In reply to Thrudge:
> I think you're taking an overly literal (and entirely unwarranted) view of what I said. I stated clearly at the outset that Canada was the only western nation I knew of that had written such a law into the statute books.
You said: "I don't have empirical evidence, but I think you're probably right about this. It's not hard to see why this is the case, though. For over a decade now, there has been a global terror campaign conducted with the aim of imposing Islamic law on non-Islamic nations, and it has been quite successful."
Obviously I could read whatever I wanted into that but the logical thing for me to do would be to take your words at face value, that a 'global terror campaign' had been 'quite successful' in imposing 'Islamic law on non-Islamic nations'. Comprehension was never my strongest subject so apologies if what you meant by that is something completely different.
> I then went on to list examples where western nations and media outlets had implemented policies, applied existing laws, or acted in ways *which bow to Islamic blasphemy law*. I really don't know how I could make this clearer.
You could have said that rather than that they'd succeeded in implementing Islamic law, that would definitely have been clearer, I'd have understood what you meant and in some very limited ways I'd have agreed with you.
> Name some countries? I already did - most of western Europe and the USA.
That have implemented Islamic law?
> 'Hate crimes' - in most cases the bleat of the infantile. Bacon is not a 'hate crime' and does not deserve jail. That's a very silly idea.
Bollocks. Try being on the wrong end of one.
> The UK is a country were people are still beaten to death for their otherness? Well, I suppose that's true, but it's a *very* rare phenomena and it is both punishable by law and rigorously prosecuted. Can we say the same of Islamic nations? I think you are aware that we cannot.
Can't think of one I've visited without functioning rule of law and prohibition of murder. Happy to hear of examples.
> ...If a battered wife wishes to complain, her religion, her peers, and her community will compel her to go to a Sharia court rather than a legal one...
You say "the community will compel" like muslims aren't of their sports clubs and work places, of their towns and counties, aren't British. The law of the land exists to protect people from these abuses. I don't deny abuses happen but domestic abuse and the desire to cover it up is not by any stretch confined to religious communities. Plenty more will use religious and other forms of arbitration willingly to settle disputes.
> Indeed they do. Would you care to offer your views on why so very many more spring from Islam than from any other religion?
Killers? I'm not convinced of the premise so I'll pass awaiting evidence.
> Yes, I did know that. This little fantasy is something you've conjured, not I. Quite how you're mapping it onto my comments, I'm not sure.
It was in response to this: "We are losing our liberty to critique ideas, we are losing a cultural identity that is predicated on freedom of thought and expression and religion. We are losing arms, legs, heads and lives to bombers and axemen, and we are losing minds to a totalitarian religion."
> Oh dear. This really is a very weak argument indeed. We are hidden away in an insignificant little corner of the internet, so the risk I am taking is negligible.
The Daily Mail is one of the biggest internet news providers globally and their address is available from google: Associated Newspapers Limited, W8 5TT. Judging by their frequent and inflammatory anti muslim headlines they don't seem cowed.
> The victim card. Sorry, but I'm afraid you're very much behind the times with this one - like the 'racist' grenade, it simply doesn't work any more.
Which is a problem. It's not acceptable for ordinary people to be sworn and spat at, pushed, kicked and beaten for how they dress or what they worship but you dismiss this as 'playing the victim card' like it's trivial, this is the world we've created but we don't have to live its consequences every day.
> Conversely, we can say that it is a common experience for Jews and Christians in Islamic nations.
In some countries, certainly. Surely you're not saying this to imply tit for tat reciprocity is somehow justified?
> Empathy is very useful. Try to put yourself in the position of someone who's been stabbed in the head by a religious nitwit... Then explain how these things are in any way comparable to 'getting a mean look' or name-calling.
They're acts of violence on a continuum, they are in that way comparable. As you're well aware violence against minorities goes far beyond 'dirty looks' still today. I wonder do you think I approve of appalling random brutality in response to the racism and bigotry minorities in Britain suffer? I shan't bother listing a load of non-islamist inspired acts of violence/terror people suffer, I'm sure you're aware there are far too many.
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