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If that is what it's going to take to stop Brexit and save the UK and the NHS.
I hate to say it but the NHS should all go on strike for a day.
Yes, people will die.
If the Trade off of democracy is simply a pay off, to keep power, how else can you topple the regime?
Harsh but true. I'd rather see the country brought to it's knees now, before things get worse.
From the bottom, the only way is up.
I hate to say it but the NHS should all go on strike for a day.
Yes, people will die.
If the Trade off of democracy is simply a pay off, to keep power, how else can you topple the regime?
Harsh but true. I'd rather see the country brought to it's knees now, before things get worse.
From the bottom, the only way is up.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I suspect you've cut and pasted there, with the line gaps
The 70s were f*cking ace
I suspect you've cut and pasted there, with the line gaps
The 70s were f*cking ace
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
If we can also reduce the population and life expectancy's to 1970's levels as well then things should work out fine.
If we can also reduce the population and life expectancy's to 1970's levels as well then things should work out fine.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
You really are quite disturbed aren't you? (Either that, or you're doing a superb impression of the sort of left wing loon who Momentum give succor to.)
You don't seem to care if people die, as long as your fantasies are fulfilled, nice one son.
Be careful what you wish for;
The Winter of Discontent refers to the winter of 1978–79 in the United Kingdom, during which there were widespread strikes by public sector trade unions demanding larger pay rises, following the ongoing pay caps of the Labour Party government led by James Callaghan against Trades Union Congress opposition to control inflation, during the coldest winter for 16 years.
The strikes were a result of the Labour government's attempt to control inflation by a forced departure from their social contract with the unions by imposing rules on the public sector that pay rises be kept below 5%, to control inflation in itself and as an example to the private sector. However, some employees' unions conducted their negotiations within mutually agreed limits above this limit with employers.
In the summer before the Winter of Discontent, the minority Labour government's fortunes in the opinion polls had been improving and suggested that they could gain an overall majority in the event of a general election being held. Conservative Party leader Margaret Thatcher had already outlined her proposals for restricting trade union power in a party political broadcast on 17 January in the middle of the lorry drivers' strike. During the election campaign the
Conservative Party made extensive use of the disruption caused during the strike. One broadcast on 23 April began with the Sun's headline "Crisis? What Crisis?" being shown and read out by an increasingly desperate voiceover interspersed with film footage of piles of rubbish, closed factories, picketed hospitals and locked graveyards. The scale of the Conservatives' victory in the general election has often been ascribed to the effect of the strikes, as well as their Labour Isn't Working campaign, and the party used film of the events of the winter in election campaigns for years to come.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent
The only thing good about the 70's was the music, them were the days...
You really are quite disturbed aren't you? (Either that, or you're doing a superb impression of the sort of left wing loon who Momentum give succor to.)
You don't seem to care if people die, as long as your fantasies are fulfilled, nice one son.
Be careful what you wish for;
The Winter of Discontent refers to the winter of 1978–79 in the United Kingdom, during which there were widespread strikes by public sector trade unions demanding larger pay rises, following the ongoing pay caps of the Labour Party government led by James Callaghan against Trades Union Congress opposition to control inflation, during the coldest winter for 16 years.
The strikes were a result of the Labour government's attempt to control inflation by a forced departure from their social contract with the unions by imposing rules on the public sector that pay rises be kept below 5%, to control inflation in itself and as an example to the private sector. However, some employees' unions conducted their negotiations within mutually agreed limits above this limit with employers.
In the summer before the Winter of Discontent, the minority Labour government's fortunes in the opinion polls had been improving and suggested that they could gain an overall majority in the event of a general election being held. Conservative Party leader Margaret Thatcher had already outlined her proposals for restricting trade union power in a party political broadcast on 17 January in the middle of the lorry drivers' strike. During the election campaign the
Conservative Party made extensive use of the disruption caused during the strike. One broadcast on 23 April began with the Sun's headline "Crisis? What Crisis?" being shown and read out by an increasingly desperate voiceover interspersed with film footage of piles of rubbish, closed factories, picketed hospitals and locked graveyards. The scale of the Conservatives' victory in the general election has often been ascribed to the effect of the strikes, as well as their Labour Isn't Working campaign, and the party used film of the events of the winter in election campaigns for years to come.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent
The only thing good about the 70's was the music, them were the days...
