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In this modern techhie world I just wonder if it is possible to live and function without a smartphone.
Without one life seems difficult, as so much seems to revolve around their use.
Is life without a smartphone actually possible? Have you living proof?
Without one life seems difficult, as so much seems to revolve around their use.
Is life without a smartphone actually possible? Have you living proof?
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Father in law gets by without one okay.
I get by for 10 days without one when I go on holiday and turn it off.
Father in law gets by without one okay.
I get by for 10 days without one when I go on holiday and turn it off.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I get by fine without one. I do use a PC a fair bit though.
I've even stopped looking at the weather forecast online and gone back to looking at the clouds and my watch barometer, like I used to do before the internet. My forecast is usually as good as the online one for the next 4 to 6 hours !
I get by fine without one. I do use a PC a fair bit though.
I've even stopped looking at the weather forecast online and gone back to looking at the clouds and my watch barometer, like I used to do before the internet. My forecast is usually as good as the online one for the next 4 to 6 hours !
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
My last smartphone was way smarter than me. I found I couldn't use one, or in fact need one.
My last smartphone was way smarter than me. I found I couldn't use one, or in fact need one.
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In reply to Chris Harris:
Me too. Mrs. Abseil has one, but I don't use it - I don't need to. I know what she uses it for, and find that I don't need one myself.
> Never had one.
Me too. Mrs. Abseil has one, but I don't use it - I don't need to. I know what she uses it for, and find that I don't need one myself.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I think it would be possible ...unless you have children. Our school just removed all communication with parents (newsletters, websites, text messages etc) to be replaced by a smart phone app. I thought that was a bit presumptuous as not everyone has or can afford one or knows how to use one. I saw evidence of this on the playground. Apart from that, I think you can live happily without one if you wish to do so!
I think it would be possible ...unless you have children. Our school just removed all communication with parents (newsletters, websites, text messages etc) to be replaced by a smart phone app. I thought that was a bit presumptuous as not everyone has or can afford one or knows how to use one. I saw evidence of this on the playground. Apart from that, I think you can live happily without one if you wish to do so!
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In reply to felt:
Fine with me, I don't need one, unless the school makes all communication based on a smart phone app... as they did. If you don't have it, you won't know about trips/ events / requirements of what needs to be taken to school / homework / etc. Basically you are stuffed ( as a parent). It's all on the app. ...and nowhere else.
Fine with me, I don't need one, unless the school makes all communication based on a smart phone app... as they did. If you don't have it, you won't know about trips/ events / requirements of what needs to be taken to school / homework / etc. Basically you are stuffed ( as a parent). It's all on the app. ...and nowhere else.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I don't have one, but can find that people will send me things which aren't readable with my £20 when new Nokia phone, and I sometimes get lost and have to ask for directions instead of looking on my smart phone, some of the time helped out by people who look on their smart phone.
I'm pondering getting one, but it's nice not to be connected to the internet, a simple phone possibly makes me look around a little bit...
I don't have one, but can find that people will send me things which aren't readable with my £20 when new Nokia phone, and I sometimes get lost and have to ask for directions instead of looking on my smart phone, some of the time helped out by people who look on their smart phone.
I'm pondering getting one, but it's nice not to be connected to the internet, a simple phone possibly makes me look around a little bit...
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
No smart phone, no mobile phone, rarely wear a watch but know when the pub opens. Still alive....... or gone to heaven.
No smart phone, no mobile phone, rarely wear a watch but know when the pub opens. Still alive....... or gone to heaven.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I don't have one, but my wife does, so I'm not completely cut off.
The main problem associated with being without one as far as I'm concerned is if you are going abroad with your vehicle and you use the Dartford Crossing on the way to Dover you will get home and find you've been fined for non payment.
I don't have one, but my wife does, so I'm not completely cut off.
The main problem associated with being without one as far as I'm concerned is if you are going abroad with your vehicle and you use the Dartford Crossing on the way to Dover you will get home and find you've been fined for non payment.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
All these folk on here that smugly declare: "never had one" have never lived
All these folk on here that smugly declare: "never had one" have never lived
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Why would you want to live without the most useful tool in the box? It does so many useful things it's almost a miracle. You just need to be able to use it on your terms and not get obsessed with checking it every free moment.
Why would you want to live without the most useful tool in the box? It does so many useful things it's almost a miracle. You just need to be able to use it on your terms and not get obsessed with checking it every free moment.
