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Erm am I alone in thinking this white paper thats due to be published tomorrow is a little late given the vote on the Brexit bill is tonight?

Isn't that like only reading a contract after signing it?

In reply to balmybaldwin:

Yes, it is.

In reply to balmybaldwin:

I'm guessing there's no cooling off period?

In reply to balmybaldwin:

Indeed it is. Not that it would have made any difference: our MPs are scared of us - especially the "leave" half of us - probably because we've given them good reason to be. I would be very interested to see a comparison of how they all voted in the referendum and how they just voted on Article 50.

In reply to Wicamoi:


I believe the remainer MPs voted for , but holding their noses as they did so.
(Maybe they did not like the smell of their leaver constituents. )

In reply to balmybaldwin:
what would you do if you were an mp who'd voted remain, your constiuency had voted remain? Not an easy question for a representative democracy

But not so bad as if you'd voted remain and your constiuency had narrowly voted leave.

In reply to wbo:


That is an easy one, you vote remain, as it is your personal view and the will of the people you represent.

In reply to balmybaldwin:


A bit, although there is a chance for amendments to the bill and a final vote (after the white paper comes out). Labour's amendments are extremely sensible and I really hope they get incorporated, but chances are the tory's will just bulldoze it through 'as is' without a meaningful vote on the brexit deal in parliament at the end of the negotiations. Which seems highly unfair and undemocratic.

In reply to wbo:


My MP voted against, contrary to the three-line whip imposed upon him but entirely in line with the sentiment of the sizable majority of his constituents.

In reply to Martin W:


Good on him.

My MP voted with the government, bespite being a Remainer and despite his constituency voting remain as well. I guess he knows which side his bread is buttered.

NIEL CARMICHAEL (Con). Shame on you for voting against your conscience and the will of your constituents. I hope it bites you in the arse in 2020 (or before).

In reply to Martin W:

Also, good on Ken Clarke for being the only Tory to have a pair!

In reply to Hugh J:


Indeed. He has consistently impressed me ever since he won the seat (much to just about everyone's surprise) in 2010. Unfortunately the party he represents is a car-crash - and I wouldn't put it past them to find a way to get rid of him ASAP.

In reply to Martin W:

Ian Murray?

He does seem decent, and certainly isn't afraid of speaking out - so, yeah, that must make him one of the more likely targets for purging!

In reply to Martin W:

Labour presumably? If they decide to punish MPs who defied the whip I'd say they were shooting themselves through the other foot and then both hands.

In reply to Martin W:


No, he's simply too senior. He's second in line to being Father of the House, just behind Kaufman.

In reply to pasbury:


Appartently 3 Labour Whips voted against the bill also!

In reply to Hugh J:

Dianne Abbot was unwell ... hope she feels better soon

In reply to Bjartur i Sumarhus:


A newly discovered strain of flu - Brexit flu

In reply to Hugh J:

Shame also on my MP (once again!) on Jeremy HUNT (Con) for also voting against his constituency

In reply to balmybaldwin:

Is this the white paper that says we've always been a souvereign power?

Cheers

Toby

In reply to Toby_W:




You spell it "souvenir"

In reply to Gordon Stainforth:


Eh? My MP is a fresh-faced lad in only his second term. Second in line for FotH is the Beast of Bolsover! Either you're mistaken in who you think I mean, or you've completely misunderstood my post - or possibly both...

In reply to Martin W:


I did indeed. When you said 'Good on him' (in answer to Hugh J), I thought you were referring to his comment - directly above - 'Good on Ken Clarke'.

In reply to Hugh J:

On of which was my MP, Jeff Smith. I hadn't been that impressed but this has put him up in my estimation.

In reply to galpinos:

Regardless of their vote at least most did air their view. Those that didn't attend or vote should be removed from office. There is simply no excuse for not attending the arguably most important parliamentary process for decades.

In reply to skog:




I'm another constituent of Ian Murray and fully agree with the positive comments about him since his unexpected election in 2010. However, I fear that Momentum won't need to target him, David Cameron has already done that for them:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37704568

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/labour-s-only-seat-to-v...

In reply to Gordon Stainforth:


Ah, OK, that makes sense. I was worried for a minute that one of the most sensible people on UKC had started to lose his marbles!