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The high tech war on Science!

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 Offwidth 01 Feb 2017
Almost missed this. An amazing story ... really odd that its not more widely known.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/feb/01/high-tech-war-on-science
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 pog100 01 Feb 2017
In reply to Offwidth:

You are right, very interesting. After a lifetime in biological science research this chimes with me. I think there is a general move towards more open methods of publishing in the biological sciences and it has been the case in the physical sciences for quite a long time, I think.
 Doug 01 Feb 2017
In reply to Offwidth:
There have been a few articles in Nature but I guess that's a bit specialist. Seems to be particularly a problem in the social sciences, at least so far. I'm also a bit concerned that simplistic software doesn't seem to distinguish between errors & deliberate fraud.

But for an earlier example from biology, see the Heslop Harrison affair as described in Karl Sabbagh's 'A Rum Affair: A True Story of Botanical Fraud' (probably out of print but large sections readable on Google Books while an article in New Scientist gives an overview https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16321985-300-rums-the-word/)
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Removed User 01 Feb 2017
In reply to Offwidth:

Having your research Statchecked and passed could also give your research extra clout like a stamp of approval.
 Rob Parsons 01 Feb 2017
In reply to Offwidth:

It's not a 'high tech war on Science!' - as your subject has it - it's a 'high tech war on Science *fraud*.' Big difference.
OP Offwidth 01 Feb 2017
In reply to Rob Parsons:

See the url....
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 mbh 01 Feb 2017
In reply to Offwidth:

No, see the article, not the url. As I am sure you know, since you must have read it, it is about a high-tech (by which they mean, I think, statistical, involving "big data") approach to tackling science fraud, not science itself.

 spenser 01 Feb 2017
In reply to Offwidth:

An interesting article popped up on my facebook feed this morning on a similar subject:
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/john-arnold-waging-war-on-bad-science/
OP Offwidth 02 Feb 2017
In reply to mbh:

The explanation mark was a cryptic pointer as the url amused me given the topic. Being an academic I didn't post an article about academic fraud without realising it was about academic fraud.
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OP Offwidth 02 Feb 2017
In reply to spenser:
Cheers. Not seen that article either. Was aware of the Arnolds. http://www.arnoldfoundation.org

To help the humourless disliker above, here is a link that reportedly shows the total of Science that is bad (after tax and other deductions.) !?

http://www.badscience.net
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 mbh 03 Feb 2017
In reply to Offwidth:

...which wasn't me, btw.

The topic is fascinating. I've barely scratched the surface, but through reading about it I have come to understand ( I think) where the Bayesian approach is coming from, and how Ioannidis (he of the paper "Why most published research findings are false" that is mentioned in the Arnold article) arrives at his conclusion.

One thing i like about it all is that, loosely that approach can be couched as "odds that my theory is right, having done my experiment" (posterior odds) = "impact that my experiment has made on those odds" x "odds that it was right before the experiment" (prior odds). Ioannidis claims, and tries to show, if I understand him correctly, that the posterior odds of most of the published research findings that he included in his study were less than one, which means that the findings were more likely wrong than right, due to a combination of poor prior odds - this is the subjective bit - but is what you get in fields without a well established canon of results, and poor experimental design (often due to sample sizes being too small, given the effect size) such that the experiments didn't do enough to transform those prior odds into posterior odds that you would want to bet on.

Using this idea, we are led to the notion that extraordinary claims (really shaky prior odds) require extraordinary evidence (an astonishingly sound experiment) if the claim is to have legs. Do astrologists know this?

Regina Nuzzo has written accessibly on this topic in many news articles in Nature.
OP Offwidth 03 Feb 2017
In reply to mbh:

Unsuprising if you think about it. Big claims need careful proof.

There is another big issue in science at the 'hard' end... not fraud but much theory seems to me to be drifing so far from testability it is more akin to metaphysics than physics... and in a similar vein undergrads are way too ignorant of Popper and see what is the best testable theory as truth... maybe for another thread though. The cause I think is similar....a lack of proper peer anaylsis and criticism within what is a huge business trying to look after itself. From a historical perspective, too often the research that impresses most seems to be incompatible with science politics of the time or science funding metric systems (like the modern REF).

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