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In reply to Lusk:
More likely that he's COPIED and pasted, unless there is some method of leaving holes in the Internet where text used to be
> I suspect you've cut and pasted there,
More likely that he's COPIED and pasted, unless there is some method of leaving holes in the Internet where text used to be
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In reply to pasbury:
Bit earlier than that, I think. Back to the days when a quarter of the atlas was pink.
> I think taking us back to the Seventies is the actual plan with Brexit.
Bit earlier than that, I think. Back to the days when a quarter of the atlas was pink.
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In reply to Blue Straggler:
More likely that he's COPIED and pasted, unless there is some method of leaving holes in the Internet where text used to be
Lusk made a mistake in his terminology, but you'd have to be a pedant of epic proportions to highlight that in the course of a thread where the actual meaning was obvious.
More likely that he's COPIED and pasted, unless there is some method of leaving holes in the Internet where text used to be
Lusk made a mistake in his terminology, but you'd have to be a pedant of epic proportions to highlight that in the course of a thread where the actual meaning was obvious.
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In reply to Big Ger:
I don't normally agree with you but this time yes. But, the climbing was pretty good too.
Lightweight guidebooks and rack, no worries about what rock boots to buy. Quiet crags. Lakeland crags were clean. No worries about having beta. The top grades could be aspired to. etc.
I don't normally agree with you but this time yes. But, the climbing was pretty good too.
Lightweight guidebooks and rack, no worries about what rock boots to buy. Quiet crags. Lakeland crags were clean. No worries about having beta. The top grades could be aspired to. etc.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I hate to say this but perhaps we do need to re-experience the 70's for while.
The lesson of the last election is that a couple of generations have grown up without ever experiencing socialism and therefore have no knowledge of how apallingly bad it is and a lot of other people seem to have forgotten and consequently bought into the delusional fantasies of Corbyn and Co.
Remember what happened the last time we had a truly left wing Labour government, we ended up with 18 years of the Conservatives and when Labour finally did get back in they had ditched the loony left nonsense, so a win win really
Perhaps a small dose of 70's 'nostalgia' is what is needed to bring us back to our senses.
I hate to say this but perhaps we do need to re-experience the 70's for while.
The lesson of the last election is that a couple of generations have grown up without ever experiencing socialism and therefore have no knowledge of how apallingly bad it is and a lot of other people seem to have forgotten and consequently bought into the delusional fantasies of Corbyn and Co.
Remember what happened the last time we had a truly left wing Labour government, we ended up with 18 years of the Conservatives and when Labour finally did get back in they had ditched the loony left nonsense, so a win win really
Perhaps a small dose of 70's 'nostalgia' is what is needed to bring us back to our senses.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Some might argue that the electorate had the chance to do that by embracing John McDonnell as the Marxist Chancellor of a new Unison-Unite led government. It seems that even the prospect of 5 years under a completely toxic Tory party running the worst campaign in history couldn't bring that about.
Some might argue that the electorate had the chance to do that by embracing John McDonnell as the Marxist Chancellor of a new Unison-Unite led government. It seems that even the prospect of 5 years under a completely toxic Tory party running the worst campaign in history couldn't bring that about.
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In reply to pec:
Spot on.
The trouble is that the Conservatives have been lurching too far to the right thus driving people to believe in the loony left's fantasy promises. Austerity has become a Sacred Cow, too much far too quickly, there was bound to be a reaction against it, but they have been too arrogant to recognise this.
I don't know if this has already been posted on another tread?
