/ Lakeland conditions? Climbers with time 15-20 Jan?

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AHS on 09 Jan 2017
I have a week free to climb!
I'll be based in Kendal (and will have winter gear with me plus car) from 15-20 Jan.
I currently have no one to climb with- anyone available?

I climb WI 5/6, mixed climbing experience is all alpine stuff in Norway up to Norwegian Grade 4/5. I've not climbed winter stuff in the UK. (Point of the planned trip!)

Very happy to crag elsewhere trad/sport. Just want to get the most out of a week's trip.

What are lakeland conditions like currently?
Mountain Llama on 09 Jan 2017
In reply to AHS:

Hi

Current conditions and pics here http://www.lakedistrictweatherline.co.uk

Hopefully the weather will bring some snow later this week?

Fingers X

Davey
mrphilipoldham - on 09 Jan 2017
In reply to AHS:

There aren't any! Though this is likely to change over the coming week, thankfully.

I'll have some free time, though will be travelling up from Manchester and staying locally.. would be happy to meet up and see what's looking good nearer the time!
AHS on 09 Jan 2017
In reply to mrphilipoldham:

Great to hear. Im driving up on Saturday. I'll be in touch over the weekend.

Here's hoping this cold front is a big one!

Alistair
LakesWinter on 09 Jan 2017
In reply to AHS:

It'll take a bit of time to freeze the ground and bring the mixed conditions in, though maybe not that long. If the turf isn't frozen then no climbing sadly. That said, Sharp Edge on Blencathra gives a nice winter mountaineering excursion that just needs a cover of snow and that will likely be in from Friday onwards.
CurlyStevo - on 09 Jan 2017
In reply to AHS:
Seeing as the cold weather is coming with snow and not until the 11th its unlikely that any / many routes in the lakes are going to be in acceptable condition at the start of your trip as the ground is pretty warm just now and probably fairly saturated. There are a few routes which are completely on rock and come in fast (pinnacle ridge on st sunday crag is a popular lower grade choice). Towards the end of your trip its just about possible some of the harder mixed routes will be in condition as they tend to come in faster.

The issue is most lakes routes are either in gullies (which normally take quite a long time to come in to nick) or rely on turf (where is a limited resource and is easily damaged if unfrozen and can also harm rare flora).

Scotland has been a bit colder and there is more mixed climbing on rock so will come in to condition faster in some areas. The Aviemore area tends to be a popular early season choice.

The lakes is an extremely fickle place for outdoor climbing in the winter. It rains a lot and good winter conditions are quite rare. Some seasons it doesn't happen at all really, bar the odd climb that is ok with a dusting of snow.
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Kong Adventure - on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to AHS:

At present, it isn't in. We have a dusting on the northern fells, but nothing to write home about and certainly nothing to climb on! If you do want to do some winter climbing while you're here, we have an indoor ice wall here in keswick. We're open until ten weekdays, so you can get out on the hill in the day and on the ice in the evening. Further details are here. http://www.kongadventure.com/products/activities-and-courses/indoor-activities-and-courses/ice-wall/
richlan - on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to AHS:
This is the Raise webcam:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/raise_up_dated_pics/32264290255/

And the Lakes weatherline:

http://www.lakedistrictweatherline.co.uk/

The fell top assessors generally make a very good call on if the gullies/faces are in as they are up there every day and are climbers.
Post edited at 12:16
Dave Cumberland - on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to AHS:
> What are lakeland conditions like currently?

Dusting of snow/hail. A bit windy and damp.
Nothing frozen and a mixed forecast:
http://www.mwis.org.uk/pdf/weather-forecasts/LD-MWI-WM11072_2017-01-12_123827_2880000.pdf
A week of hard frosts still required as a minimum.
In the meantime, there is the wall, and classic rock ridges which will be a bit cool on the fingers.
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JDC - on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to AHS:

More snow showers this afternoon but not a huge amount of snow. Temps low though and hopeful something comes in by the weekend and it's been well below freezing on the tops for a couple of days now and strong winds which will help.

Maybe more blind optimism than reality, but hoping to head out on Saturday for a look!

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CurlyStevo - on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to James Coulson:
Based on the nearest weather station at roughly the same height as the climbing in the lakes (and probably colder as further from the sea) its only been below freezing for a touch over 24 hours.

http://www.weathercast.co.uk/world-weather/weather-stations/obsid/3227.html

You may find that the wind scoured slopes that have little snow on freeze up quite fast, but anything in lee of the wind with snow build up is going to take a long time to freeze probably.
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JDC - on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to CurlyStevo:

Today's report:

"A close look at the gullies on Brown Cove Crags revealed some ice beginning to form, but the turf at surface level is not yet fully frozen. There is currently insufficient snow filling these gullies either, so nothing is yet climbable - but hopefully it won't take long now!"

Hopefully another 36 hrs + of well sub zero temps and northerly winds should do the business
3leggeddog on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to AHS:

It is cold here with some snow cover. Further snow and cold forecast. It could give some climbing this weekend, most likely on the routes people have tantrums about.

I am going to Scotland, otherwise I would have a look.
Rog Wilko on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to AHS:

As others have intimated, you shouldn't get your hopes up too much. The problem which be-devils Lakes winter climbing more than any other is the infrequency of spells of cold weather lasting more than a few days. There is often very little chance for freeze-thaw to consolidate snow and/or the formation of neve or decent ice. It is all too common to get quite big falls of snow which make for great scenery but poor climbing conditions even if it hangs around for a bit. Looking at the synoptic charts it seems that the northerlies will be short-lived and replaced by more westerly (warmer) conditions. Sorry. Hope I'm wrong.
http://www.mwis.org.uk/synoptic-charts
MFB - on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to Dave Cumberland:

It's blowing on though and not completely smothered in snow, just got off bike and its hovering just above zero on valley floor, think turf might cool down quite quickly, Bowfell butress maybe?
JDC - on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to 3leggeddog:
In my ignorance, which are the routes that cause tantrums? So we can avoid controversy! Guessing some of the red tarn stuff with the rare fauna?
3leggeddog on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to James Coulson:

They take a little longer to come in, I was referring to the snowed up rock routes.

There, that's the blue touch paper lit, where did I leave my tin hat?
Lostsky on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to James Coulson:

James
Re avoiding tantrums there is some good guidance here with annotated topos
https://www.thebmc.co.uk/lake-district-winter-conditions-guide
MFB - on 12 Jan 2017
In reply to AHS:

Just been walking up to about 200m in Langdale, cold and windy but not frozen.
crabtreer - on 13 Jan 2017
Anyone know if the Swirls car park is open again ?
wercat on 13 Jan 2017
In reply to crabtreer:

After last last winter's flood damage, yes it reopened and the diverted footpath is no longer necessary. If there has been another closure since early December I don't know about it.
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richlan - on 13 Jan 2017
In reply to crabtreer:

Its open, it's also free parking at the moment, or was free 4 weeks back.

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