In reply to planetmarshall: Yesterday I found some ice just a few kms across the plateau from the downfall - more northerly aspect too. But it was too soft to take body weight - https://twitter.com/TobyinHelsinki/status/820733689885818881 I'm not used to ice that you can actually drag your pick through and leave a line! In Finland I guess once it was cold enough to start to freeze it froze without being slushy at all so even a cm was enough to climb as long as you were brave enough! I saw some one had recorded the downfall in the the logbooks, but it seemed a bit unlikely after what I had seen.