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-book-of-jeremy-corbyn
> The lesson of the last election is that a couple of generations have grown up without ever experiencing socialism and therefore have no knowledge of how apallingly bad it is and a lot of other people seem to have forgotten and consequently bought into the delusional fantasies of Corbyn and Co.
Spot on.
The trouble is that the Conservatives have been lurching too far to the right thus driving people to believe in the loony left's fantasy promises. Austerity has become a Sacred Cow, too much far too quickly, there was bound to be a reaction against it, but they have been too arrogant to recognise this.
I don't know if this has already been posted on another tread?
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-book-of-jeremy-corbyn
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In reply to Trangia:
And yet next to no one voted for the centrist party whose balanced manifesto featured the most acclaimed tax policy and the highest NHS budget!!
> Spot on.
> The trouble is that the Conservatives have been lurching too far to the right thus driving people to believe in the loony left's fantasy promises. Austerity has become a Sacred Cow, too much far too quickly, there was bound to be a reaction against it, but they have been too arrogant to recognise this.
And yet next to no one voted for the centrist party whose balanced manifesto featured the most acclaimed tax policy and the highest NHS budget!!
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In reply to BnB:
I know! It seemed unbelievable. The Lib/Dems were faced with an open goal but still missed it by miles.
> And yet next to no one voted for the centrist party whose balanced manifesto featured the most acclaimed tax policy and the highest NHS budget!!
I know! It seemed unbelievable. The Lib/Dems were faced with an open goal but still missed it by miles.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
By an election perhaps?
Like the one we just had, in which 85% voted for parties with pro-Brexit manifestos.
> If that is what it's going to take to stop Brexit and save the UK ... [...] ... how else can you topple the regime?
By an election perhaps?
Like the one we just had, in which 85% voted for parties with pro-Brexit manifestos.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Any one know how a modem tv, monitor would cope if the power drops like it did in the good olde 70s? The great times of missing school because of yet another teachers strike, I'm sure my parents were thrilled to be stuck at home without pay doing child care.
Any one know how a modem tv, monitor would cope if the power drops like it did in the good olde 70s? The great times of missing school because of yet another teachers strike, I'm sure my parents were thrilled to be stuck at home without pay doing child care.
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In reply to BnB:
30 years a brain washing, people still think you can have something for Nothing (or next to nothing ).
> And yet next to no one voted for the centrist party whose balanced manifesto featured the most acclaimed tax policy and the highest NHS budget!!
30 years a brain washing, people still think you can have something for Nothing (or next to nothing ).
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In reply to Coel Hellier:
In the meantime... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/02/remain-wou...
In the meantime... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/02/remain-wou...
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In reply to BnB:
It's called FPTP.
> And yet next to no one voted for the centrist party whose balanced manifesto featured the most acclaimed tax policy and the highest NHS budget!!
It's called FPTP.
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In reply to summo:
What was the event that started this brainwashing in 1987?
> 30 years a brain washing, people still think you can have something for Nothing (or next to nothing ).
What was the event that started this brainwashing in 1987?
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In reply to Big Ger:
What people forget is just how much power unions had in the. 70s compared with today. Even if the labour party win an election they will have to repeal or rewrite an awful lot of laws banning union actions and an awful lot of people will have to join unions AND those people haven't been used to going on strike at the drop of a shop steward's flat cap.
What people forget is just how much power unions had in the. 70s compared with today. Even if the labour party win an election they will have to repeal or rewrite an awful lot of laws banning union actions and an awful lot of people will have to join unions AND those people haven't been used to going on strike at the drop of a shop steward's flat cap.
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In reply to ian caton:
Was that because of acid rain though? That is why many think gritstone is now greener than in the past.
> Lakeland crags were clean.
Was that because of acid rain though? That is why many think gritstone is now greener than in the past.
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In reply to elsewhere:
I was not being precise, it's more gradual. Health Education, infrastructure etc.. has advanced, become more high tech and more costly per person, but year on year personal taxes have decreased, because on average people have voted for it.
