/ Bosigran (Commando) Ridge - Filming Notice

Mark Kemball - on 12 Jun 2017

As BMC SW area secretary, it has been bought to my attention that there will be filming in the Bosigran Ridge Area 4th - 5th July. Below is the text of the filming notice.

FILMING NOTICE
Friday 9th June, 2017
To whom it may concern,
Betty TV Limited, in conjunction with the National Trust Film Office shall be recording a TV show on
TUESDAY 4TH JULY – WEDNESDAY 5TH JULY, 2017
COMMANDO RIDGE (TR20, nr. Bosigran Farm, Cornwall)
and the surrounding areas.
In the interest of avoiding inconvenience and disappointment, we respectfully request that climbers
avoid this area on these two days, to ensure that filming can proceed without disruption. As I’m sure all
members appreciate, the faster we have completed our operation; the sooner we can vacate the
location and access can resume as normal.
In addition to the above, the Coastal Footpath that passes by the location shall be diverted, so access to
the site shall be further limited.
We hope that by giving advance warning of our operation, we can avoid disruption and inconvenience
for as many climbers and walkers as possible.
Finally, betty TV would like to reassure all stakeholders and climbers that the preservation of the site is
of utmost importance to our operation. Our entire team shall be briefed on the heritage of the location,
its role in the climbing community, and the conservation initiatives in place, care of the National Trust.
If you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact Line Producer, Paul Fletcher on the
contact details below.
Yours sincerely,
Paul Fletcher
Post edited at 10:22
bpmclimb on 14 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

> and the surrounding areas.

That's not very specific. Are they hoping to keep climbers out of distant shots too? What about Main Face?

> and access can resume as normal.

Does the suspension of access have any official (i.e. legal) status, or is it a request? It's not exactly clear which it is from the notice.

Mark Kemball - on 14 Jun 2017
In reply to bpmclimb:

All I know is what is written above. Given the wording "we respectfully request" I doubt it has any legal status...
Oceanrower - on 14 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

Cool. Not been there for a while. Might earn a few quid if they pay me to stay out of shot.

I'm assuming I have as much right to be there as they do...
Oceanrower - on 14 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

p.s. Can we have the "contact details below" please?
Mark Kemball - on 14 Jun 2017
In reply to Oceanrower:

I suspect this notice is to climbers much the same as a red rag to a bull...

The contact details are:

Paul Fletcher
Line Producer,
Tel: +44 (0) 7901 767 218
Email: paul.fletcher@betty.co.uk

And a quick google gives https://www.betty.co.uk/
Michael Hood - on 14 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball: Betty do Bear Grylls programs!!! Commando Ridge needs to be occupied by proper climbers the whole 2 days just in case it's for a BG program and he shows up

David Hillebrandt - on 15 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

I trust they will not be tempted to place any fixed gear.
David Hillebrandt
Mark Kemball - on 15 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

I notice there's 10 dislikes for my original post (there'd be 11 if you were allowed to dislike your own posts) and 1 like. Why would anyone like this?
davidbeynon on 15 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

They probably like the fact that you took the effort to share useful information.

It sometimes is hard to tell whether people think the like/dislike buttons are there to express an opinion about the subject matter or the person posting.
toad - on 15 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

oooh. Betty seem to be the producer of choice for Bear Grylls programmes. Better check the bookings of nearby 5* hotels to see if he's roughing it nearby ;)
davidbeynon on 15 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

We are 11 replies in and nobody has proposed a mass ascent. I consider this negligent.
Tony the Blade on 15 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

Personally I don't see a problem with their request. That's all it is, a request. So what if it's for BG to top rope solo CR ;-)

They have requested a midweek date to have sole use of a climb/crag to film something for the National Trust (I assume), and yet we, the great and the good of climbing, are against such a thing, why? Can't you climb somewhere else for those days, or did you have a plan to actually climb there on those days?
markwynneuk - on 15 Jun 2017
In reply to Tony the Blade:

Totally agree
Rob Parsons on 15 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

> I notice there's 10 dislikes for my original post (there'd be 11 if you were allowed to dislike your own posts) and 1 like. Why would anyone like this?

Seems reasonable to me; as does the original polite request.

I see on https://www.betty.co.uk/programmes/all that they also produce 'Obsessive Compulsive Cleaners.' Maybe it's a crag clean-up day?

