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Listening to Any Questions and Michael Hestletine, he asked; if the argument follows that Indy Reff 2 shouldn't take place until after Brexit has been agreed, so that the people of Scotland can decide on their future with some clear vision of what may be ahead (as far as one can do in this life), does this logic not also apply to Brexit, meaning that allowing people to decide on whether to Brexit or not, given any agreements with the EU which may be reached, would also be the wise and sensible thing to do?

If people who voted Brexit don't like to be seen as stupid and unthinking in their vote etc (which is a sentiment I have a large amount of sympathy with), wouldn't a second/final vote on Brexit once any details of an agreement with the EU are known, be a chance for the people to exercise their wisdom, in deciding the future of the country on the world stage (with a step into the unknown being less considered than one where the facts of an agreement with the EU are on the table)?

In reply to Timmd:

Brexit means Brexit!

In reply to Timmd:

Hard to argue with the logic.

In reply to Gone for good:
I entirely respect the will of the people. I also respect the wisdom of the people, and don't entirely feel that a chance to exercise it has been given, or at least, not to a degree that the people of the UK deserve.

At root, that was my problem with the nature of Vote Leave, rather than the fact that Vote Leave existed as a cause at all. We don't all think the same anyway, I think the world is better off because of that.

I've genuinely developed increasing respect for the argument of greater sovereignty since the results last year, so that if that's what people wanted after carefully considering the nature of any agreement with the EU, I'd feel that was a truly democratic decision, with democracy needing a full knowledge of the facts to be at it's best.

Edit: My Dad was in favour of Brexit, and I've complete respect for him and his reasoning still, and I've friends who voted Brexit too. I've no ill will towards Brexit voters.

In reply to Timmd:

It's all very confusing. I'm still trying to work out whether the SNP think that distancing one's country from its nearest neighbour and largest trading partner is a good idea or not.

In reply to Gone for good:

Brexit wasn't clearly defined when people voted by a small margin to leave the EU, and 'the three Brexiteers' in the cabinet (as they are known) can't agree on what Brexit shall mean, too.

I don't have anything more to add, to be fair, I just thought I'd put the thread up as something not already mentioned to do with Brexit.

Regards.

In reply to Timmd:


An interesting idea Timmd.

However as the estimated cost of conducting the EU referendum was £142.4million, that's a lot of money to be playing with.

In reply to Big Ger:

It might also be extremely good value for money.

In reply to EarlyBird:

We could put £142.4million on red at the casino, and it may be good value for our money.

In reply to Big Ger:

Not a good analogy for the scenario described.

In reply to EarlyBird:

You said it may represent good value.

It may not.

Black or red?

In reply to Big Ger:

At the point of the theoretical referendum I would hope that it would be clear where the ball was going to land - but I take your point.

In reply to EarlyBird:

Cheers mate. I take yours too.

In reply to Big Ger:


In context: buttons.
Jk

In reply to Timmd:

>I also respect the wisdom of the people,

What does that mean? Which people? There's lots of people, little wisdom, and there's lots of stupid people.

In reply to jkarran:

I'd rather those buttons went to the NHS.

In reply to Big Ger:


Should keep it going for all of about 12 hours.

In my local in Bratfud the wisdom of the people seems to revolve around keeping out f*cking Pakis. Ergo, they voted out.

The people would also like capital punishment.

The people are c*nts

In reply to Ridge:


Agreed, but hardly the point.

In reply to Nevis-the-cat:


Agreed. We should stop all this democratic society nonsense and aim for benign dictatorship instead.

"One man, one vote" should mean that. I'm happy to be that man.

In reply to Big Ger:


Yeah but no. It's a load of shit, but it's the least worst option.

In reply to Nevis-the-cat:

I wish I was there to see their anger when they realise Brexit won't make a damn bit of difference!