> What was the event that started this brainwashing in 1987?
I was not being precise, it's more gradual. Health Education, infrastructure etc.. has advanced, become more high tech and more costly per person, but year on year personal taxes have decreased, because on average people have voted for it.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
The rosy 70's and joys of a buying a house with interest rates in the 12 - 14%, life was all so much better and easier then.
The rosy 70's and joys of a buying a house with interest rates in the 12 - 14%, life was all so much better and easier then.
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In reply to Moley:
For those of us who have paid off our mortgages and have a bit in the bank, 12-14% interest rates are an aspirational target
JW
> The rosy 70's and joys of a buying a house with interest rates in the 12 - 14%, life was all so much better and easier then.
For those of us who have paid off our mortgages and have a bit in the bank, 12-14% interest rates are an aspirational target
JW
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In reply to John Ww:
Yes, they would be great for us now and just imagine the stick the younger generation could give us oldies, everything is already our fault and if we managed to get interest rates back up to 15% (and more) they would probably lynch us!
> For those of us who have paid off our mortgages and have a bit in the bank, 12-14% interest rates are an aspirational target
> JW
Yes, they would be great for us now and just imagine the stick the younger generation could give us oldies, everything is already our fault and if we managed to get interest rates back up to 15% (and more) they would probably lynch us!
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In reply to RomTheBear:
Given the amount the polls shifted within six weeks in the recent general election, I don't think we can really predict the outcome of a second Brexit referendum.
When Cameron called the first one the polls showed a clear lead for "remain". That closed over the campaign.
> In the meantime...
Given the amount the polls shifted within six weeks in the recent general election, I don't think we can really predict the outcome of a second Brexit referendum.
When Cameron called the first one the polls showed a clear lead for "remain". That closed over the campaign.
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In reply to Blue Straggler:
Might have left an Internet wormhole back to the 70's
> More likely that he's COPIED and pasted, unless there is some method of leaving holes in the Internet where text used to be
Might have left an Internet wormhole back to the 70's
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Basic rate tax at 33%.
That's a 16% pay cut for everyone. Could result in some interesting behavioural changes.
Basic rate tax at 33%.
That's a 16% pay cut for everyone. Could result in some interesting behavioural changes.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Dreary socialist politics aside, I'd really like to see Ziggy Stardust live.
Dreary socialist politics aside, I'd really like to see Ziggy Stardust live.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
This thread should be a "must read" for those here that think "boomers had it easy".
I'd add in the appalling H&S conditions back then. During my 4 year apprenticeship there were 3 workplace fatalities, and over dozen limb/digit/sight losses in our foundry. One death too horrible to contemplate.
This thread should be a "must read" for those here that think "boomers had it easy".
I'd add in the appalling H&S conditions back then. During my 4 year apprenticeship there were 3 workplace fatalities, and over dozen limb/digit/sight losses in our foundry. One death too horrible to contemplate.
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In reply to summo:
I blame Dire Straits.
LD
> 30 years a brain washing, people still think you can have something for Nothing (or next to nothing ).
I blame Dire Straits.
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In reply to Big Ger:
The point I making is that this government is taking the piss out of people.
No cut and paste.
I don't want a private NHS. Do the kids of today?
I don't want a DUP bribe.
I don't want trident.
I don't want HS2.
I don't want Brexit.
I don't want zero hours contracts
I don't want tax evasion of multinationals or private individuals.
Get it?
If the NHS went on strike for a day, the government might fall, and give JC a chance, I'm sure it won't be any worse than TM, who I don't think won't last long. And the Jokers in the queue are comedians, not leaders.
The point I making is that this government is taking the piss out of people.
No cut and paste.
I don't want a private NHS. Do the kids of today?
I don't want a DUP bribe.
I don't want trident.
I don't want HS2.
I don't want Brexit.
