This thread was started in the CRAG ACCESS forum and has now been moved.
Please could you try and post in the correct forum, it makes life easier for both users and moderators.
ROCKTALKA general forum for topics relating to climbing. This is the place to debate things like specific routes, ethics, grading, styles of ascent, top roping, headpointing, bouldering, bolts, the latest news and anything else that you have an opinion on. The only caveat is that the topic shouldn't be too trivial, keep the really light-hearted climbing stuff in the Pub.
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