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In reply to birdie num num:
Or maybe they are living more for real and less virtually.
I have one, but could easily live without (when my last one died, I went back to a £10 phone from Asda for a year and survived fine - I only got another because I discovered I was due a free upgrade, which I declined in favour of a lighter equivalent one).
> All these folk on here that smugly declare: "never had one" have never lived
Or maybe they are living more for real and less virtually.
I have one, but could easily live without (when my last one died, I went back to a £10 phone from Asda for a year and survived fine - I only got another because I discovered I was due a free upgrade, which I declined in favour of a lighter equivalent one).
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In reply to john arran:
Closest thing we have to an Iain Banks/Culture terminal. A way to go yet though.
https://tinyurl.com/yaasje95
Closest thing we have to an Iain Banks/Culture terminal. A way to go yet though.
https://tinyurl.com/yaasje95
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In reply to Robert Durran:
Pah! You cant snapchat a self destructing image of 'last turkey in the shop' on a £10 Asda phone. What sort of life is that? Sheer misery
Pah! You cant snapchat a self destructing image of 'last turkey in the shop' on a £10 Asda phone. What sort of life is that? Sheer misery
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In reply to john arran:
How's that going for y'all!
It's like that heroin ad in the 80s. . . . 'Just got a bit of a cold!'
> You just need to be able to use it on your terms and not get obsessed with checking it every free moment.
How's that going for y'all!
It's like that heroin ad in the 80s. . . . 'Just got a bit of a cold!'
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In reply to Heike:
You need to communicate very clearly to everyone involved in this decision what total f-----g numpties they are.
Also find out which of the teacher's or local councillor's relatives is a mobile app developer....
This sounds like exactly the kind of pointless app, that just works like a bog standard website, that really annoys me when it's the only option for something.
You need some rage...
You need to communicate very clearly to everyone involved in this decision what total f-----g numpties they are.
Also find out which of the teacher's or local councillor's relatives is a mobile app developer....
This sounds like exactly the kind of pointless app, that just works like a bog standard website, that really annoys me when it's the only option for something.
You need some rage...
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Of course we could live without one but why would anyone choose to?
Our club has been enjoying greater numbers than ever at its meets due to the Facebook group, events and collaborating on meet reports, sharing pictures, tagging individuals etc. It's creating a buzz and getting people involved that normally wouldn't and also attracting newcomers. And that's just social media.
We also rely on weather apps for last minute changes in venue. I log all my climbs on UKC in the pub afterwards on my phone.
In writing this message on my phone. I wouldn't be bothered to fire up a PC and sit at it to read UKC forums.
So if you think you're better than everyone else because you've never had a smartphone, give your head a wobble, maybe you're not so smart.
Of course we could live without one but why would anyone choose to?
Our club has been enjoying greater numbers than ever at its meets due to the Facebook group, events and collaborating on meet reports, sharing pictures, tagging individuals etc. It's creating a buzz and getting people involved that normally wouldn't and also attracting newcomers. And that's just social media.
We also rely on weather apps for last minute changes in venue. I log all my climbs on UKC in the pub afterwards on my phone.
In writing this message on my phone. I wouldn't be bothered to fire up a PC and sit at it to read UKC forums.
So if you think you're better than everyone else because you've never had a smartphone, give your head a wobble, maybe you're not so smart.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I've not got one, despite now working in the sort of job where I'd normally be expected to have one. Not having one gives me more breathing space, as those I work with know I check emails/phone messages only once per day. When I have owned and used a smartphone, I've found it a distraction and a hindrance rather than a useful tool. Yes, at times, it'd be convenient to have all those features on one device at my fingertips, but for me the downsides far outweigh the benefits. Many who own them end up with them permanently in their hand, checking them constantly, even on the table at dinner or "multi-tasking," texting while taking part in a conversation. Lots of the apps and tools are purpose-built to capture one's attention, so it inevitably ends up being a focus of attention more than anyone intends. Food, water and shelter are essential...a smartphone definitely isn't in the same category.