I don't want zero hours contracts
I don't want tax evasion of multinationals or private individuals.
Get it?
If the NHS went on strike for a day, the government might fall, and give JC a chance, I'm sure it won't be any worse than TM, who I don't think won't last long. And the Jokers in the queue are comedians, not leaders.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I hate to say it but the NHS should all go on strike for a day.
Yes, people will die.
If the NHS went on strike for a day, the government might fall, and give JC a chance, I'm sure it won't be any worse than TM, who I don't think won't last long. And the Jokers in the queue are comedians, not leaders.
How many people are you willing to sacrifice to achieve your aim?
I hate to say it but the NHS should all go on strike for a day.
Yes, people will die.
If the NHS went on strike for a day, the government might fall, and give JC a chance, I'm sure it won't be any worse than TM, who I don't think won't last long. And the Jokers in the queue are comedians, not leaders.
How many people are you willing to sacrifice to achieve your aim?
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Fact of the matter is that the government is voted for by the electorate.
All your stamping of your feet and throwing your toys out of the pram, (including demands that other people take action resulting in death and disability,) will not change a damn thing.
Your posts do provide amusement though, so don't stop doing them.
Fact of the matter is that the government is voted for by the electorate.
All your stamping of your feet and throwing your toys out of the pram, (including demands that other people take action resulting in death and disability,) will not change a damn thing.
Your posts do provide amusement though, so don't stop doing them.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Is that democracy, or a union dictatorship? Or some new kind Union leader communism. If it happens, do the unions then vote to appoint new PMs in the UK?
Plus a little hypocritical when a few doctors striked a while ago, Labour were all over it, about it risking lives etc..?
> If the NHS went on strike for a day, the government might fall, and give JC a chance,
Is that democracy, or a union dictatorship? Or some new kind Union leader communism. If it happens, do the unions then vote to appoint new PMs in the UK?
Plus a little hypocritical when a few doctors striked a while ago, Labour were all over it, about it risking lives etc..?
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In reply to Big Ger:
No, it isn't.
> Fact of the matter is that the government is voted for by the electorate.
No, it isn't.
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Remind me again who was elected in the 1970's.......Margaret Thatcher( 1979)....as the elctorate were so hacked off with the previous 70's governments.
Be careful what you wish for.......and know your history !
Remind me again who was elected in the 1970's.......Margaret Thatcher( 1979)....as the elctorate were so hacked off with the previous 70's governments.
Be careful what you wish for.......and know your history !
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
You would need a general election, that Labour won (or at least were the largest party) for JC to get a chance. If you possibly think that he could be PM with the current parliament then you are living in fantasy land. He'd need to do a coalition (or some kind of agreement) with everybody except the Conservatives but including the DUP FFS!
> If the NHS went on strike for a day, the government might fall, and give JC a chance,
You would need a general election, that Labour won (or at least were the largest party) for JC to get a chance. If you possibly think that he could be PM with the current parliament then you are living in fantasy land. He'd need to do a coalition (or some kind of agreement) with everybody except the Conservatives but including the DUP FFS!
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In reply to The Ice Doctor:
Evidence suggests the opposite, as it goes, at least for doctors: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18849101
> I hate to say it but the NHS should all go on strike for a day.
> Yes, people will die.
Evidence suggests the opposite, as it goes, at least for doctors: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18849101
In reply to johnjohn:
Don't let the Tories see this, they'll take as a green light to get rid of all the doctors.
> Evidence suggests the opposite, as it goes, at least for doctors: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18849101
Don't let the Tories see this, they'll take as a green light to get rid of all the doctors.
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In reply to pec:
Only in a small way though. Everyone hankering back to the 70s should be forced to drive a beige Morris Marina with only a 'Best of the Sweet' cassette for entertainment
> I hate to say this but perhaps we do need to re-experience the 70's for while.