Edit: or maybe it's 'Extreme Breastfeeding': https://www.betty.co.uk/programmes/details/extreme-breastfeeding 'Extreme Ironing' eat your heart out!
Post edited at 16:18
bpmclimb on 16 Jun 2017
In reply to Tony the Blade:

> They have requested a midweek date to have sole use of a climb/crag to film something for the National Trust (I assume), and yet we, the great and the good of climbing, are against such a thing, why? Can't you climb somewhere else for those days, or did you have a plan to actually climb there on those days?


On the other hand, it's mid-summer, and it's not just any route - it's one of the most sought-after lower-grade routes in the UK. There's nothing else quite like it, not for hundreds of miles. It doesn't seem implausible to me that people may have plans to climb it exactly then; after all, the film company didn't give a lot of notice, and holiday plans may already have been made.

Yes, of course it's true climbers could climb elsewhere; but equally one could wonder why the filming has to be in such a popular location in the middle of summer.

Also, it's not clear how much of the area is affected - will climbers on Main Face spoil the distant shots, for example. I've Emailed Paul Fletcher asking for clarification.
philhilo - on 17 Jun 2017
In reply to bpmclimb:

Not sure I would go with 'nothing quite like it for hundreds of miles'.
Lands End Long Climb - better quality and less artificial.
Offwidth - on 17 Jun 2017
In reply to philhilo:
You are joking right? Commando Ridge is utterly amazing for the sustained level of protectable interest taking the easiest way up the crest (apart from the tricky finish). Lands End Long Climb is less than half the length and a massive sandbag (scary HS in my view); is quite weaving and all the crux sections are completely avoidable by the easiest line.
Post edited at 10:32
brianjcooper on 17 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:
> As BMC SW area secretary, it has been bought to my attention that there will be filming in the Bosigran Ridge Area 4th - 5th July. Below is the text of the filming notice.

I think it quite arrogant of Betty TV Limited and the National Trust to give such short notice to the general public. Many walkers and climbers may have booked accommodation etc. months ago in order to visit the area. When and where was it widely advertised?

I'm certainly not opposed to the making of a film, and would also have thought Spring, with all the wild flowers, better timing.
Post edited at 13:59
Sean Kelly - on 17 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

Reading between the lines I think that the program is all about extreme challenges for limbless ex-servicemen to tackle. so CR would ideally fit the bill.
John Clinch (Ampthill) - on 18 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

This is a genuine question?

If this is for a documentary then why does the rout need to be free of climbers? If it was an episode of Polldark then I can see that me popping up in bright 21st Century t-shirt being an issue. But surely a documentary about a rock climb could just have err rock climbers in it
Mark Kemball - on 18 Jun 2017
In reply to John Clinch (Ampthill):

I've no idea what they're planning to film...
Lion Bakes on 18 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

In the interest of avoiding inconvenience and disappointment, we respectfully request that film makers
avoid this area on these two days, to ensure that climbing can proceed without disruption. As I’m sure all film makers appreciate, the faster we have completed our climbs; the sooner we can vacate the
location and access can resume as normal.
Chris Harris - on 18 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

Turn up with a film crew & film them filming.
davidbeynon on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to Chris Harris:

But who films the filmer filmers?
kedvenc72 - on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

If ever we need a university club to put a post up saying they are occupying the whole area with top ropes for two days this it it.
toad - on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to davidbeynon:

> But who films the filmer filmers?

The national trust, of course - just to make sure they've squeezed every last drop of licensing and royalties out of everyone possible
danm on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to bpmclimb:

People could use their imagination and climb some of the other superb routes nearby, it's not like Cornwall is short of them. Alternatively, people could defy the wishes of the landowner and needlessly antagonise one of the biggest stakeholders climbers deal with when it comes to access. Perhaps if people thought a bit more before beating their chests it would help....
Mark Kemball - on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

For everyone's information, Bosigran Ridge is on CRoW / Coastal Access land, and as far as I can see, there are no access restricions in place for the period concerned. http://www.openaccess.naturalengland.org.uk/wps/portal/oasys/maps/MapSearch/!ut/p/c5/7ZS9DoJAEIQfaZc...
danm on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

RAD needs an update then, it states that Bosigran and Bosigran Ridge are not on CROW land. Either way, there are plenty of crags which aren't on access land which are owned by the NT, and of course the landowner has the right to restrict access for some parts of the year such as at Bamford. Perhaps they didn't feel the need to go through a formal closure process because they assumed people would be reasonable...
Mark Kemball - on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to danm:

Don't get me started on the BMC website...
Trangia on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

Whilst a first reading the request seems a bit high handed given the short notice, but in reality how many climbers/walkers will actually been inconvenienced by it? Lets start with those who have responded to this thread. Were any of you planning to climb or walk at Bosi on or in the vicinity of Commando Ridge on 4th/5th July?