I've not got one, despite now working in the sort of job where I'd normally be expected to have one. Not having one gives me more breathing space, as those I work with know I check emails/phone messages only once per day. When I have owned and used a smartphone, I've found it a distraction and a hindrance rather than a useful tool. Yes, at times, it'd be convenient to have all those features on one device at my fingertips, but for me the downsides far outweigh the benefits. Many who own them end up with them permanently in their hand, checking them constantly, even on the table at dinner or "multi-tasking," texting while taking part in a conversation. Lots of the apps and tools are purpose-built to capture one's attention, so it inevitably ends up being a focus of attention more than anyone intends. Food, water and shelter are essential...a smartphone definitely isn't in the same category.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Interesting thread and I am going to expand on my first post.
As a few others have said, why wouldn't you want one of the most powerful tools in the box available.
My job would be very difficult without one.
I have hundreds of technical manuals on mine for the different machines I look after. (they would fill my van on paper)
A conversion app that I use to convert pressure and flow rates.
A calculator.
A database of the make, model, serial number, kW, spares needed and every job carried out for every machine I look after.
A camera
Email
Mobile Internet (useful for finding info on the odd machine I don't have a book for or as was the case yesterday I was in the field and needed to find a local supplier)
Google maps (sewage works are in spurious locations, once close you can often see them on Google maps)
Multi user calendar app, all my jobs and all my lads jobs and bookings available at the finger tips.
I'm sure I use it for other things too.
Personal life.
Internet access. (mainly forums)
Camera.
Imdb app
An app for a play station game I play.
Occasionally Google map's but if I'm not working I'm on my bike and getting lost on a bike is half the fun.
If I stopped working I would ditch the smart phone tomorrow and just have a small tablet to use at home and a compact camera in my pocket when out but from a work point of view, especially when you run the business from out in the field it's invaluable.
Yes before anyone says it businesses have run for years without smart phones but customer expectations have moved with the technology and if you can't react almost instantly they will move to someone who can.
Interesting thread and I am going to expand on my first post.
As a few others have said, why wouldn't you want one of the most powerful tools in the box available.
My job would be very difficult without one.
I have hundreds of technical manuals on mine for the different machines I look after. (they would fill my van on paper)
A conversion app that I use to convert pressure and flow rates.
A calculator.
A database of the make, model, serial number, kW, spares needed and every job carried out for every machine I look after.
A camera
Mobile Internet (useful for finding info on the odd machine I don't have a book for or as was the case yesterday I was in the field and needed to find a local supplier)
Google maps (sewage works are in spurious locations, once close you can often see them on Google maps)
Multi user calendar app, all my jobs and all my lads jobs and bookings available at the finger tips.
I'm sure I use it for other things too.
Personal life.
Internet access. (mainly forums)
Camera.
Imdb app
An app for a play station game I play.
Occasionally Google map's but if I'm not working I'm on my bike and getting lost on a bike is half the fun.
If I stopped working I would ditch the smart phone tomorrow and just have a small tablet to use at home and a compact camera in my pocket when out but from a work point of view, especially when you run the business from out in the field it's invaluable.
Yes before anyone says it businesses have run for years without smart phones but customer expectations have moved with the technology and if you can't react almost instantly they will move to someone who can.
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In reply to john arran:
Here I go blowing smoke up your arse again. Your a highly intelligent and disciplined chap, and your first line is spot on, but your last ignores the sight of half the world walking around transfixed by the things, just totally disengaged with what is going on around them, because many people are not intelligent nor disciplined.
> Why would you want to live without the most useful tool in the box? It does so many useful things it's almost a miracle. You just need to be able to use it on your terms and not get obsessed with checking it every free moment.
Here I go blowing smoke up your arse again. Your a highly intelligent and disciplined chap, and your first line is spot on, but your last ignores the sight of half the world walking around transfixed by the things, just totally disengaged with what is going on around them, because many people are not intelligent nor disciplined.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
It's fair to say the Corbyn bounce depended on smartphone access for all (young voters).
Well done to all those who manage with a basic phone (or none). I couldn't possibly function without my smartphone. But then I work in IT.
For all that makes me accustomed to technological innovation, as an early adopter holding the original iPhone in my hands is the closest I've ever come to believing in magic.
It's fair to say the Corbyn bounce depended on smartphone access for all (young voters).
Well done to all those who manage with a basic phone (or none). I couldn't possibly function without my smartphone. But then I work in IT.
For all that makes me accustomed to technological innovation, as an early adopter holding the original iPhone in my hands is the closest I've ever come to believing in magic.