Only in a small way though. Everyone hankering back to the 70s should be forced to drive a beige Morris Marina with only a 'Best of the Sweet' cassette for entertainment
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In reply to John Ww:
Not really John.
We were certainly skint back then,( first mortgage was in 1979) and the family helped us out.
Now , as you say I have long paid off the mortgage, and retired relying on investments, but I have 3 children all with mortgages that should the interest rates did shoot up again, I would need to help more financially , so I may actually be worse off with higher rates.
> For those of us who have paid off our mortgages and have a bit in the bank, 12-14% interest rates are an aspirational target
> JW
Not really John.
We were certainly skint back then,( first mortgage was in 1979) and the family helped us out.
Now , as you say I have long paid off the mortgage, and retired relying on investments, but I have 3 children all with mortgages that should the interest rates did shoot up again, I would need to help more financially , so I may actually be worse off with higher rates.
In reply to RomTheBear:
> (In reply to Big Ger:
Fact of the matter is that the government is voted for by the electorate. ) >
Go on then, in Rom fantasy land who does elect the government?
> (In reply to Big Ger:
Fact of the matter is that the government is voted for by the electorate. ) >
> No, it isn't. >
Go on then, in Rom fantasy land who does elect the government?
In reply to The Ice Doctor:
I don't want the country to be governed by the whim of spoilt brats.
If its so bad why don't you p*$$ off and live somewhere else while you still can?
> I don't want . . . . . I don't want . . . . . I don't want >
I don't want the country to be governed by the whim of spoilt brats.
If its so bad why don't you p*$$ off and live somewhere else while you still can?
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In reply to pec:
Oh don't get him started...
> Go on then, in Rom fantasy land who does elect the government?
Oh don't get him started...
In reply to pec:
I didn't think any of his don't wants were unreasonable. I don't see why you think they are the whims of a spoilt brat.
Do you want a private NHS? Why? It is still one of the most cost-effective universal health care schemes in the world. Much cheaper than the US model.
Do you want Trident? There's a pretty strong argument for replacing a nuclear deterrent with a larger conventional armed force, given the nature of potential conflicts. A nuclear war anywhere in the world is going to be bad for all of us.
Do you want HS2? Even as a regular train user, I'm not sure I see the need.
Do you want Brexit? A lot of people don't. It's not a controversial PoV. Or the view of a spoiled brat.
Do you want zero hours contracts? For most, they are an exploitative means of employment.
Do you want companies or individuals to evade tax? Or even avoid paying their fair share of tax? As a taxpayer, I don't think it's fair that others should get away with it. Do you? Or are you the sort who doesn't believe in having any State infrastructure, or any tax?
I didn't think any of his don't wants were unreasonable. I don't see why you think they are the whims of a spoilt brat.
Do you want a private NHS? Why? It is still one of the most cost-effective universal health care schemes in the world. Much cheaper than the US model.
Do you want Trident? There's a pretty strong argument for replacing a nuclear deterrent with a larger conventional armed force, given the nature of potential conflicts. A nuclear war anywhere in the world is going to be bad for all of us.
Do you want HS2? Even as a regular train user, I'm not sure I see the need.
Do you want Brexit? A lot of people don't. It's not a controversial PoV. Or the view of a spoiled brat.
Do you want zero hours contracts? For most, they are an exploitative means of employment.
Do you want companies or individuals to evade tax? Or even avoid paying their fair share of tax? As a taxpayer, I don't think it's fair that others should get away with it. Do you? Or are you the sort who doesn't believe in having any State infrastructure, or any tax?
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In reply to Big Ger:
It can seem like the current government wasn't voted for by enough of the electorate, wouldn't you say, since they've had to pay (bribe) the DUP to support them?
If Labour or the Greens etc had done similar, I'd be saying the same about them too.
> Fact of the matter is that the government is voted for by the electorate.
> All your stamping of your feet and throwing your toys out of the pram, (including demands that other people take action resulting in death and disability,) will not change a damn thing.
