I'm thinking it's not hard to see how seeing yellow patches at the foot of a climb can impact on the 'tranquil niceness' of walking into and gearing up for a winter climb in the snow, in the sense that it's not earth shattering, but it'd be kind of thoughtful if people covered up their pee stains with snow or went off the path.
> It never ceases to amaze me how rufty tufty outdoor types can get so upset about a little dirt. There was a thread a few years ago about a frozen turd in Rjukan, neglecting to recognise that a number of routes there climb sewage outfalls.
> What next, nappies for the reindeer herd?
I'm thinking it's not hard to see how seeing yellow patches at the foot of a climb can impact on the 'tranquil niceness' of walking into and gearing up for a winter climb in the snow, in the sense that it's not earth shattering, but it'd be kind of thoughtful if people covered up their pee stains with snow or went off the path.
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In reply to Robert Durran:
Sorry, I couldn't help myself...
Oh no; I did it again!
Oh, and again...
> If you want to avoid crowds and all the conveniences
Sorry, I couldn't help myself...
Oh no; I did it again!
Oh, and again...
In reply to Jonsanders24:
I liken this to banana skins and orange peel dumped on/beside paths - it spolis the wild and unspoilt nature of the mountains. At its root is surely the 'marking my territory' or 'making people know where I've been' mentality. The same as the desire to leave a footprint in a pristine mud patch (which I have to admit to). For the people that follow however, it is these signs of previous travel that detract from the wild mountain environment.
The solution is simple - take care to leave as little trace of your passing as possible - taking litter home, and urinating/no.2s away from paths (and watercourses of course).
The people attacking Jon Sanders' origonal post are obviously the ones who are leaving these traces for all to see. It doesn't take much common sense to show some respect, but there are always a few that spoil it for the rest.
I liken this to banana skins and orange peel dumped on/beside paths - it spolis the wild and unspoilt nature of the mountains. At its root is surely the 'marking my territory' or 'making people know where I've been' mentality. The same as the desire to leave a footprint in a pristine mud patch (which I have to admit to). For the people that follow however, it is these signs of previous travel that detract from the wild mountain environment.
The solution is simple - take care to leave as little trace of your passing as possible - taking litter home, and urinating/no.2s away from paths (and watercourses of course).
The people attacking Jon Sanders' origonal post are obviously the ones who are leaving these traces for all to see. It doesn't take much common sense to show some respect, but there are always a few that spoil it for the rest.
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
Nah it's fine to wade through piss, orange peel, banana peel, discarded tents and rubbish. Climbing's the thing! Who cares about the environment?
I don't go to the outdoors to be struck by the beauty of it...
Oh wait, I do.
Nah it's fine to wade through piss, orange peel, banana peel, discarded tents and rubbish. Climbing's the thing! Who cares about the environment?
I don't go to the outdoors to be struck by the beauty of it...
Oh wait, I do.
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
How do u know it was pee ......?
When i poured my green tee out on striding edge today it looked
Like pee and i thought of this thread.
So untill u taste it u will never know. Also what about dogs how do u know it wasn't one !
How do u know it was pee ......?
When i poured my green tee out on striding edge today it looked
Like pee and i thought of this thread.
So untill u taste it u will never know. Also what about dogs how do u know it wasn't one !
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In reply to Robert Durran:
Maybe stick a flag in the top ?
> If you have to shit on a ledge, best to try to get a bit away from the anchors and don't superficially cover it up - make it obvious.
Maybe stick a flag in the top ?
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
Isn't this all getting a bit silly?
This is sneachda we are talking about, the busiest corrie in Scotland. Being the busiest means that human being impact will be more visible and this certainly isn't helped by instructors marching their charges in there several times a week.
All that said, sneachda serves a purpose in keeping other corries quiet and tidy.
Isn't this all getting a bit silly?
This is sneachda we are talking about, the busiest corrie in Scotland. Being the busiest means that human being impact will be more visible and this certainly isn't helped by instructors marching their charges in there several times a week.
All that said, sneachda serves a purpose in keeping other corries quiet and tidy.
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In reply to Jamie Hageman:
I can't help feeling some irony (or whatever) here with this posters name
I can't help feeling some irony (or whatever) here with this posters name
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
I was on some nice quiet hills in Perthshire earlier on today, far away from the bustle of the Northern Corries, and the sheep had the nerve to pee on the track. Totally ruined my enjoyment of the pristine wilderness. Could they not go somewhere else?
I was on some nice quiet hills in Perthshire earlier on today, far away from the bustle of the Northern Corries, and the sheep had the nerve to pee on the track. Totally ruined my enjoyment of the pristine wilderness. Could they not go somewhere else?
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
Agree with most of these comments, I was up there today and there is pish at some of the gully exits ...come on even cats and dogs clear up after themselves!
Agree with most of these comments, I was up there today and there is pish at some of the gully exits ...come on even cats and dogs clear up after themselves!
