In reply to caff:
> 'Ben and Jerry' would have appeared as pretty useless on many of the climbing mediums Dawes excelled at and I put Hazel in a similar genre of climber. I'm pretty sure some of the climbers who flashed mind control would struggle on what Hazel excels at so I wouldn't use it as a 'measure' of achievement.
That may be true but your point doesn't mean much other than 'Dawes/Hazel were or are good at technical bold climbs and Ben/Jerry are or were good at power and power endurance climbs'. Certainly Dawes or Hazel would struggle on all of Ben/Jerry's hardest first ascents, if you want to start making comparisons.
Neither style is inherently any more 'worthy' or 'real' than the other. And, as you know, pure power endurance at the top end of the grades is a very hard style to master if it's not your forte. Some climbs you just can't tech your way around
Post edited at 12:47