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Can someone who has climbed it recently confirm whether or not there is an abseil bolt on the top? I 'd heard that one had been, or is to be installed, or is this a myth?
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In reply to Trangia:
I saw Corny carrying a red and white box up sty head last week, but he told me he was installing railings at the top of piers ghyll to stop people falling in it.
I saw Corny carrying a red and white box up sty head last week, but he told me he was installing railings at the top of piers ghyll to stop people falling in it.
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In reply to Trangia:
It was definitely there when I did it in 1998. A lovely Petzl with a ring. I can't think how anyone used to belay at the top and get off before the bolt appeared...
It was definitely there when I did it in 1998. A lovely Petzl with a ring. I can't think how anyone used to belay at the top and get off before the bolt appeared...
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In reply to Trangia:
Well as a Yorkshire lass I will reply in a literal fashion and confirm that there certainly was no bolt 2 and 5 years ago when I climbed it. Final moves very polished too!
Well as a Yorkshire lass I will reply in a literal fashion and confirm that there certainly was no bolt 2 and 5 years ago when I climbed it. Final moves very polished too!
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In reply to coldfell:
Good pic here, showing how safe it is with both conventional and modern gear:
https://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.php?id=259055
Good pic here, showing how safe it is with both conventional and modern gear:
https://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.php?id=259055
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In reply to Trangia:
Is it worth considering via Ferrara type steps down the back where they wouldn't get seen?
Is it worth considering via Ferrara type steps down the back where they wouldn't get seen?
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In reply to Dorchester:
This is not the 1st April - and was ok three years ago.
If you need a bolt or something like that to get down from the top then you should not be up there in the first place.
Not being elitist - it is safe for a trad rock climb.
This is not the 1st April - and was ok three years ago.
If you need a bolt or something like that to get down from the top then you should not be up there in the first place.
Not being elitist - it is safe for a trad rock climb.
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In reply to Trangia:
Hi
Yes there is one in.we placed it about 6 weeks ago and run a zip line for an outdoor group which was great fun. We have not removed it yet though. I am going to remove it sunday. Unless there is a consensus for me to leave it in.
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Yes there is one in.we placed it about 6 weeks ago and run a zip line for an outdoor group which was great fun. We have not removed it yet though. I am going to remove it sunday. Unless there is a consensus for me to leave it in.
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In reply to Trangia:
Excellent - I am taking a large group there over the Easter Bank Holiday and we can do some toproping!
Excellent - I am taking a large group there over the Easter Bank Holiday and we can do some toproping!
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In reply to Trangia:
(Assuming this is just a sick joke, but ...) if anyone were to vandalise Napes Needle in this way, it would be the most shocking example in the entire history of our sport. The first ascent of Napes Needle in 1886 by Haskett Smith, in a very 'modern' way – solo, on sight, is usually taken to mark the beginning of rock climbing as a sport in our country. If anyone were to deface the Needle, it would simply mean that they've gone back to 1885 and are not yet as competent as Haskett Smith. In other words, that they are Victorian bumblies who don't understand the 'new', modern sport of rock climbing.
(Assuming this is just a sick joke, but ...) if anyone were to vandalise Napes Needle in this way, it would be the most shocking example in the entire history of our sport. The first ascent of Napes Needle in 1886 by Haskett Smith, in a very 'modern' way – solo, on sight, is usually taken to mark the beginning of rock climbing as a sport in our country. If anyone were to deface the Needle, it would simply mean that they've gone back to 1885 and are not yet as competent as Haskett Smith. In other words, that they are Victorian bumblies who don't understand the 'new', modern sport of rock climbing.
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In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
And if anybody did dare to put a bolt in the top ...would there be complaints on here about it being in a loose block?
Rocks in the wind apparently, wonder how long before it drops off?
> (Assuming this is just a sick joke, but ...) if anyone were to vandalise Napes Needle in this way, it would be the most shocking example in the entire history of our sport. The first ascent of Napes Needle in 1886 by Haskett Smith, in a very 'modern' way – solo, on sight, is usually taken to mark the beginning of rock climbing as a sport in our country. If anyone were to deface the Needle, it would simply mean that they've gone back to 1885 and are not yet as competent as Haskett Smith. In other words, that they are Victorian bumblies who don't understand the 'new', modern sport of rock climbing.