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In reply to radddogg:
Come on Rob, that's a bit presumptuous of you. Has anyone above implied they're superior for not having one? Of course they have their uses but personally I find my little Motorola folding job is quite enough to have cluttering my pocket. I don't want to spend half my life worrying where my phone is or having a special piece of equipment to contain it. But I don't think this makes me superior to anyone else, it just makes me a grumpy old dinosaur.
> So if you think you're better than everyone else because you've never had a smartphone, give your head a wobble, maybe you're not so smart.
Come on Rob, that's a bit presumptuous of you. Has anyone above implied they're superior for not having one? Of course they have their uses but personally I find my little Motorola folding job is quite enough to have cluttering my pocket. I don't want to spend half my life worrying where my phone is or having a special piece of equipment to contain it. But I don't think this makes me superior to anyone else, it just makes me a grumpy old dinosaur.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Yes. I have never even had a normal mobile phone never mind a smartphone and I have always managed perfectly well.
> In this modern techhie world I just wonder if it is possible to live and function without a smartphone.
> Without one life seems difficult, as so much seems to revolve around their use.
> Is life without a smartphone actually possible? Have you living proof?
Yes. I have never even had a normal mobile phone never mind a smartphone and I have always managed perfectly well.
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In reply to Heike:
I imagine half the teachers are just as pissed of as you about this! Somebody in the management needs a good talking to.........
> Our school just removed all communication with parents (newsletters, websites, text messages etc) to be replaced by a smart phone app.
I imagine half the teachers are just as pissed of as you about this! Somebody in the management needs a good talking to.........
In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I'm embarrassingly addicted to mine and I'm trying to pluck up the will power to get rid of the f*cking thing.
I'm embarrassingly addicted to mine and I'm trying to pluck up the will power to get rid of the f*cking thing.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I don't have one. I do have, and sometimes use, an old Nokia which has no phone and only telephone/text capability.
We use the old fashioned method using our home phone line. Never goes wrong and always within signal range....
I don't have one. I do have, and sometimes use, an old Nokia which has no phone and only telephone/text capability.
We use the old fashioned method using our home phone line. Never goes wrong and always within signal range....
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In reply to Monkey Puzzle: what do you mean addicted? Strip it of superfluous games, Aps and use it in a disiplined manner. ITS a tool, you're not a slave.
They're excellent tools and very useful - i could live without mine but its quite handy having a phone, camera, GPS, source of weather forecasts, route descriptions and topos , plus a ton of other stuff all in one place. I dont really see the point of bragging you dont have one .
They're excellent tools and very useful - i could live without mine but its quite handy having a phone, camera, GPS, source of weather forecasts, route descriptions and topos , plus a ton of other stuff all in one place. I dont really see the point of bragging you dont have one .
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Have just an old Nokia, often not turned on or even taken. Agree with some that loads of different tools in one smartphone which can be useful (many don't work in no signal areas however). Whats App seems very useful for many clubs.
However feel superior when battery in smartphones runs out, eg after taking pics, and my Nokia is borrowed for vital phone calls to family, coastguards etc.
Have just an old Nokia, often not turned on or even taken. Agree with some that loads of different tools in one smartphone which can be useful (many don't work in no signal areas however). Whats App seems very useful for many clubs.
However feel superior when battery in smartphones runs out, eg after taking pics, and my Nokia is borrowed for vital phone calls to family, coastguards etc.
In reply to Dax H:
The point I am getting at is that at one point I was very anti technology, re smartphones as they tend to destroy conversation.( I think it's rude when you are in the company of others and they spend a lot of time looking at their phone) .
However now having had smartphone for about 3 years I am unsure how I would cope without the convenience of one. I actually understand mobile phone loss anxiety. When I had heard about it a few years ago, my initial reaction was 'what a load of rubbish.' I think differently nowadays.
The point I am getting at is that at one point I was very anti technology, re smartphones as they tend to destroy conversation.( I think it's rude when you are in the company of others and they spend a lot of time looking at their phone) .
However now having had smartphone for about 3 years I am unsure how I would cope without the convenience of one. I actually understand mobile phone loss anxiety. When I had heard about it a few years ago, my initial reaction was 'what a load of rubbish.' I think differently nowadays.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
A smartphone, like much of technology, is an enabler. It can enable you to be more knowledgeable, less lost, more communicative, etc. Or it can enable you to be a right unsociable twonk. It's a choice.