I tend to agree with philhio that Lands End Long Climb is a better climb. With the exception of the fantastically atmospheric zawn pitch I find Commando Rudge to be generally disappointing and artificial. I much preferred Lands End Long Climb, though I will concede that the "jump" is intimidating - I still can't believe I did it, and I certainly wouldn't now
In reply to Trangia:
We are almost certainly planning to climb at Bosigran on at least one of those days. And W Penwith is not easy to get to from Edinburgh.
Post edited at 18:49
Trangia on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to The Pulsing Motorik of Neu!:

Then I think you have every right to ignore that request given the short notice, as I've already said I consider it high handed, and if I was in your boot/shoes I'd tell them to piss off if they tried to stop us. I remember about 30 years ago when a film crew tried to stop us climbing at Harrisons when they were making an advert. We were happy to keep certain areas free for an hour or so, but not all bloody day! And they gave no notice at all, and got quite belligerent when we said enough was enough, and started climbing again.

Also they didn't want me as their lead man B*stards
knighty - on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to Trangia:

Yep, I'm planning on climbing there on one of these days. While there are plenty of options around the penwith area, not many are non tidal.
Trangia on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to knighty:

> Yep, I'm planning on climbing there on one of these days. While there are plenty of options around the penwith area, not many are non tidal.

Presumably you know that approaching the zawn pitch (best) of Commando Ridge can be tidal?

Enjoy!
knighty - on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to Trangia:

Yes, but it still has not been confirmed or otherwise whether the main crag face will be 'closed'.
mbh - on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to knighty:

> Yep, I'm planning on climbing there on one of these days. While there are plenty of options around the penwith area, not many are non tidal.

Just stay right there then and look around. Might find something.
Offwidth - on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to Trangia:

You can ab in to pretty much the start of the climbing on pitch 1 at high tide.
Luke90 on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to knighty:

I think a lot of the fighting talk on this thread about defying the filmmaker's request was a bit over the top if they're only asking people to stay off Commando Ridge. Expecting to close the whole of Bosigran would strike me as an entirely different kettle of fish and worthy of a bit of polite defiance.
bpmclimb on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to danm:

> Perhaps they didn't feel the need to go through a formal closure process because they assumed people would be reasonable...

Obviously, given the status and nature of the climb/area, some climbers feel that the lack of such a process, properly publicised with plenty of notice, is in itself unreasonable.
bpmclimb on 19 Jun 2017
In reply to Trangia:

> Lets start with those who have responded to this thread. Were any of you planning to climb or walk at Bosi on or in the vicinity of Commando Ridge on 4th/5th July?

Yes.

In reply to bpmclimb: If you've booked a week's holiday a few months in advance then no, it's not really adequate notice. Nor is it particularly considerate to arrange it during school holidays.
However the ridge isn't a top priority (though it looks fun) so as long as the main crag isn't affected I'm sure we'll manage. With a bit of a grumble.

Simon Caldwell - on 20 Jun 2017
In reply to Offwidth:

> You can ab in to pretty much the start of the climbing on pitch 1 at high tide.

Not always. Last time we were there it was low tide on a windless day, but for some reason the waves were so big that not only could we not walk round to the start (I got soaked when going for a look), but abbing in was also out of the question - we scrambled to the top of the first pitch, and the waves were coming half way up the pitch!
bpmclimb on 20 Jun 2017
In reply to all:

I Emailed Paul Fletcher on 15 June, asking for clarification about the areas he proposes to close to climbers; I also directed him to this thread and suggested he post on here. So far, no reply (and no post).
toad - on 20 Jun 2017
In reply to bpmclimb:
You should post on one of the bushcraft/ survival forums about the opportunity for a meet and greet with Bear on those dates.

