In reply to Ian Parsons:
Apologies, yep, i misunderstood! Thanks for pointing that out
I suppose pinkpoint term was coined, as pre clipped bolts left in after working the route and before finally making a complete go to the top ascent, is easier than stripping and reclipping on a fresh successful to the top lead attempt (redpoint).
So redpoint is nowadays what pinkpoint was, but you could do the hard mans redpoint version if u still prefer!
Reposting my comment below with corrections...
Definitely purist and each to their own. Obviously makes it harder, would require more endurance, ... In the vid of ondra on the onsight 9a / 8c+ he's on the route for just over 10mins. If you add potentially another minute or 2 at that grade, to place the draws on route, it could become even more than 1 grade harder.
I currently struggle with 2.5 to 3mins of being on an indoor 6c.
Having watched alot of the sharma, megos, ondra etc ascents of 9's, especially sharma, they can be seen high up to miss out clipping 1 or 2 adjacent bolts so as to get through the crux to an easier clip? Did they cheat / make it easier / need to downgrade their ascent?
Can u imagine actually placing those draws on a lead attempt if the current cream need to miss a few clips to bag it! Future climbers may have a go at this harder style, but as there would be harder top routes to climb, it wouldn't seem like there wasn't a better? challenge available
Its personal, make it harder if u want, but the accepted minimum standard has seemed to be stable for ages that for you can work, place drawers, leave draws in, then lead a sport route to claim redpoint ... If someone (hard-original-style-) redpoints a 9b, at that level it would be newsworthy, more wow power! it was harder than the first ascent, but that would be like trying to outdo the first asentionist, if that had been a (pinkpoint style) of redpoint! ,.. Why though if you could just find a harder route to try? Personal choice, make a note in your ticklist, do it for your own fun or whatever, doesn't matter much but to you.
Hope this confuses no-one, and confirms im no longer confused..
Post edited at 13:46