Isn't really fair to blame technology if it's used to ill effect by twonks.
A smartphone, like much of technology, is an enabler. It can enable you to be more knowledgeable, less lost, more communicative, etc. Or it can enable you to be a right unsociable twonk. It's a choice.
Isn't really fair to blame technology if it's used to ill effect by twonks.
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In reply to wbo:
Social media and the internet in general. Mindless scrolling rather than finish the excellent book I haven't touched in days. I know I'm not a slave but it's an addiction.
Social media and the internet in general. Mindless scrolling rather than finish the excellent book I haven't touched in days. I know I'm not a slave but it's an addiction.
In reply to birdie num num:
On the contrary. I am living all the more for not being enslaved by some stupid electronic contraption.
> All these folk on here that smugly declare: "never had one" have never lived
On the contrary. I am living all the more for not being enslaved by some stupid electronic contraption.
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In reply to Rylstone_Cowboy:
Why do people always assume smugness? It's an outgoing I couldn't really afford so I live without it
Why do people always assume smugness? It's an outgoing I couldn't really afford so I live without it
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Of course, most of the world does. More personally I survive without any form of mobile telephone quite happily, as the wonders of modern telecommunications hasn´ t seen fit to actually make a signal available in my home then I have to anyway.
Of course, most of the world does. More personally I survive without any form of mobile telephone quite happily, as the wonders of modern telecommunications hasn´ t seen fit to actually make a signal available in my home then I have to anyway.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
So the answer is obviously yes.
A more interesting question would be whether it makes you happier. Same goes for most things you pay for in fact.
> Is life without a smartphone actually possible?
So the answer is obviously yes.
A more interesting question would be whether it makes you happier. Same goes for most things you pay for in fact.
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In reply to radddogg:
Clubs engaging with smartphones does seem to be a good idea, however I am not so sure. I started a Facebook group for one club so I am no luddite, however IMHO there is a certain essence of a club that maybe being lost due to the transient nature of the smartphone world. It is the world we are heading for, but I am not sure that it is that good. Off climbing now arranged via Facebook within, 2 mins of deciding I wanted to climb.
Clubs engaging with smartphones does seem to be a good idea, however I am not so sure. I started a Facebook group for one club so I am no luddite, however IMHO there is a certain essence of a club that maybe being lost due to the transient nature of the smartphone world. It is the world we are heading for, but I am not sure that it is that good. Off climbing now arranged via Facebook within, 2 mins of deciding I wanted to climb.
In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I don't have a smart phone and apart from it being sometimes a bit difficult to organise social meet ups without Whatsapp, I'm getting along just fine
> In this modern techhie world I just wonder if it is possible to live and function without a smartphone.
> Without one life seems difficult, as so much seems to revolve around their use.
> Is life without a smartphone actually possible? Have you living proof?
I don't have a smart phone and apart from it being sometimes a bit difficult to organise social meet ups without Whatsapp, I'm getting along just fine
In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Got my first smartphone this year and in a way still miss my trusted old Nokia.
Benefits of smartphone
- Email on phone
- Quick and easy to check weather or news headlines online. (and UKC)
- texting is much easier and quicker with a full keyboard.
Downsides
-reduced battery life, probably around halved the standby time.
-Email on phone so needs willpower to ignore
- loosing chunks of my life to messing around on the Internet
- too big to fit into a pocket (and this is a so called compact size)
Got my first smartphone this year and in a way still miss my trusted old Nokia.
Benefits of smartphone
- Email on phone
- Quick and easy to check weather or news headlines online. (and UKC)
- texting is much easier and quicker with a full keyboard.
Downsides
-reduced battery life, probably around halved the standby time.
-Email on phone so needs willpower to ignore
- loosing chunks of my life to messing around on the Internet
- too big to fit into a pocket (and this is a so called compact size)
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I currently have a very old Nokia 6700 despite being given newer models by my service provider.
When the Samsung Note was announced I thought that I had finally found a Smart Phone I had a use for (I tend to carry a notebook and pencils and take lots of notes).
When they turned out to be potential incendiary devices I had to have a re-think. OK perhaps a S7, at least they are waterproof (My Nokia has drowned about 3 times and takes about a week to dry out, each time). But then I found out that they don’t have a FM receiver. Had a look at the Sony Xperia which looks like a nice phone but fundamentally I don’t have any use for one. I’m not into Pokemon nor feel the need to be permanently connected to social media.