But I suspect that the professional advice these days is not to engage with social media as there is limited scope for a positive outcome
barry donovan - on 21 Jun 2017
In reply to Mark Kemball:

' and surrounding areas'
Dell on 21 Jun 2017
In reply to toad:

> You should post on one of the bushcraft/ survival forums about the opportunity for a meet and greet with Bear on those dates.

I'm fairly sure the bushcraft/survival crowd won't want to meet Bear Grylls. Except to take the piss!

bpmclimb on 10:53 Thu
In reply to bpmclimb:

> So far, no reply (and no post).

Update: I have now had a (very courteous) Email from Paul Fletcher. Unfortunately, he isn't any more specific about what "and the surrounding areas" means. I've replied, suggesting that he provide more detail (indicating in particular whether or not Main Face is affected), and both inform the BMC and post on UKC.
Tom Last - on 11:42 Thu
In reply to knighty:

> Yep, I'm planning on climbing there on one of these days. While there are plenty of options around the penwith area, not many are non tidal.

Actually, I reckon I could give you options for about 50 non-tidal climbing areas, if not entirely separate crags in Penwith. I'm playing Devil's advocate a bit since I agree this is pretty unacceptable if they expect folks to stay off the main face, but don't despair, there is a huge amount of non-tidal climbing in Penwith.
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L bettytv - on 10:04 Fri
FILMING NOTICE: ADDENDUM

Friday 23rd June, 2017

To whom it may concern,
betty is recording a TV programme on TUESDAY 4TH JULY – WEDNESDAY 5TH JULY, 2017 on COMMANDO RIDGE (TR20, nr. Bosigran Farm, Cornwall) and the surrounding areas.

Following our original notice on 9th June, we have been in consultation with the land owners and members of the local and national climbing community regarding our filming plans.
The key reason for filming at this location is to highlight the area’s unique military heritage and climbing history, and one of our main considerations is to lessen the inconvenience to the climbing community caused by our filming.
We are currently working on a schedule that will allow for some climbing to take place on parts of the site, whilst we operate on other areas. This schedule shall be shared with stakeholders as soon as possible via posts on websites and forums.

In order to ensure the health and safety of climbers and the film crew, it will be necessary for members of the public to avoid some specified areas at times of operation.
betty would like to reassure all stakeholders and climbers that the preservation of the site is of utmost importance to our team.

If you have any further queries, or if you are planning to climb on those days, please do not hesitate to contact the Line Producer at betty, Paul Fletcher on paul.fletcher@betty.co.uk





JayPee630 - on 11:44 Fri
In reply to bettytv:

Stakeholders?! WTF is one of those?
ed woods - on 11:52 Fri
In reply to JayPee630:

Someone who holds a stake
toad - on 12:02 Fri
In reply to ed woods:

> Someone who holds a stake

Van Helsing?

ed woods - on 12:03 Fri
In reply to toad:

> Van Helsing?

...is one example
bpmclimb on 13:57 Fri
In reply to bettytv:

Thanks for taking the trouble to post an update.
Hopefully, when it's published, the schedule will show Main Face to be unaffected.
Offwidth - on 14:08 Fri
In reply to JayPee630:

How lovely to have no awareness of standard businesses terminology and no access to a web search... must have been a monster of an expedition.

One standard dictionary definition:

"a person with an interest or concern in something, especially a business."

A business definition (more applicable here):

"Stakeholders can affect or be affected by the organization's actions, objectives and policies. Some examples of key stakeholders are creditors, directors, employees, government (and its agencies), owners (shareholders), suppliers, unions, and the community from which the business draws its resources."

FactorXXX - on 14:14 Fri
In reply to JayPee630:

Stakeholders?! WTF is one of those?

https://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.html?id=151718
James Mann - on 19:04 Fri
In reply to bettytv:

Paul,

This seems like a good approach to proceedings. The Commando Cliff Assauly Wing in all its many guises gave much to climbing in West Penwith especially. To celebrate this heritage, and also the jewel in the crown that is Bosigran itself, seems to be a worthy project. You never know, watching at home could be the Cornish climbers of the future just awaiting that bullet of inspiration.

James Mann
Morty - on 19:10 Fri
In reply to ed woods:

> Someone who holds a stake

A belay stake?