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In reply to Palomino1hills:
Most weekends in winter when I stand wi ma back tae the wind on a Scottish mountain ma pish is atomised and rarely reaches the snaw. A slight miscalculation wi the wind speed and direction can, on the very odd vortexy type occasion result in a lightly seasoned salty type taste tae the lips.
Most weekends in winter when I stand wi ma back tae the wind on a Scottish mountain ma pish is atomised and rarely reaches the snaw. A slight miscalculation wi the wind speed and direction can, on the very odd vortexy type occasion result in a lightly seasoned salty type taste tae the lips.
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
All those clumps of stinging nettles along country paths and the outskirts of villages wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the nitrates, thanks to a century of two of working men stopping for a tinkle on their way home from the pub.
All those clumps of stinging nettles along country paths and the outskirts of villages wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the nitrates, thanks to a century of two of working men stopping for a tinkle on their way home from the pub.
In reply to Jonsanders24:
I once took a piss off the Cioch. I was trying to emulate Highlander with my special sword.
I once took a piss off the Cioch. I was trying to emulate Highlander with my special sword.
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In reply to kwaidy:
I'd rather the P than the green tea!
> How do u know it was pee ......?
> When i poured my green tee out on striding edge today it looked
> Like pee and i thought of this thread.
> So untill u taste it u will never know. Also what about dogs how do u know it wasn't one !
I'd rather the P than the green tea!
In reply to Jonsanders24:
I gladly used the pee stains to navigate back to the car park from Sneachda in a white-out a few years ago.
> Today whilst walking into Sneachda I noticed dozens of places were people have just pee'd all over the path. Its really umpleasant for others walking in.
I gladly used the pee stains to navigate back to the car park from Sneachda in a white-out a few years ago.
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
this thread reminds of the ice climbs near nevis range top station in the forest, that were in the days of old allegedly a little contaminated from toilet run off. I never smelt anything or climbed golden ice, but it's sound plausible.
this thread reminds of the ice climbs near nevis range top station in the forest, that were in the days of old allegedly a little contaminated from toilet run off. I never smelt anything or climbed golden ice, but it's sound plausible.
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In reply to Jamie Hageman:
what with sheep, badger, fox, deer; piss and shit everywhere?
bloody animals using nature like a fooking toilet!!
> I liken this to banana skins and orange peel dumped on/beside paths - it spolis the wild and unspoilt nature of the mountains.
what with sheep, badger, fox, deer; piss and shit everywhere?
bloody animals using nature like a fooking toilet!!
In reply to Jonsanders24:
I understand the sentiment, but how are people supposed to see where you've signed your name in the snow if you don't put it in a prominent place?
I understand the sentiment, but how are people supposed to see where you've signed your name in the snow if you don't put it in a prominent place?
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In reply to Removed UserBwox:
Oh, I really like that. Just as well they knew where they were going! I can just see the route in Trail magazine... Navigation- how tricky is this route to follow? Would they give it 1,2,3,4, or 5 dots? Perhaps a 1 dot being " clear, well-marked paths..." . And for route Technicality I think 5 dots, " hands required for at least one move". Of course there is a "clear" answer to all this, drink more and eradicate the yellow!
Oh, I really like that. Just as well they knew where they were going! I can just see the route in Trail magazine... Navigation- how tricky is this route to follow? Would they give it 1,2,3,4, or 5 dots? Perhaps a 1 dot being " clear, well-marked paths..." . And for route Technicality I think 5 dots, " hands required for at least one move". Of course there is a "clear" answer to all this, drink more and eradicate the yellow!
> I gladly used the pee stains to navigate back to the car park from Sneachda in a white-out a few years ago.
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
Oddly enough, I was reminded of this thread yesterday when I was flicking through the channels & came across this....
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047685/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Oddly enough, I was reminded of this thread yesterday when I was flicking through the channels & came across this....
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047685/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
In reply to Jonsanders24:
Couldn't you use the yellow snow to practice micro navigation with your students?
Couldn't you use the yellow snow to practice micro navigation with your students?
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In reply to Jonsanders24:
"Stop pissing on the footpath" - wasn't this Petula Clark's sequel to her hit "Don't sleep in the subway"?
"Stop pissing on the footpath" - wasn't this Petula Clark's sequel to her hit "Don't sleep in the subway"?
In reply to Jonsanders24:
perhaps it is a kind of human "scent marking" psychology? I'm always surprised just how little distance some people choose to place themselves from companions eating or drinking when they empty themselves. I suppose it might be showmanship, lack of consideration or sheer urgency? The latter could be caused by trying to keep up with someone too fast so not stopping before it gets too close to the line and a urinary emergency is declared.
perhaps it is a kind of human "scent marking" psychology? I'm always surprised just how little distance some people choose to place themselves from companions eating or drinking when they empty themselves. I suppose it might be showmanship, lack of consideration or sheer urgency? The latter could be caused by trying to keep up with someone too fast so not stopping before it gets too close to the line and a urinary emergency is declared.
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