In reply to Shani:
> It is patriotic duty to contest the madness of Brexit before it is actually implemented.
But maybe not with this "glass half empty" style of rant
> As I understand it, Brexiteers voted for 'taking back control of immigration' yet what we are heading towards is exemptions for The City (passports), and doctors (until such time as we have persuaded hundreds more people to study medicine whilst getting in to massive debt, to work in a high pressure job that involves long hours).
Why wouldn't we have a transitional arrangement? It makes obvious sense. ANd looking further into the future, medicine as a discipline is oversubscribed by an overwhelming proportion. These figures are a couple of years old but paint the picture: "University of Bristol had 4,000 applicants for its three medicine and surgery courses this year but just 232 places – enough for just one in 17. The University of Birmingham had 2,500 applicants but could accept only 334 undergraduates." The problem is quotas but the solution is obvious. There is no shortage of willing and able candidates, especially now that the BMA is finally realising that 3 A*s in STEM subjects doesn't always guarantee the best bedside manner.
> Meanwhile London and Dublin are struggling to see how to manage the border in NI - according to The Conversation, they've entertained the idea of Ireland actually running our immigration controls through NI - so hardly taking back control. And the SNP are jostling for a further referendum.
Eire is not in Schengen. And no one is struggling. It's a problem that needs a solution. So we'll iron one out for goodness sakes.
> As for Europe, it looks like we will be paying through the nose to get access to the single market and subsidising large employers like Nissan for any administrative overheads.
If we do pay for access to the market it won't be appreciably different to the fees paid previously. What's the big deal? It's peanuts next to GDP. I'm happy for us to pay it as I'd like us to stay in the single market and if the wider deal satisfies people's fears on migration, so much the better. Meanwhile you really can't read anything into Nissan's meeting with the PM other than that Mr Ghosn has better insight into the negotations than you or me and he looked pretty happy with what he saw.
> In energy we are paying the French via the Chinese to build a nuclear powerstation that will cost double the current kw/h should it ever get built - and with the costs increasing due to a weakened sterling, who knows...
What's this go to do with Brexit and had you considered the advantages of the transaction being GBP-demoninated with prices set at the 2012 level for 35 years?
> Whilst on the front line, our next-gen nuclear submarines are using American engines and missile systems, French steel and sonar technology, and further technologies from Italy. All servicing and repairs of these parts will NOT be done in the UK. This shit is only going to get MORE expensive outside of the EU and guess who picks up the tab?
Well, we already pick up the tab don't we? The subs don't come free as a perk of EU membership. And do you imagine our subs simply shuttle from one international service bay to another all the time? Not very stealthy wouldn't you say? Or perhaps we have the wit to perform some of the maintenance ourselves, you know like in secret?
> Brexit has opened a can of whoop-ass on ourselves, but let's pretend that the Bremoaners are responsible for talking the UK down. Make Britain Great again......meh....
> Hopefully Summo, Big Ger and Neilh will sort it out all.
But at least they are seeing past the problem. The problem with all this Bremoaning isn't that people shouldn't raise the issues, it's the complete refusal to engage with the reasons why people voted as they did, to explore what opportunities might arise from it, and to display the pragmatism that sees both sides adopting negotiating stances in order to arrive at a middle ground. Surely you've noticed that, right across the world of business, exceptionally experienced and well-informed decision makers are exhibiting anything but panic, except where, in the case of the City or Nissan, it suits their agenda to stir up fear as a form of lobbying. The consensus is that a deal will be done.