And if anybody did dare to put a bolt in the top ...would there be complaints on here about it being in a loose block?
Rocks in the wind apparently, wonder how long before it drops off?
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In reply to Rick Graham:
It would have to be a hell of a strong wind. My memory is that when you get to the top and move back to set up a belay, the whole top block rocks backwards v slightly. A somewhat alarming moment, but all part of the fun. Sorry: I should have headed this 'spoiler alert'.
> And if anybody did dare to put a bolt in the top ...would there be complaints on here about it being in a loose block?Rocks in the wind apparently, wonder how long before it drops off?
It would have to be a hell of a strong wind. My memory is that when you get to the top and move back to set up a belay, the whole top block rocks backwards v slightly. A somewhat alarming moment, but all part of the fun. Sorry: I should have headed this 'spoiler alert'.
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In reply to Trangia:
I heard it was bolted by the BMC exec as part of a plan to turn Wasdale into an Olympic venue?
I heard it was bolted by the BMC exec as part of a plan to turn Wasdale into an Olympic venue?
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In reply to Rick Graham:
25 Years ago as leader of Wasdale MRT I suggested that had The Needle and Broad Stand been in the Alps they would certainly have had Bolts or similar safety devices inserted. A former Chairman of MREW,wrongly informed a number of people that I intended to do so.This couldnt be further from the truth ,despite having attended many fatalities at both sites I still believe they should be left as they( I hope) are .As a lad of 17 I soloed The Needle in nailed boots some 66 years ago and as some one stated ,if you cant climb it and get down safely without recourse to bolts then dont do it or wait till you are good enough.
25 Years ago as leader of Wasdale MRT I suggested that had The Needle and Broad Stand been in the Alps they would certainly have had Bolts or similar safety devices inserted. A former Chairman of MREW,wrongly informed a number of people that I intended to do so.This couldnt be further from the truth ,despite having attended many fatalities at both sites I still believe they should be left as they( I hope) are .As a lad of 17 I soloed The Needle in nailed boots some 66 years ago and as some one stated ,if you cant climb it and get down safely without recourse to bolts then dont do it or wait till you are good enough.
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In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
Agreed. And no, it's neither a sick joke, nor an April Fools joke.
I merely asked the question to confirm or otherwise a rumour I had heard. Unfortunately all I get are sick answers (with one or two exceptions) but it seems that, thankfully the rumour is untrue.
Agreed. And no, it's neither a sick joke, nor an April Fools joke.
I merely asked the question to confirm or otherwise a rumour I had heard. Unfortunately all I get are sick answers (with one or two exceptions) but it seems that, thankfully the rumour is untrue.
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In reply to Trangia:
According to "Rope Boy" (if I remember correctly) a young Denis Gray and friends plotted to blow up the needle (as a symbol of that elitist organisation, the FRCC) but then got too drunk to do the deed.
According to "Rope Boy" (if I remember correctly) a young Denis Gray and friends plotted to blow up the needle (as a symbol of that elitist organisation, the FRCC) but then got too drunk to do the deed.
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In reply to Duncan Bourne:
>"Actually can't remember. But then again I did solo it so I wasn't looking."
If you'd tripped over it we might have had to re-christen you Air Bourne.
>"Actually can't remember. But then again I did solo it so I wasn't looking."
If you'd tripped over it we might have had to re-christen you Air Bourne.
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In reply to Trangia:
Sick answers, somebody is feeling a tad sensitive today?
> Agreed. And no, it's neither a sick joke, nor an April Fools joke.I merely asked the question to confirm or otherwise a rumour I had heard. Unfortunately all I get are sick answers (with one or two exceptions) but it seems that, thankfully the rumour is untrue.
Sick answers, somebody is feeling a tad sensitive today?
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In reply to Trangia:
http://www.needlesports.com/content/how-to-get-down-off-napes-needle.aspx
(not for your benefit, obviously).
http://www.needlesports.com/content/how-to-get-down-off-napes-needle.aspx
(not for your benefit, obviously).