> Your posts do provide amusement though, so don't stop doing them.
It can seem like the current government wasn't voted for by enough of the electorate, wouldn't you say, since they've had to pay (bribe) the DUP to support them?
If Labour or the Greens etc had done similar, I'd be saying the same about them too.
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In reply to Coel Hellier:
Likely because our utterly dysfunctional electoral system meant voting for smaller parties opposing brexit would in many seats have effectively endorsed the tory's nightmare vision for it.
jk
> By an election perhaps?
> Like the one we just had, in which 85% voted for parties with pro-Brexit manifestos.
> Like the one we just had, in which 85% voted for parties with pro-Brexit manifestos.
Likely because our utterly dysfunctional electoral system meant voting for smaller parties opposing brexit would in many seats have effectively endorsed the tory's nightmare vision for it.
jk
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In reply to Timmd:
Even if they had gone with Greens etc they'd still be short of a majority.
As for back to the 70,s you had to live through it to understand the dire consequences that took decades to overcome
Cap in hand to IMF
£25 limit on taking money out of country
3 day working week
Record days lost through strikes
No electricity for long periods sat at home in dark
Unburied dead
Rubbish piled up in streets
Closed shop at work against human rights
Do we really want to to go back to this and unlike most shouty posters I worked in the mines and steel rolling mills and know what utter shit the country was in
Even if they had gone with Greens etc they'd still be short of a majority.
As for back to the 70,s you had to live through it to understand the dire consequences that took decades to overcome
Cap in hand to IMF
£25 limit on taking money out of country
3 day working week
Record days lost through strikes
No electricity for long periods sat at home in dark
Unburied dead
Rubbish piled up in streets
Closed shop at work against human rights
Do we really want to to go back to this and unlike most shouty posters I worked in the mines and steel rolling mills and know what utter shit the country was in
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In reply to rocksol:
If they'd gone with anybody and paid them money, I'd see it as grubby.
I think the country is a very different place, now, to what it was in the 70's, the ability of the unions to call strikes is much weaker, and the power grid is different. When it comes to workers right, I fear that Brexit could be take us back to an earlier time, and that If the city can't be protected during Brexit, that that could weaken the economy so we have harsher times ahead.
> Even if they had gone with Greens etc they'd still be short of a majority.
If they'd gone with anybody and paid them money, I'd see it as grubby.
> As for back to the 70,s you had to live through it to understand the dire consequences that took decades to overcome
> Cap in hand to IMF
> £25 limit on taking money out of country
> 3 day working week
> Record days lost through strikes
> No electricity for long periods sat at home in dark
> Unburied dead
> Rubbish piled up in streets
> Closed shop at work against human rights
> Do we really want to to go back to this and unlike most shouty posters I worked in the mines and steel rolling mills and know what utter shit the country was in
> £25 limit on taking money out of country
> 3 day working week
> Record days lost through strikes
> No electricity for long periods sat at home in dark
> Unburied dead
> Rubbish piled up in streets
> Closed shop at work against human rights
> Do we really want to to go back to this and unlike most shouty posters I worked in the mines and steel rolling mills and know what utter shit the country was in
I think the country is a very different place, now, to what it was in the 70's, the ability of the unions to call strikes is much weaker, and the power grid is different. When it comes to workers right, I fear that Brexit could be take us back to an earlier time, and that If the city can't be protected during Brexit, that that could weaken the economy so we have harsher times ahead.
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Oh I agree. But I still do not think sacrificing the lives of the old and ill, as the lunatic OP would have us do, is the way to rectify that.
Fair play.
> It can seem like the current government wasn't voted for by enough of the electorate, wouldn't you say, since they've had to pay (bribe) the DUP to support them?
Oh I agree. But I still do not think sacrificing the lives of the old and ill, as the lunatic OP would have us do, is the way to rectify that.
> If Labour or the Greens etc had done similar, I'd be saying the same about them too.
Fair play.
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