I have three laptops ((Works, Windows and Linux) at least one of which is always with me), a semi decent bridge camera and a mobile broadband dongle. Have tried Android on my company supplied Nexus Pad and hate it, as most of the things I really want it to do usually start off with ‘root your device, then…’.
I currently have a very old Nokia 6700 despite being given newer models by my service provider.
When the Samsung Note was announced I thought that I had finally found a Smart Phone I had a use for (I tend to carry a notebook and pencils and take lots of notes).
When they turned out to be potential incendiary devices I had to have a re-think. OK perhaps a S7, at least they are waterproof (My Nokia has drowned about 3 times and takes about a week to dry out, each time). But then I found out that they don’t have a FM receiver. Had a look at the Sony Xperia which looks like a nice phone but fundamentally I don’t have any use for one. I’m not into Pokemon nor feel the need to be permanently connected to social media.
I have three laptops ((Works, Windows and Linux) at least one of which is always with me), a semi decent bridge camera and a mobile broadband dongle. Have tried Android on my company supplied Nexus Pad and hate it, as most of the things I really want it to do usually start off with ‘root your device, then…’.
In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Good question. The answer depends on who you are and what you do.
I am self employed. Without a smartphone I would loose business. Simple as that.
If I worked 9-5 for an employer. Had no interest in finding out what the best cafe/pub/restaurant in a new area was, didn't care for up to date weather forecasts (saving rainy weekends in the west), didn't use online recipes, didn't read news online, didn't want to carry my camera with me everywhere, didn't need help with the crossword when away for a weekend in my camper van, and a thousand an one other very useful things.......Then yes, I could easily live without one.
But why? When you have the world's knowledge, reviews and information at your fingertips only a smug luddite would live without one. It's not all about cats on Facebook.
Good question. The answer depends on who you are and what you do.
I am self employed. Without a smartphone I would loose business. Simple as that.
If I worked 9-5 for an employer. Had no interest in finding out what the best cafe/pub/restaurant in a new area was, didn't care for up to date weather forecasts (saving rainy weekends in the west), didn't use online recipes, didn't read news online, didn't want to carry my camera with me everywhere, didn't need help with the crossword when away for a weekend in my camper van, and a thousand an one other very useful things.......Then yes, I could easily live without one.
But why? When you have the world's knowledge, reviews and information at your fingertips only a smug luddite would live without one. It's not all about cats on Facebook.
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In reply to Jenny C:
That's purely a self discipline thing. Cant blame technology on that.
> - loosing chunks of my life to messing around on the Internet
That's purely a self discipline thing. Cant blame technology on that.
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In reply to estivoautumnal:
'Only a smug Luddite' ? That seems rather sweeping?
I have a none smart phone so I'm not so bothered if it gets broken or stolen ( I keep a record of all my contacts in my email account so that they don't get lost if my phone does). I also know that I'd often be 'checking something' if I had a smart phone (I can have an impulsive/obsessive streak for some things), so a none internet phone means I look around me when out and about instead, and am generally more in the present moment.
I'd probably bug myself with the amount of time I spent on it if I had a smart phone...
> When you have the world's knowledge, reviews and information at your fingertips only a smug luddite would live without one. It's not all about cats on Facebook.
'Only a smug Luddite' ? That seems rather sweeping?
I have a none smart phone so I'm not so bothered if it gets broken or stolen ( I keep a record of all my contacts in my email account so that they don't get lost if my phone does). I also know that I'd often be 'checking something' if I had a smart phone (I can have an impulsive/obsessive streak for some things), so a none internet phone means I look around me when out and about instead, and am generally more in the present moment.
I'd probably bug myself with the amount of time I spent on it if I had a smart phone...
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I have only recently acquired a classic portable.
Whats really smart about smartphones is that they are so compelling - as to make believe they are essential - and thereafter that the latest model is essential - creating untold fashionable redundancy and consumerism. A honeypot for the electronics corps.
In our family the wife succumbed to our 12yr old son's whim to have one (and much against my protests) - his behaviour as adolescent is now (even more) unsociable and unruly as a result. Emotional outbreaks often after 8pm when he's told to leave it on the kitchen table
I have only recently acquired a classic portable.