In reply to Trangia:
When I was up there there someone had cemented in a ten inch rubber dildo. It wasn't fit to belay off as it was too bendy.
Unfortunately with the equipment I had I could only hack it down to a knob.
When I was up there there someone had cemented in a ten inch rubber dildo. It wasn't fit to belay off as it was too bendy.
Unfortunately with the equipment I had I could only hack it down to a knob.
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In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
> (Assuming this is just a sick joke, but ...) i
Gordon, when you say 'sick' joke do you mean in the modern use of the word, I.e good or funny?Post edited at 19:47
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In reply to Trangia:
Can I clip my bag of dog shit to it for now? I'll collect it when I'm next up there.
Can I clip my bag of dog shit to it for now? I'll collect it when I'm next up there.
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In reply to Trangia:
The bolt is actually the last visible remnant of a five foot high wrought iron cross erected by friends of Haskett Smith in 1891. It was removed by a group of four islamic extremists, resident at the time in the greater Manchester area, as a protest against religious symbols appearing in the Lakeland hills, on the 28th of June 1914. Sadly news of this event was somewhat buried by a far more momentous one that day...
The bolt is actually the last visible remnant of a five foot high wrought iron cross erected by friends of Haskett Smith in 1891. It was removed by a group of four islamic extremists, resident at the time in the greater Manchester area, as a protest against religious symbols appearing in the Lakeland hills, on the 28th of June 1914. Sadly news of this event was somewhat buried by a far more momentous one that day...
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In reply to Removed Userclaire14:
No, I meant it literally (i.e. the old sense). Assuming this was fake news, I found it both unfunny and disturbing ... because there probably really are nutters out there who might go and do such a thing.
I see that someone has already 'disliked' me for disliking the idea of a putting a bolt into the top of Napes Needle. Frankly, I think it's about on a par with drilling holes in the monoliths of Stonehenge. But perhaps they'd like to do that too?
> Gordon, when you say 'sick' joke do you mean in the modern use of the word, I.e good or funny?
No, I meant it literally (i.e. the old sense). Assuming this was fake news, I found it both unfunny and disturbing ... because there probably really are nutters out there who might go and do such a thing.
I see that someone has already 'disliked' me for disliking the idea of a putting a bolt into the top of Napes Needle. Frankly, I think it's about on a par with drilling holes in the monoliths of Stonehenge. But perhaps they'd like to do that too?
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In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
I think you may be suffering a sense of humour failure Gordon. Happens to all of us occasionally.
I think you may be suffering a sense of humour failure Gordon. Happens to all of us occasionally.
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In reply to the sheep:
I asked a simple question, but instead of a simple answer all that most people were prepared to reply was attempts at being funny without actually answering the question. I wasn't asking for moralising on the rights or wrongs of bolting here, I merely asked whether the rumour I had heard was true or false? Nice and simple, but beyond the ability of many respondents to cope with, so, yes, I was becoming a bit irritated, but I should have known better. This is UKC!
I asked a simple question, but instead of a simple answer all that most people were prepared to reply was attempts at being funny without actually answering the question. I wasn't asking for moralising on the rights or wrongs of bolting here, I merely asked whether the rumour I had heard was true or false? Nice and simple, but beyond the ability of many respondents to cope with, so, yes, I was becoming a bit irritated, but I should have known better. This is UKC!
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In reply to Trangia:
A nice spiral staircase all the way up and around it might attract a few tourists. Plus a zip wire down into the Wastwater Hotel bar.
A nice spiral staircase all the way up and around it might attract a few tourists. Plus a zip wire down into the Wastwater Hotel bar.
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In reply to Trangia:
Erm......
I should have known better. This is UKC!
Yup!
Edit: FWIW I found most replies pretty (mildly) funny. Be a dull thread otherwise.
> I asked a simple question, but instead of a simple answer all that most people were prepared to reply was attempts at being funny .....
Erm......
I should have known better. This is UKC!
Yup!
Edit: FWIW I found most replies pretty (mildly) funny. Be a dull thread otherwise.
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In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
£10 a go and the money go's to the Lakeland bolt fund, to bolt every route in the district.
£10 a go and the money go's to the Lakeland bolt fund, to bolt every route in the district.
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