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Replication of America here in the UK?

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 The Ice Doctor 20 May 2017

45, 000 people a year die because they dont get any health care.

The Average Salary is actually around 30,000 USD

Corporate Media tells you 'the right will win'. Everyone believes it, they want to back a winner, so make it come true.

450 BN of taxes in the US by Corporations are dodged. Guess how? They buy the government.

Bring it on Teresa

Incidentally here is a breakdown of the PROPOSALS of our parties- not promises. This is a democracy. IGNORE PERSONALITIES. Look at the proposals, and please DO SHARE THIS with EVERYONE!

TORY

-Elderly people receiving care in their own homes fund the entire cost, less the last 100,000 of assets

-Triple lock replaced by double lock in 2020

-Winter fuel - mean tested

-Income Tax changes, but in 2020

-No freeze on their previous pledge of income tax rates, NI or VAT

-A capital fund for primary schools and nurseries

-A safeguard tariff cap on energy bills

LABOUR

- 45p income tax for 80K salaries, rising to 50p above 123 K

-Scrap Tuition fees

-Fat cat tax on execs with high pay

-Cap Energy bills at £1K

-VAT to private school fees to fund free school meals

-Higher taxes on residential properties held in off shore trusts

-Establish a maximum limit on personal contributions to care costs and an asset threshold below which people are entitled to state support.

LIB DEMS

-1p on income tax

-72K cap on elderly social care costs

-Reverse cuts to capital gains, inheritance tax, Maintain triple lock pensions

-Reinstate Uni grants, keep fees

-Parents of 2 year olds get 15 hours of free childcare.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM . SIMPLE .

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BREXIT will cost us no matter. The EU will financially penalise us for withdrawal.

How much are you earning p.a?
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 Dr.S at work 20 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:
So to summarise - the Tories and Lib dems will increase taxes on everyone.
Labour will target the proportion of society that already pays most.

We need to pay more tax - personally I'd be very happy to pay more when I'm dead.
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In reply to Dr.S at work:

How many more years until then?

l=

Yah..... are you over 65?

Do you have multiple properties?

Do you have off shore investments?

Are you an MD making more than 80K?
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 bouldery bits 21 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:

Errr... Whut?
Gone for good 21 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:

How about £50????
 wintertree 21 May 2017
In reply to bouldery bits:

> Errr... Whut?

If you post a view or points not slavishly aligned to theirs, this OP has a habit of asking you personal questions about your line of work either on the forum or by private message.

They seem to do this instead on engaging with any points made.

Naff.
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 summo 21 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:

The UK will have the public services it pays for. At the moment everyone thinks someone else should fund it more. So they aren't improving. Once people accept that funding a modern high tax hospital that's extend life expectancy by 20 years cost more proportional than in 1950 things will move on. The same in schools, I remember when we thought rolling black boards were flash and then white boards appeared, amazing!
 Dr.S at work 21 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:

No to all of those.

I have however watched both my Gran's go through the end of their lives in the last three years. The cost of good quality end of life care is staggering.

Sadly much of the nursing home care is currently below the standard we would want for our families - we need more money in the system.
 Coel Hellier 21 May 2017
In reply to The Ice Doctor:

> -Elderly people receiving care in their own homes fund the entire cost, less the last 100,000 of assets

Seems sense. The people who will inherit more than £100,000 are the relatively ok, and preserving their inheritance should not be a priority for the public purse.

> -Triple lock replaced by double lock in 2020

Seems sense. Pensioners have done pretty well compared to younger people in the last ten years. Also, pensioners have had all their lives to make provision for their old age, they should not be looking primarily to the state.

> -Winter fuel - mean tested

Seems sense.

> -No freeze on their previous pledge of income tax rates, NI or VAT

Seems sense to retain flexibility to raise more tax if needed.

> - 45p income tax for 80K salaries, rising to 50p above 123 K

I'm not convinced that raising rates like this actually brings in more tax take.

> -Scrap Tuition fees

Bad idea. It just means that the half of the nation who don't go to university pay for the half that do.

> -Cap Energy bills at £1K

So anyone over the cap has no inventive at all to moderate their usage? They can live a large drafty house and not bother getting insulation, and someone else has to pay for it?

> -VAT to private school fees to fund free school meals

People sending kids to private schools are already paying twice, by contributing fully to the state system as well. This seems unfair.

> -Higher taxes on residential properties held in off shore trusts

Yes, agreed.

> -Establish a maximum limit on personal contributions to care costs and an asset threshold below which people are entitled to state support.

Maximums help only the reasonably well off! Why is this a priority for tax support?

> -1p on income tax

Ah yes, the return of the famous 1p on income tax, which then gets spent a zillion different ways!

> -72K cap on elderly social care costs

See above.

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