Whats really smart about smartphones is that they are so compelling - as to make believe they are essential - and thereafter that the latest model is essential - creating untold fashionable redundancy and consumerism. A honeypot for the electronics corps.
In our family the wife succumbed to our 12yr old son's whim to have one (and much against my protests) - his behaviour as adolescent is now (even more) unsociable and unruly as a result. Emotional outbreaks often after 8pm when he's told to leave it on the kitchen table
In reply to john arran:
I don't want one as I have no discipline... a pain in the arse at times but I have never had one and dread the time when current phone dies (will there be non smartphone then?)
Also recently saw something about cobalt mining in Africa and it has motivated me with avoiding multiple devices at home using it (I haven't got a tablet either).
> Why would you want to live without the most useful tool in the box? It does so many useful things it's almost a miracle. You just need to be able to use it on your terms and not get obsessed with checking it every free moment.
I don't want one as I have no discipline... a pain in the arse at times but I have never had one and dread the time when current phone dies (will there be non smartphone then?)
Also recently saw something about cobalt mining in Africa and it has motivated me with avoiding multiple devices at home using it (I haven't got a tablet either).
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I haven't got one, and I manage to survive (and thrive) without being permanently connected and on call.
I haven't got one, and I manage to survive (and thrive) without being permanently connected and on call.
In reply to Rog Wilko:
Hi Roger
Nobody has said that implicitly, no, but the balance of 'likes/dislikes' and comments by people stating they've never had one gave an impression of smugness. Perhaps my barometer is off?!
I understand the concern about the cost/value of a smartphone however my current smartphone was only £100 from Amazon - some are available even cheaper - and it is way smarter than I am!
Regards
Rob
Hi Roger
Nobody has said that implicitly, no, but the balance of 'likes/dislikes' and comments by people stating they've never had one gave an impression of smugness. Perhaps my barometer is off?!
I understand the concern about the cost/value of a smartphone however my current smartphone was only £100 from Amazon - some are available even cheaper - and it is way smarter than I am!
Regards
Rob
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In reply to radddogg:
Presumably you have to pay a contract on top - how much a month is that?
> I understand the concern about the cost/value of a smartphone however my current smartphone was only £100 from Amazon - some are available even cheaper - and it is way smarter than I am!
Presumably you have to pay a contract on top - how much a month is that?
In reply to Chris Harris:
It varies a lot obviously. I pay £7.50 a month, which is probably about the cheapest you can get a call/text/data package, but I haven't checked deals out for a long time, so maybe I'm missing out on something better?
> Presumably you have to pay a contract on top - how much a month is that?
It varies a lot obviously. I pay £7.50 a month, which is probably about the cheapest you can get a call/text/data package, but I haven't checked deals out for a long time, so maybe I'm missing out on something better?
In reply to Chris Harris:
Roger's point was about the value of the device. What has the contract got to do with anything?
Roger's point was about the value of the device. What has the contract got to do with anything?
In reply to Jenny C:
For this you can turn off notifications for emails (and all other messaging apps). This means your phone is silent, and you can manually refresh emails when you want to. Today for example I haven't checked my phone for about 8 hours because I wanted to get work done.
> -Email on phone so needs willpower to ignore
For this you can turn off notifications for emails (and all other messaging apps). This means your phone is silent, and you can manually refresh emails when you want to. Today for example I haven't checked my phone for about 8 hours because I wanted to get work done.
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In reply to john arran:
"A smartphone, like much of technology, is an enabler. It can enable you to be more knowledgeable..."
100% agree. For example this morning I was reading a new book on the tube (Winter in Madrid - CJ Sansom) which assumes you have some knowledge of the Spanish Civil War (I have very little). As I came across terms I was not very familiar with, a quick google on my phone had the answer in a couple of seconds. Makes for a much more rewarding read.
Also, since I went large (Iphone7 plus), the ipads in the house have become virtually redundant
"A smartphone, like much of technology, is an enabler. It can enable you to be more knowledgeable..."
100% agree. For example this morning I was reading a new book on the tube (Winter in Madrid - CJ Sansom) which assumes you have some knowledge of the Spanish Civil War (I have very little). As I came across terms I was not very familiar with, a quick google on my phone had the answer in a couple of seconds. Makes for a much more rewarding read.
Also, since I went large (Iphone7 plus), the ipads in the house have become virtually redundant
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